Let them eat peanut butter at school?

[ubeaut]

On the plane coming back from US last year they announced they would not be serving nuts and asked everyone if they had them in their possession not to open them because they had a child on board with a severe allergy to nuts. They explained that opening a bag of nuts anywhere on the plane could trigger a life threatening reaction in the lad.

Now that's severe.

Knew 2 kids with asthma when I was growing up both were sickly looking kids with curly hair and parents that smoked heavily. Don't know if the smokes had anything to do with it.

[Bleedin Thumb]

Knew 2 kids with asthma when I was growing up both were sickly looking kids with curly hair and parents that smoked heavily. Don't know if the smokes had anything to do with it.

Doesn't that get you. Youve got two sick kids and you still smoke. Its like seeing people smoke in their cars with kids in the back!:mad:

Sorry just having an ex-smokers moment.

[Groggy]

Sorry just having an ex-smokers moment.

Think I'll join in - I've saved over $10 000 since giving up smoking. That buys a darn good TS, jointer and BS plus a shedload of other tools. What more incentive do you need?

[Iain]

Think I'll join in - I've saved over $10 000 since giving up smoking. That buys a darn good TS, jointer and BS plus a shedload of other tools. What more incentive do you need?

Haven't worked out the dollar value but I gave up 20 unfiltered camels a day about 15 years ago, I now enjoy the taste of food, wine, decent imported beers, and I can afford them, probably less than the smokes.
I am also very intolerant of smokers now, I find thge smell extremely offensive and nauseating.
I see that hotels will have a ban imposed in July 2007, will make life interesting.

[Wood Butcher]

Think I'll join in - I've saved over $10 000 since giving up smoking. That buys a darn good TS, jointer and BS plus a shedload of other tools. What more incentive do you need?

I've given up for 3 weeks now and I hope I am finally over the cravings.
One of the main reasons I quit was not so much for my health but that of my kids. They didn't deserve to have to suffer from my stupidity.

[Bleedin Thumb]

I've given up for 3 weeks now and I hope I am finally over the cravings.

One of the main reasons I quit was not so much for my health but that of my kids. They didn't deserve to have to suffer from my stupidity.

Good on you, just keep going, its worth the discomfort. It takes about 6 months I recon before you can feel safe. Its been 11 months for me and I still get (fleeting) panges when I see someone light up.

[Ashore]

I've given up for 3 weeks now and I hope I am finally over the cravings.
One of the main reasons I quit was not so much for my health but that of my kids. They didn't deserve to have to suffer from my stupidity.

Been off them for over two years because of my Grandkids don't have the cravings but still stand next to smokers and breathe in deeply, smoke 2-3 good cigars a year and realy enjoy them

I am allergic to penicillin and can't eat mushrooms , they usually last 10-15 minutes and then leave, some what embarresing when eating at someones house, but thats fine and I can handle it but when they are in a pre made sauce for some reason the effects are far worse and it can take more than a day to get over it and back on my feet. and I believe that the nut allegerys are far worse so I agree with the schools all the way.

[Iain]

but when they are in a pre made sauce for some reason the effects are far worse and it can take more than a day to get over it and back on my feet.

Sure that's not MSG, that upsets me something terrible and that is one of the reasons I avoid the urban Chinese restaurant, even if you ask if they use MSG they say no and I wind up with a screamer of a headache after about 30 minutes.
The bigger restaurants in the city seem to be better and not use the mass produced pre made slop for the ubiquitous dishes found at any restaurant in the country.
I have found that the 'sauce' on a steak at a lot of pubs are the same but to a lesser degree.

[Ashore]

Sure that's not MSG, .

No Iain never had a problem with it , just the mushrooms , blue cheese , or that third bottle of red

[Iain]

I stop at 2 3/4, then single malt, then blame food poisoning
I avoid any packaged 'dry' food products for the same reason, don't know why but any 'just add water' really buggers me right up.
Blue cheese though, can't get enough of it, if I can get the girls away from it, youngest daughter used to scoff it when she was 4, along with the olives.

[JDub]

Knew 2 kids with asthma when I was growing up both were sickly looking kids with curly hair and parents that smoked heavily. Don't know if the smokes had anything to do with it.

Just FYI parents that smoke do increase the risk of their kids becoming asthmatic, also increases the risk of SIDS etc....

[Driver]

Just FYI parents that smoke do increase the risk of their kids becoming asthmatic, also increases the risk of SIDS etc....

I'd be interested in seeing the research behind this. I'm sceptical about many of the claims put forward by the anti-smoking lobby.

This particular one needs to be seen in the context of the fact that most of my generation (I'm a baby boomer) had at least one parent who smoked cigarettes indoors for many years. Yet there seems to be a much higher incidence of asthma amongst today's children than we saw when we were kids. I don't remember any of my schoolmates who had asthma.

Incidentally, I gave up smoking a while ago so I'm not arguing in favour of the habit, merely questioning what seems to be a very broad generalisation.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong but let's see some hard evidence.

[JDub]

I'd be interested in seeing the research behind this. I'm sceptical about many of the claims put forward by the anti-smoking lobby.

Found these in 2 minutes using a very quick google search, Im sure if you search the medical journals etc you will find more in depth info and studies.....



SIDs and Smoking

http://sids-network.org/experts/smok.htm

Maternal smoking has long been linked with increased SIDS risk. The increased risk correlated with how much the mother smokes. Several studies have demonstrated that passive tobacco smoke also significantly increases the risk for SIDS. The risk for SIDS is increased, in normal birth weight infants, about two-fold with passive smoke exposure and about three-fold when the mother smokes both during the pregnancy and the baby continues to be exposed to tobacco smoke after he/she is born.

Kahn and colleagues have shown that infants born to mothers who smoked during pregnancy had lower birth weight, and significantly more episodes of obstructive apnea and excessive sweating (the infants were tested at about three months of life and compared to infants of nonsmoking mothers).

Recent epidemiological studies from New Zealand, Tasmania, and England have reported the prospective results of supine (back) sleep position and significant reduction of SIDS risk. The greatest reduction of risk, however, was found when the infant was placed supine (back) during sleep, was breast fed, and was not exposed to maternal smoking during pregnancy or to passive tobacco smoke following birth.

Recent studies have provided more details on the epidemiology and on possible physiologic mechanisms underlying the association between smoking and SIDS. Kinney et al. have documented significant changes in nicotine-binding sites in the brainstem areas involved with arousal, heart and breathing functions, sleep, and body movement control, during the last half of pregnancy. Thus, mid to late pregnancy may be a particularly vulnerable period for the fetus exposed to the nicotine in maternal tobacco smoke. We do not know exactly how smoking affects the infant during the pregnancy, however, we have several leads which suggest that the effect may influence development of the nervous system.

Asthma in kids and smoking:

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/b...d_smoking?open

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...g+studies&meta=

Cigarette smoke can trigger worsening asthma symptoms or an asthma attack in some people. Children are particularly sensitive to tobacco smoke as their lungs are smaller and more delicate and are still developing. Passive smoking is breathing in other people’s cigarette smoke. Children who live with smokers have higher rates of asthma than children living with non-smokers.

[silentC]

My father smoked until I was about 6 years old. All of my uncles smoked and yet neither my sisters, myself, nor any of my cousins suffer from asthma. The first instance of asthma in my family that anyone is aware of is my daughter who was diagnosed with it at the age of 3, although there are no signs of it at present and she's not taking any medication for it. My wife and I had both given up smoking before she fell pregnant and very few of our friends smoked and never in the house.

I'm not denying that smoking could be related, but people are much more aware of passive smoking around kids and 'maternal smoking' now than in my parents generation, yet asthma seems to be on the rise, so something else is going on.

I agree that it's wise to not smoke around kids and to not smoke period is an even better idea. I know of someone who smoked right through her pregnancy and her daughter was born with heart problems that required surgery. There may be no connection but is it worth the risk?

[Driver]

JDub

Thanks for those links. The SIDS/smoking issue seems to be backed up by some hard research. Furthermore, most of that quote from your post is related to smoking in pregnancy which, by any standard, is clearly a very bad idea.

The childhood asthma / smoking link seems more tenuous and not so obviously supported by hard research.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the increasing incidence of asthma in children is a major concern. However, attributing it to passive smoking is not proven by any hard data and seems to be contradicted by the evidence that the present increase in childhood asthma has been accompanied by a decrease in the rate of smoking in the general population. Furthermore, if there is no real link between passive smoking and increasing childhood asthma than there exists a danger that in emphasising a non-existent link, we might delay finding out what is really causing the problem.