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Having just started reading "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins....Ive been itchin for a friendly dicussion (read: argument:boxing5: :U ) on the value of religion...but you all seem to have the view point I do.....bummer :shrug: . Where's a Morman when ya need one :whistling2:
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The problem is that you can never win. Especially with these creationist, world is only 10,000 yrs old type wackos that take the bible literally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown Dog
Logic, reasoning and scientific empirical evidence have nothing to do with it. They either ignore all your points, or they just say 'God made it so'.
It's like talking to a brick wall. :banghead:
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Originally Posted by pawnhead
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We've got plenty. I'd start with Salt Lake City. That's where the Queen Bee lays her eggs. :wink: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown Dog
Is that where they get their magic underpants too ?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Honorary Bloke
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What ever happend to Funkychicken:?
I think he escaped the chook house. :D Maybe it's Meringandan. Is there something in the water up there? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lignum
Its whats in the water thats sprinkled on the Mushrooms:-Quote:
Originally Posted by Honorary Bloke
Isn't taking drugs frowned upon by all religions? I think someone forgot to tell FC shhhhhh
It is pointless to debate with someone about whether or not their invisible friend is real. All the logic and science in the world wont help you. Their belief hinges upon their faith that he exists despite all evidence to the contrary, so it is an argument that cannot be won, because there is no way you can prove that he does not exist.Quote:
The problem is that you can never win.
The creationists expend a lot of energy on debunking the theory of evolution and others. Even if they can come up with convincing proof that a theory is wrong, all that proves is that theory is wrong, it doesn't prove that their invisible friend exists.
So neither side of the argument can ever win (unless he comes down here and sets us straight). Therefore you're wasting your energy debating it.
Yeah ok pull the other one:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
If debate was a waste of energy, then why do we log on here? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by silentC
On the other hand, the bigotry shown by many of the detractors on this thread never ceases to amaze me. I sometimes wonder if they express themselves so strongly because they are afraid that maybe there may be something in this "faith" business.
Read some of the responses objectively and ask who the zealots are.
Are they the one(s) who are promoting a particular line of religious thought?
Or are they the ones who so ferociously want those stamped out?
The bottom line to me is that in this country I have a right to believe as I wish, and I respect the fact that others believe differently, but I am bemused by the intolerance of the bigots on both sides! Just what are they afraid of?
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I didn't say debate was a waste of energy, just this one. Besides, it's against the rules :no:
But like I always say, if the tree you're hiding behind is too small, get a bigger one :p
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Originally Posted by bitingmidge
Very well said. I think its the anonymity of an internet forum that makes us all a little more prone to forget our usual social manners from time to time.... Well actually there are some here that hide behind this anonymity to express their truelly bigotted beliefs..... but... it is a public forum so a religous bigot has the right to express themself as does the etheist bigot.
I just wish someone should blow up all bigots.. painful deaths to every last one of them:D
À la masse d'en de discussion peut-être? :rolleyes: (cryptic)Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
I thought you weren't gonna post in this thread? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
At the end of the day I normally keep my religious opinions to myself, each to their own and all that......However this lad/lady demanded a call to action because in his/her words
"The media has us believe that things like sex before marriage, abortion etc. are a win/win situation. The reality is that they’re not. They only contribute to the growing number of eating-disorders, self-harm and depression".
Which in itself is, I believe, an outrageous display of bigotry. And therefore opened him/her up for merciless ridicule. And ergo rather than stick the slipper into the "call to arms" I chose to mock the ridiculous signature. This is nothing I wouldn't say to someone face to face, if they served up the same sort of emotive tripe as this one did. I mean how many people do you know walk around prefacing everything they say with a quote from Revelations?
I am reading it too. Also bought The Ancestor's Tale and am sort of reading them in parallel. What I don't get is how supremely educated people can take completely different positions (putting the Pope one side and Dawkins the other). I mean, logically, they can't both be correct and the evidence for a billion years of evolution seems more compelling than the men on the white horses.... Perhaps it is a case of a bob each way (don't mean you, Hon. Bob) but religion sure has a lot to answer for, including in my case a lot of Sunday mornings.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown Dog
Today, we are going to make a stand. However, before we use any power tools, let’s talk about shop safety….:D
Never use a petard near your hoist. :2tsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wongo
Wongo,Quote:
Originally Posted by Wongo
You have been watching far too much American TV. This is just the sort of thing that leads to the degradation of women. When did you ever see a woman on Norm Abrams' program? It's shocking, and something ought to be done about it. We have been silent for far too long.
Rocker
I'll admit I had to look that up. But good advice none the less Cliff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers
Oh and in my opinion FC is spouting a lot rubbish but if you don't agree with him then ignore him. He certainly knows how to bait a hook though:doh:
This raises an interesting point. Who decides who the bigots are, and when does that person then fit the description of being a bigot themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by wikipedia
What I'm getting at is, bitingmidge suggests some of the detractors of FC's initial post are bigots, but in so doing he himself displays a level of intolerance towards those detractors. (no midge, I'm not calling you a bigot :D )
Ultimately, we are all potential bigots, even the most broad minded of us have a limit. At some point, the 'disagree but respect your right' position runs out of legs...
woodbe.
I'm not a bigot. I hate everyone equally.Quote:
On the other hand, the bigotry shown by many of the detractors on this thread never ceases to amaze me.
Hence my suggestion ...we should blow up all bigots!:D
The only downside of this is that it would leave only non bigots alive....
They could sit around and think pure thoughts... and everything would be just peachy.................sounds like heaven.:rolleyes:
Theres no heated discussions, no differences of opinion in heaven.... they must give you a frontal lobotomy as you're passing through those gates:oo:
Its official BT is Ted Bullpit.....:q:q:UQuote:
Originally Posted by Bleedin Thumb
I thought it was a Monty python line............don't tell me I've been quoting Ted Bullpit!!!!!!!!! :club:
Rocker,Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocker
The fact that you've never seen a woman on Norm's Show doesn't mean they aren't there doing valuble jobs behind the scenes.
Who do you think brings the beer, and cleans up afterwards??
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Ted Bullpits favorite say was "Some should blow XXX up" XXX being whatever annoyed him usually the nuns up the road or the kids from the catholic school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleedin Thumb
We could also hoist them with a petard but I used them all up & it is done to death anyway..... What's for lunch?
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Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers
You can have lunch tomorrow.... if you are out of stock on petards, someone on your staff should contact the manufacturers (in Taiwan?) and get an urgent requisition actioned:D
I agree "Kill all extremists!" But lets leave a few bigots around, its fun playing the name and shame game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleedin Thumb
And dont worry Funky, there will come a time and then they'll all know. brew ha ha ha ha.... And as John Belushi said "well... me and the Lord... We've got this thing going..."
Sebastiaan
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Originally Posted by Tex79
Not all religions
Some actually get preferential treatment in relation to the use of drugs
US supreme court ruled that a New mexican church should be exempt from the law, which everyone else has to obey.
http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2005/2005_04_1084/
something I didnt know before reading Dawkins
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I didn't say debate was a waste of energy, just this one. Besides, it's against the rules :no:
I disagree this debate is a waste of energy. The above info is one example of why I think this is so.
IMO religion gets a little to much quiet respect. Whats wrong with asking questions ? and debating the answers you are given ?
I also dont see how respectful debate is against the rules.
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why is it pointless ?...Your right there is no conclusive proof that a creationist God does not exist, any scientist will agree...based on scientific evidence. However the scientific evidence that is available suggests that the case for evolution is a lot more probable. That is worth debating I think, especially imagining what the consequences would be if every part of daily life was infiltrated by religion :o . As an atheist I could imagine I personally would be in a bit of trouble if that were to ever happen. While Europe (and you could maybe include Australia) is becoming incresingly secular, You only need to look at the US or the middle east to see examples of how pervasive and powerful a force religion is.Quote:
It is pointless to debate with someone about whether or not their invisible friend is real. All the logic and science in the world wont help you. Their belief hinges upon their faith that he exists despite all evidence to the contrary, so it is an argument that cannot be won, because there is no way you can prove that he does not exist.
Debate raises consciousness and I think that that fact means it is never a waste of energy.
cheers
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Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers
You know what you can do with your ....... petard don't you cliff?:D
No Gra, the reference I was alluding to was from the monty python scene about the peoples liberation front/ the front for the peoples liberation etc etc I cant even remember if it was a movie or off the TV show...come on Cliff make yourself useful and refresh my memory.
FC, I may disagree intensely with your opinions, but I will fight to the death (or morning tea, whichever comes first) for your right to expose yourself to ridicule and merciless p!ss-taking by posting them in a woodwork forum.
(The above is not true, but it sounds reasonable.)
It's pointless because you are never going to convince a believer that they are wrong to believe. You may come to realise that one day, or you may just go banging on and on about it. Up to you, but I reckon it's a waste of energy.Quote:
why is it pointless ?
Discussing religion on this forum is frowned upon, as you will no doubt find out if this keeps going much longer.Quote:
I also dont see how respectful debate is against the rules.
Edit: And by the way, as an agnostic, I find your atheist stance every bit as illogical as Funky Chicken's. So there you go :)
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Originally Posted by Bleedin Thumb
You mean those b@rstards in the Popular Peoples Front of Judea! Life of Brian, personally Im with Reg who's not going because of his crook knee....
Sebastiaan
I thought it was the People of Judeas Popular Front.......I'll take a bag of otter's noses thankyou.
That was a blasphemous movie and yer'll all get struck down:o But the response to the mis-heard statement re the meek inheriting the earth wasn't bad.... "The Greeks; what'd the Greeks ever do for us..." Is this a tangent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sebastiaan56
why not people are free to change their minds....I used to believe in Santa :p .Quote:
It's pointless because you are never going to convince a believer that they are wrong to believe.
That is my point about too much quiet respect. Its not just this forum, the same applies pretty much anywhere. Im not saying people cant believe or shouldnt be allowed to believe, I would just stand up for the right to debate belief.Quote:
Discussing religion on this forum is frowned upon, as you will no doubt find out if this keeps going much longer
how exactly ?Quote:
I find your atheist stance every bit as illogical
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BD:2tsup:
Is it Friday already?