corby's innocence

[Groggy]

what do you guys think ? Can we help her somehow ?

Zed, I sympathise with the sentiment, but as someone who has travelled there quite a few times (and got a fright when customs got excited over my supplement pills) I am not very surprised.

I (again) blame the media here. They have manipulated this in such a way that guilt or innocence is not a factor, nor is truth an issue. They have printed everything they can on an emotional level and very little of the facts. This is bad for Corby, bad for Indonesia and bad for our government.

The press claim the government is doing very little, but, the last thing the government will do is advertise any initiative they take because the press will ruin the opportunity before it can be used.

I can't begin to express how sickened I am by them, they feed off Corby's misery like dogs on live entrails.

[Studley 2436]

I don't think we know. I can't work out why anyone would want to take grass to Bali.I don't know why she didn't notice and try and tell someone that something had happened. If I noticed something like that I would look for a bin or corner or anything to dump it in.

I am really curious how you could get that much grass in your bag and get it out through the airport here. They screen everything to make sure bombs etc don't get on the plane. There seem like too many unanswered questions but I don't think there was enough presented to prove guilt.

Stevo

[bitingmidge]

Driving home this evening I passed two houses which had placards on their fences which were less than complimentary to Indonesia, protesting "Corby's Innocence".

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and suggest that in order to know that, they must be the ones that planted the stuff.

Either that or I'm living in the middle of a

FREAKING LYNCH MOB!!!

GET BACK TO WORK PEOPLE!!!!

P

[Ashore]

I don't think we know. I can't work out why anyone would want to take grass to Bali.

I don't weather she's guilty or not and wont put my opinion as it means nothing, but as to taking grass to bali apperently the australian hydroponic stuff is in demand as its far better than the local stuff

On going to Bali/indonesia, I went to sea for a lot of years and went to indonesia several times and will never go anyware any place that is controlled by indonesian customs Their customs officers are the most corrupt I have ever come accross and I have been to most countries in the middle east /asia
I feel sorry for the people of bali as they rely so much on tourism , Its indoneasian customs that i feel is the problem,



Trust not and you won't be disapointed.

[ozwinner]

There was an article in the Melb Age yesterday.

It said that Oz marijuana is worth A$20,000 per Kg over there because it is of higher grade than the local Bali stuff.
Oz stuff is worth A$8,000 per Kg over here, nice little earner if you get away with it.

Al

[Zed]

i agree the media sucks, I also said I dont know the facts. none the less I am human and my heart goes out to her. the look on her face when the judgement went down spoke volumes - she didnt look like a fake out artist that got caught - genuine outrage and innocence was what I thought I saw.

an appeal in a corrupt judicial system is about as useful as a glass banana in a tree full of monkeys.

Midge - I am a little dissapointed in your compassion... theres more to life than absolute truth. i admit I get on the horse and carry on around here but thats all in jest - corby will spend her life in jail, never have kids and when she gets out her family will be dead or so different she'll probably top herself.

[bitingmidge]

Midge - I am a little dissapointed in your compassion... theres more to life than absolute truth. i admit I get on the horse and carry on around here but thats all in jest - corby will spend her life in jail, never have kids and when she gets out her family will be dead or so different she'll probably top herself.

See the last comment on my first post in this thread.

I am truly sympathetic, as indeed I was when Lindy Chamberlain was WRONGFULLY as it turned out, convicted. My position then was the same as now, I am not in possession of ANY of the facts, I can therefore not make any statement regarding guilt or innocence, but I can be sympathetic just in case.

Sympathetic does not mean getting up on a soap box and protesting the innocence of someone I don't know and don't know anything about.

Hope you think the same when the "nine" are convicted as well, and the guy that's currently waiting to be hanged in Singapore cops it, or is it just that they aren't so picturesque (or don't have a contract with Channel Nine)?

I would like you to expand a bit on the "more to life than absolute truth" phrase, 'cos all I see is "absolute bollocks" so I try not read or watch any of it.

Cheers,

P

[Redback]

I have heard a lot of mention that the Indonesian system is the like the French and Dutch system...

The 'law' as it is supposed to be executed may be similar, but I would guess thats about as far as it would go.

If she were tried in France or the Netherlands, then I would accept the verdict as it would probably be fair and the resulting sentnece would be fair. In any case, I would expect the investigation to be far superior.

However, this is a country that until relatively recently was a military dictatorship that is renowned for its corruption and has what on the face of it, unjust laws. To site for example, what did the mastermind and executors of the Bali bombings get?. Nothing like 20 years....so multiple lives are worth less than 4kg of a fairly harmless drug.

Now Corby may be innocent, or she may be guilty. I would like to think she is innocent, but I suspect she is guilty of stupidity. However, the (apparent) handling of evidence and conduct of the investigation leads much to be desired and more than anything, the punishment certainly does not fit the crime.

Thats just my 2 cents

RB

[Christopha]

See the last comment on my first post in this thread.

I am truly sympathetic, as indeed I was when Lindy Chamberlain was WRONGFULLY as it turned out, convicted. My position then was the same as now, I am not in possession of ANY of the facts, I can therefore not make any statement regarding guilt or innocence, but I can be sympathetic just in case.

Sympathetic does not mean getting up on a soap box and protesting the innocence of someone I don't know and don't know anything about.

Hope you think the same when the "nine" are convicted as well, and the guy that's currently waiting to be hanged in Singapore cops it, or is it just that they aren't so picturesque (or don't have a contract with Channel Nine)?

I would like you to expand a bit on the "more to life than absolute truth" phrase, 'cos all I see is "absolute bollocks" so I try not read or watch any of it.

Cheers,

P

WELL SAID MIDGESTER!

Just because the Indonesian justice system is different to the one we are used to does NOT make it a bad system. Having served on juries here in OZ I am of the opinion that if I were on trial for something I did'nt do then I would definitely want to be tried in front of a judge only.....BUT if I were being tried for something I did do then I would choose trial by jury because I know that juries of lay people are going to be swayed by emotion and let me go because I came from a broken home, had bad teeth or was bullied at school......

Scrappelle was found guilty by a panel of 4 judges.... let her rot because she had to know what the penalty was and I don't care that she would have only gotten a slap on the hand in Australia, she committed the crime in Indonesia and it is only right that she wear the consequences of her crime on their terms, in their gaol and for as long as they want her. I just hope that by the time she gets out that the media have decided to move on to some other headliner.....

[Zed]

do you really beleive what you said christopha ? my god thats harsh!

[knucklehead]

There is lots of opinions bouncing around about where she was guilty or not, this is not easily answered. BUT I would offer the following comparisons with the "Bali 9" case

Within 48 hours of the Bali 9 being caught there were further arrests in 2 other countries. Enough information was gathered to know that they have a history of traveling on fake passports, significant details of the distribution network and money flow etc was gained.

The Corby case in contrast has found nothing. This case has been investigated by Indonesian and Australian Federal police.

This young girl is either such a hardened criminal that she would rather face life in a Bali jail (early on it was a death sentence) than give up her supplier, or she in innocent.
Just my observations.......................

[Gumby]

- corby will spend her life in jail, never have kids and when she gets out her family will be dead or so different she'll probably top herself.

Zed, i think you are getting a bit carried away. She got 20 years, not life. They have a system over there wher remissions for good behaviour could cut that down considerably. let's not get too emotive on this, that's what the media do. let's stick to the facts.

[Daddles]

On channel nine tonight, she's the sweet innocent. Remember, this is the channel that has paid her parents a **** load of money for their story and which promised Shappelle herself something like 600K for her story. If she was found innocent, she'd be worth something in the order of 2.2 million dollars. But it's not media spin.

On channel seven tonight, you've got Australian lawyers saying she stood a good chance of being found guilty here in our courts ... though they put that at 50/50.
You should also remember that channel seven are in competition with channel nine who got the exclusive stories - media spin again.

And those of you who are convinced of her innocence might wonder why she tried to prevent the Indonesian customs officers from opening her bag - that is in the evidence.

I don't know if she's guilty or innocent, but I'm disgusted by the media feeding frenzy and the way people seem to think that media spin is gospel. The sad part is, our useless govt will now spend money to try to ease her sentence. For a guilty person, that's a disgrace (but good PR which is what little Johnny is all about).

Personally, I'm not convinced either way. To be guilty, she has to be remarkablty stupid, but that's not uncommon in human behaviour, criminal or otherwise. She may indeed be innocent but she couldn't prove that ... and it could be argued she wasn't proved guilty either, just likely to be guilty. If she is guilty, she can rot in an Indonesian jail because these creatures are the scum of modern society, just behind the rock spiders. If she isn't, this is a tragedy, both for her and her family.

But the real criminals in this are the media and their spin doctors. They've taken a horrible situation and made it worse. They've sucked in thousands of viewers in the name of profit. They've made it impossible to ever know whether we've witnessed justice or tragedy today. The media has failed us - in this case, they have proven themselves to be worse than the most cynical of lawyers.

Richard

[ozwinner]

Theres a friend of mine on drug charges.
Jury found her guilty.
When the judges gavel fell
Gave her 20 years in hell..

Going to make a jail break.
Oww how I wish I could fly

Al

[ozwinner]

, just behind the rock spiders.

Sooooo, whats wrong with spiders?? :confused:

Al