Sheriff joe is at it again!

[astrid]

Pity you public servants havent something better to do with your time

[Jack E]

It's all part of the training, spirit, team work, esprit de corps, etc.

It is essential to the job when the job relies so heavily on working as a group.

You can't lump the Defence Force as public service and you can't compare it to any other job.

It's something you have to experience to understand.

[astrid]

What a lot of crap,
How long did you serve and at what rank?
In my time with the defence force, I discovered their were two types of officers, sensible intelegent men and women and overgrown private school boys playing biggles.
The former usually had long careers, the latter usually discovered they werent required officer material pretty quickly.
They often ended up working in the penal system

here read this lot, the man is a criminal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

[corbs]

Astrid,
I have served 15 years in the Navy in June this year. I am currently a Petty Officer which is a Sergeant equivalent. In my experience there are also good and bad Officers, however the vast majority of the Defence Force are not Officers (I am not an Officer and have no intention of becoming one). If your dealings have only been with Officers then you have not experienced the Defence Force at all. Both good and bad move up the food chain.

I might ask of your experience in the Defence Force? Were you ever a serving member or just an onlooker? I agree with Jack, members of the Defence Force are not public servants either.

I have read through the wikipedia link and although there are some issues which don't play out very well, I don't see how he could warrant being referred to as a criminal.


Corbs

[watson]

Astrid,
Cool it with the belligerence.

Watson (Major Retired)
Administrator

[Jack E]

What a lot of crap,
How long did you serve and at what rank?
In my time with the defence force, I discovered their were two types of officers, sensible intelegent men and women and overgrown private school boys playing biggles.
The former usually had long careers, the latter usually discovered they werent required officer material pretty quickly.
They often ended up working in the penal system

here read this lot, the man is a criminal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

As far as I can gather you were a civillian working for the Defence Force.
If so you probably worked in an office and were surrounded by officers.
This alone would not give you a good picture.
The Army, which is the part I know about, only really operates when it is in the field. This is when the teamwork and esprit de corps come to the fore and is the part most civilians don't see, understand or appreciate.

There are two rank structures in the Army, the officer stream and the enlisted stream.
They are very different and each have their good and bad points.

Either way, as you said above, the overgrown private school boys playing Biggles didn't last long, at least you saw that.

I was a Corporal and served for 11 years, I was to be promoted to Sergeant on my next posting but discharged because I wanted a change.
I went on operations three times, I have received the Australian Active Service Medal, The Australian Service Medal and the UN Medal.

[AlexS]

I wasn't even a glint in my old mans eye in 1967

I only used the bricks as a punishment because I had similar myself early on in my military career.

Lets just say I hate mop buckets and 3 flights of stairs, it's a Kapooka thing

The bricks at ECPD weren't there for punishment. ECPD was just a transit base (with million dollar views across the harbour). Lots of blokes just passing through for a few days, and not much real work. The bricks were just there to stop us slothing around, going down to Camp Cove, etc. They were probably there since the 1st fleet, and just got moved around when there weren't any rocks to paint.

I suspect Kapooka hasn't changed. Mate of mine is RSM there now. I'm sure the recruits reckon they're overworked, but they don't see the hours he puts in.

[astrid]

Astrid,
Cool it with the belligerence.

Watson (Major Retired)
Administrator

Who me? never
just a gentle poke
Watson my love, you know i call a spade a spade

[astrid]

yes i was a civillian, but worked with both officers, (including LT Col Ball, and Cosgrove) and lower ranks.

Always amused us how some of the captains would mind their manners when the senior ranks were around.

I have to add that as a leftie working with these blokes i learned a lot about the gentle manners and calm affiability desplayed by most in both catagories.

that said their were a few comlete w--kers

To return to topic I think Sherrif Joe would be one.
he served 3 years, became a cop dadada.
just another jumped up nobody with a taste for bullying
this guy's out of control

[Honorary Bloke]

To return to topic I think Sherrif Joe would be one.
he served 3 years, became a cop dadada.
just another jumped up nobody with a taste for bullying
this guy's out of control

With 25 years of Drug Enforcement Admin service, many of those undercover in the near east, I should think a "jumped up nobody" might be drawing a long bow.

[astrid]

So after reading the wiki thing, you recon this is a good bloke?
I liked the bit about refusing to open the books on the sale of the pink undies?
and what he's cost in lawsuits to the families of the people he murdered and crippled.

humiliation of prisoners for its own sake is barbaric and makes one wonder about his soundness of mind.
I have no problem with convicted criminals earning their keep but televising pre trial inmates?....Chain gangs, hot boxes, wet towels, rotting food.

guy should be sent to the gas chamber

[Honorary Bloke]

So after reading the wiki thing, you recon this is a good bloke?

No, after talking with him many times in a social setting and being around him and his wife, and understanding his position and his background and why he believes as he does, I reckoned he was a good bloke (who loved to get his name in the newspapers).

[fxst]

and wiki is a reputable source ...yeh right
Pete

[corbs]

So after reading the wiki thing, you recon this is a good bloke?
I liked the bit about refusing to open the books on the sale of the pink undies?
and what he's cost in lawsuits to the families of the people he murdered and crippled.

humiliation of prisoners for its own sake is barbaric and makes one wonder about his soundness of mind.
I have no problem with convicted criminals earning their keep but televising pre trial inmates?....Chain gangs, hot boxes, wet towels, rotting food.

guy should be sent to the gas chamber

I did say that on the whole I thought he looks like he has head screwed on right. The bit about refusing to open the books on the sale of pink undies isn't great but not a human rights violation. I think you might also be suprised if you looked at a lot of Australian prison's law suit histories, hospitals would also be a point of concern if this was your basis for his judgement. Have you ever worked in the tabloid media? The way you are putting the case looks very Today Tonight/A Current Affair.

If two wrongs don't make a right in your eyes then how can three? Surely sending him to the gas chamber for a wet towel isn't your solution.

[astrid]

you ever worked in the tabloid media? The way you are putting the case looks very Today Tonight/A Current Affair.

Just the sort of media coverage he courts

If two wrongs don't make a right in your eyes then how can three? Surely sending him to the gas chamber for a wet towel isn't your solution.

Note the grin If he is in charge of the prison, he is reponsible for its policy and the manner in which his employees conduct themselves.
his employees have been caught on video breaking someones neck.
His employees have delayed treatment to a woman in advanced pregnancy, on the balance of probabilities causing the death of her child.
Wikipedia is a reputable source, as it is moderated and ammended by consensus.
He has cost the state millions in lost legal cases.
OK, be honest, would you like this guy to be running on of our low security prisons?