Get Serious Children!

[Groggy]

I did a little soul searching since the last post I made (and a PM to DPB) and I'd like to say a bit more for what I hope is the betterment of the forum.

After researching a few hundred posts I have made and, discounting those made in the non woodwork categories (Nothing at all to do with Woodwork, Polls, Announcements, Buy Sell 'n Swap, Woodies Jokes, Woodwork Pics, Non Woodwork and Hatches Matches Dispatches...), my signal to noise ratio is less than 10% (which I'll try to improve btw). Not included in that review was a number of PMs of help to others and many links to pages on my website where I store information for others to use (I do not post my site for everyone to see because of the bandwidth that gets chewed up).

However, I now wonder how many culprits there actually are who provide no woodworking content, 90% noise, or, as Redwood indicated, less than 80% woodwork related? I think it is time to "put up" some facts to support this feeling and talk to the individuals concerned about it. There was a thread a short while ago about the use of reddies, let me offer a quote from the FAQ, and I'd like the admins to comment if they feel it doesn't apply here:

"Negative reputation should be given if the person is posting something that detracts from the conversation. If the post is rude, inappropriate, breaks forum rules, is not gracious, etc; these are all good reasons to give negative reputation."

If people have an issue with a post that detracts from the conversation (hijack or humour), a reddie is appropriate. That will give ongoing feedback to newbies and the old hands alike, and be easily tied to a thread.

What I would like to suggest as the best remedy to this issue, is to use the reputation system for what it appears to have been intended.

So, unless otherwise directed by UBeaut and co (hopefully with a reason), I no longer plan to leave as I have not broken any of the so called "limits" mentioned throughout this thread or the conditions of use - sorry if that disappoints anyone.

[namtrak]

Well I reckon 10% of my posts are about woodworking (poor woodworking at that) about 50% about renovating and about 40% drivel. And I still reckon it's a storm in a teacup. I can see the point about hijacking, pancakes, idiot posts etc etc but I mean seriously - big deal!! I have no trouble finding whatever I need using the search button and the Best of the Best posts are like gold. It sort of seems a bit like the humour police are at work.

[redwood]

Negative reputation should be given if the person is posting something that detracts from the conversation. If the post is rude, inappropriate, breaks forum rules, is not gracious, etc; these are all good reasons to give negative reputation."

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armed and red-ie for the next silly hijacker
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[Termite]

No I did not miss your point, however, broadly categorising the jesters as children did get up my nose,(and I suspect a few others) it came across to me as a little superior.

From your own words it would appear that this forum is not the way you want it to be, well until otherwise enforced by the owner of this forum, this is the way it is, and we all have to live with it.

May I suggest that the only way you may get a forum to your complete liking is to start your own, where you can eliminate the childish element with a swish of your own axe, and enforce a strict adherence to woodwork subjects only.

OR

Learn a little more tolerance and forgiveness, we both after all qualify as "Grumpy Old Men".

[HappyHammer]

Perhaps you missed my point, I enjoy humour. It lightens an otherwise drab day. It restores the spirit. It refreshes the soul. It mollifies the mundane.

Silliness should not be confused with humour. Humour is mature, articulate, often subtle, but always clever. So my comments were not directed toward the iconoclastic Aussie humour as much as plain silly immaturity that some would attempt to pass off as humour. If you can't be funny, why substitute childish dribble in its place?

I don't want a dull "American-type" forum. But I do want one with woodworking as the primary focus. And I certainly don't want to have to wade through mindless dribble to find the nuggets of woodworking gems that have so long been the hallmark of these forums.

Maybe the advice I was given to put the perpetrators of this witless mirth on my ignore list is worth consideration.

You know what annoys me people who post in dodgy fonts, especially when they're bold. The only thing worse is when people quote them !!

HH.

[Termite]

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armed and red-ie for the next silly hijacker
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Have you learned how to self reddie?

[DanP]

I originally came to these forums googling WW related things.

I came back because of the humour. Whether the humour is clever or silly I don't care. It's what keeps me here. I have the occasional question on WW and I post it and if it goes awry I post something to bring it back.

It's just life that you will come across people that annoy you every now and then and some that you just can't stand. If someone doesn't like me then so be it. I post what I want to and I don't really care what people think of what I post. If you don't like that philosophy, stiff sh it. This is a public forum, which means that you have to deal with all members of the public. Not just the ones you like.

I don't look in every thread. I always use the new posts button and I ignore anything that the title doesn't interest me. If the post get to a couple of pages, I'll have a look and quite often end up posting. It's usually been hijacked by then and it's the hijack that I find interesting or amusing.

My 2c

Dan

[Auld Bassoon]

Trouser armour is ON

[doug the slug]

I originally came to these forums googling WW related things.

Me too Dan

I came back because of the humour. Whether the humour is clever or silly I don't care. It's what keeps me here. I have the occasional question on WW and I post it and if it goes awry I post something to bring it back.

I kept coming back because of people like you, Dan, and gumby, stuart lees, sturdee,biting midge, craigB, zenwood, ashore and a hundred others (sorry not gonna take the risk of forgetting anyone) but i started out in the triton forums cos thats what i had, along with a fair bit of experience in woodworking. (these as i recall it were the very active members in the triton and other forums i delved into back then as i remember it)

It was a buzz geting help from the forum members but it was a bigger buzzz being able to help out others when i could.

It's just life that you will come across people that annoy you every now and then and some that you just can't stand. If someone doesn't like me then so be it. I post what I want to and I don't really care what people think of what I post. If you don't like that philosophy, stiff sh it. This is a public forum, which means that you have to deal with all members of the public. Not just the ones you like.

could not have said it better with all my years of journalistic experience.

Lets get back to using the forum for what its been set up for ( now what was uit set up for again? - thats right! tipping $h!t over each other

[Christopha]

Once upon a time, in the land of UBeautia, a cheerful gnome of disgusting habits used to give lots of advice to inexperienced woodwork Imps very loudly in the public square. He stopped doing so in the public square as he got sick of a few of the Imps continuously hurling large lumps of of poo from the yukky Bullschidt bird at him. He thought it most foolish of these silly creatures but felt sorry for the many who actually listened and gleaned some small assistance from his humble offerings. So he stopped being loud in the public square, took many of his loud lessons and "POOF!!", disappeared..... he reappeared in a different form but with one important change, while at times he was still very loud and sometimes nearly (?) as silly as the loud Imps when he was in the public square... He still gave advice, but he chose to give his advice quietly in the corner to those who would like to hear so that the nasty Imps wouldn't throw any big, hard, smelly lumps of poo from the Bullschidt bird at him.

[CameronPotter]

I originally came to these forums googling WW related things.

I came back because of the humour. Whether the humour is clever or silly I don't care. It's what keeps me here. I have the occasional question on WW and I post it and if it goes awry I post something to bring it back.

My sentiments exactly.

Came here when searching for answers. Came here again searching for answers (at which stage I thought that I had found a good source of info.). But I keep coming back because I enjoy it.

I only really monitor a few boards and usually I leave the non-woodworking ones alone (more out of time constraints that anything), but it is ideal the way it is (for me at least).

Every question has a good and fast answer (or at least that is my experience so far).
People are friendly and welcoming (no "initiation" for me).
It is all good fun.

I would also guess that if you said in a thread, "Look fellas, I don't mind the hijack really, but can I get a straight answer - I really need this problem solved." Someone would do it - oh, and everyone else would tease you!!

Cam

ps This all being said, I don't use the "new posts" button as there is simply too much on this board to be able to do that.

[JDarvall]

Perhaps you missed my point, I enjoy humour. It lightens an otherwise drab day. It restores the spirit. It refreshes the soul. It mollifies the mundane.

Silliness should not be confused with humour. Humour is mature, articulate, often subtle, but always clever. So my comments were not directed toward the iconoclastic Aussie humour as much as plain silly immaturity that some would attempt to pass off as humour. If you can't be funny, why substitute childish dribble in its place?

Not to take sides but I tend to understand Termites point better.

I think what makes this discussion totally unresolveable is firstly cause there are so many different definitions of...

Sillyness
Humour

Can you define these perfectly ? Very subjective stuff.

But, not only do the definitions of these words change from person to person, BUT ALSO, sometimes these definitions change daily in any one person, right ?...depending on ones mood. If your relaxed and happy, maybe after a drink or two, I suspect normal sillyness (when your serious and sober) becomes clever wit ....

I've been in the company of many supposedly mature, articulate, professional (snobby) types... who prior to a glass of wine would only laugh at the cleverist of puns......but then after a couple of drinks would relax and have a giggle when someone farts.... :confused:

I mean, this whole discussion a bit silly in itself. Its leaning towards enforcing one definition of humour, which:confused: , hasn't really been defined yet....and damit ! if you can't conform your out ! ...... conform to what DPB?....maybe you should first define what constitutes funny in point form for us all....uno, have a funny list and a silly list, so we all know how to be funny and what to avoid so we're never silly (:eek: god forbid!)

I mean, what I don't understand is why you can let yourself get so serious that you'd start a thread on it. Hang on, Hang on..... your pulling our legs arn't you ? I see now, this whole threads just a practical joke. Had me going....

[sinjin1111]

Eggs have gone up at safeways this weeks.
Sinjin

[ozwinner]

Eggs have gone up at safeways this weeks.
Sinjin

You need to go to hijack school..

Al

[Auld Bassoon]

You need to go to hijack school..

Al

Now there's a business opportunity :eek: