Domestic Violence

[Gingermick]

I've only had a quick look but from what I've seen, and SWMBO's perception, there seems to be little statutory help for women who are being squeezed, either literally or metaphorically, by a male.
I'm sick of hearing about jane doe who is a mess and a head or a druggie or a slut because she's trying to deal with an overbearing aggressive male.
I'd like to see if anyone is else of sick of this bloody issue and would like to see some real action by our weak pollies.

[Burnsy]

There is no excuse for hitting a woman and I think a 900mm block of 75 x 75 hardwood should be used to deal with anyone who does. I don't care how many mistakes a female has made in her life (drugs, alcohol, whatever) it is not an excuse - social standing is not an excuse. Unfortunately those that you mention tend to be picked up by the lowest forms of males who are so poorly educated in the common morals and decencies of society that they think it is OK.

As someone who works in a community where this is to common, I can vouch for the effect that it has on the children of women who are in these relationships. Violence is not the answer, unless of course you are caught in my shed without an invite, in which case there is a fair chance you would also fit into the first category of people I mentioned as needing to be dealt with by a piece of 75 x 75 and that my friends is the problem, these people never seem to be single offenders, they generally fit into the category of guys who consistently make poor choices.

[johnc]

It's not OK for a man to use physical or verbal abuse against a woman, nor is it OK in reverse. I think most people are aware that bullying or abuse is not acceptable and the debate is beginning to move onto what actions many would see previously as in the twilight zone. Put simply we are responsible for our actions and it is very weak of an individual to state that others "drove me to it" or whatever.

This is a woodwork forum and I feel that this thread is probably a bit to far removed from the forums purpose, although your statement is fine the poll to me is not.

John.

[Wongo]

It is not ok to hit a woman at all.

When I was a teenager, I used to pray to the unknown god begging him to take my father away from this world. You can figure out why. OK I think I should stop here.

[Wood Borer]

Touchy Subject.

This is similar to Wongo's thread about the mother grabbing the bully and the bully's mother running to the cops.

As I said in Wongo's thread, running to the cops or resorting to violence as the first response is pathetic. The same applies here. If people chose not to firstly attempt to resolve the issue by discussing the issue they have a problem whether it be laziness or inability to communicate.

I have problems with the topic highlighting the violence towards women. I know this is a common problem in some relationships(?). Resorting to violence against any living creature apart from a life threatening scenario indicates a serious problem to me and it causes unnecessary pain and suffering on the victim.

There is evidence to support that many violent people were subjected to violence themselves however not everyone subjected to violence ends up being violent.

I have observed that some people seem to form relationships with people who are violent and consequently become punching bags. They escape from one disaster straight into another one! I am not suggesting that they contribute to the violence upon themselves other than forming relationships with violent people – why?

It is probably easy for others to suggest that the victim leaves the violent person but it seems they choose to stay with the violent person to be beaten up again and again!

Perhaps work needs to be done understanding the behaviour of both the puncher and the punched.

For men who are only violent towards their women but conveniently forget to take on the big tough bloke at the pub they have two problems and perhaps the big tough bloke at the pub should give them a third problem.

I do not condone domestic violence but then who would say they do?

[dazzler]

I've only had a quick look but from what I've seen, and SWMBO's perception, there seems to be little statutory help for women who are being squeezed, either literally or metaphorically, by a male.
I'm sick of hearing about jane doe who is a mess and a head or a druggie or a slut because she's trying to deal with an overbearing aggressive male.
I'd like to see if anyone is else of sick of this bloody issue and would like to see some real action by our weak pollies.

If you use force upon a person then it is common assault.

EG: If you decide to leave an arguement and either party grabs the other against thier will they have committed a common assault.

Some states, the ACT and I think TAS, have a zero tolerance policy with respect to family violence. If plod turns up and there is evidence of any physical assault between ANY family members then the assailant MUST be arrested and brought directly to the court. This is great because it brings the violence to and end without the victim having any say in the matter.

Its bedtime, will have a look at QLD criminal code tomorrow to see if its similar.

[Burnsy]

There is evidence to support that many violent people were subjected to violence themselves however not everyone subjected to violence ends up being violent.

I have never been able to understand this, same goes for sexual predators. I would have thought that knowing how bad it is would make you go in the opposite direction but it does not seem that way and it irritates me that it is constantly used as a defence in court. I am sure there is alot more to it that I don't get but as a layman who has not experienced it I am not able to comprehend.

[Buzza]

I wanted to tell my story here, but SWMBO said she'd biff me if I did.

[swiftden]

Daz,

Its the same here in SA we have zero tolerance any evidence and we lock them up and put them before the courts even if the other party is not willing to take action or provide a statement. We do it off our evidence .

There is no reason to hit a women. I grew up with my father beating up my mother and no family should have to go through it.

Regards
Allan.

[ozwinner]

Gingermick..

You may as well tell them the whole story now, seeing as how you want to go public with it so much.

Al

[Gingermick]

SWMBO was concerned for neighbour when her male companion came home. He yelled at SWMBO to leave and she said 'why'. He tried to physically intimidate her, she slapped him (more a rude slap than a painful one) he grabbed her and threw her against the wall or door. Neighbour escorted stef and children home. I see her, and my stress levels go up to extreme.

[rrich]

A gentleman does not hit (or use force on) a lady, ever. It just simply isn't done.

[masoth]

........... there seems to be little statutory help for women who are being squeezed, either literally or metaphorically, by a male.

And what help is there for the abused male? Physically stronger women beat the daylights out of their man and, as pathetic as it is, there is little our court system does to protect him.

soth

[Bob38S]

I voted "You dont bloody use force with a woman"

My only question/statement is that it should not just be restricted to women.

I'm trying to say that the use of force except in extreme exceptional circumstances is just not acceptable in any form. By form, I referring to the mental as well as the physical.

Exceptional circumstances means that you/yours are in physical threat and there is absolutely no alternative but to negate the threat. However once the threat is negated do not fall into the trap of retribution/punishment.

A very touchy subject which is sure to stir emotions - mostly related to personal experiences.

Regards,
Bob

[Gingermick]

I agree that 'women' should be changed to 'person' in the poll.

The below shows about 1 in 20 women experienced physical assault in the 12 months prior to the survey. That's an extraordinarily shocking statistic.