The Lucky Country

[anthonyd]

Bodgy,

Sorry just added the marketing thing for humour purposes.

Personally I dont know exactly what marketing do - all I know is that in engineering we strive to ensure that the marketing department do not get access to any magazines since they are normally followed by requests to build all sort of new fangled stuff!

[shrek]

Upon reading some of the lessons that my staff were to undertake at a course designed especially for cleaners, i came across this:

"The correct way to utilise full body mechanical function to successfully yield all contents of a waste receptacle"

A greenie to the first that can tell me what the above actually means!!!

How to successfully manage your time during your toilet break.

[maglite]

How to successfully manage your time during your toilet break.

Close Shrek, but no banana.....sorry

[Auld Bassoon]

I had a student in yr 10 and I said whats 1 plus 1 and no word of a lie she said " your confusing me " she couldn't answer it .

Hi Rick!

Sounds like another Blasted Pollie in the making!

I worked in Canberra for a couple of years in the consulting field and met a few; most of whom ought to be introduced to the rude end of a blunderbuss!

No wonder voting is compulsory here...

Cheers!

[jow104]

I want higher interest rates

I'm a pensioner. I also paid high inerest rates years ago thinking one day my boat would come in.

Seriously though some things were better in the old days.

[echnidna]

Seriously though some things were better in the old days.

Gotta agree with that John but somethings were pretty crummy too!!

[boban]

Barry,

That might have worked 'in the old days' but thanks to our friends in the law field and their so called 'progress'. One cannot do that these days.

How about someone who says that they are a electrician when they are not and wire up a house. They might do a perfect job, but when the day comes when someone in that house opens up a light switch and electrocutes themselves guess who is up for neglegent homicide because they traded without the correct papers?

Same could be said for just about any profession - the civil engineer with a degree who's bridge collapsed when a 10 ton truck ignored the sign that dais 5 ton only etc...

In all honesty that piece of paper is not so much to get the job, but also to cover yourself once you have got it.

With all due respect to you Anthony, this is not an accurate statement.

I dont care that you criticise lawyers, go for your life. But in order to sue someone for negligence, you need to prove that they were negligent amongst other things. Not that they were not properly qualified.

If you were not negligent you wont be liable for anything other than for offences relating to any trading without the proper qualifications.

[Bodgy]

Anthony.

You say you have little idea about marketing nor what they do, ergo you work for an organisation with an absolutely superb marketing arm.

The absolute, totally focussed, ball breaking, furkin imperative of marketing is not to be measured. If the rest of the company knows not what you do, it becomes a bit hard to measure your effectiveness (or if I was being paid 'efficacious quotient')

They deserve a raise!

[kiwigeo]

The trouble is, 80 - 90% of nursing is still about changing beds, cleaning up the s%%t, tending to the patients needs and providing direct patient care and you dont need a degree to do these type of duties.

Shrek,

A basic practical training based system is ok for basic tasks such as the ones you describe above with the exception of "tending to the patients needs". A patient's needs extend beyond simply looking after the patients physical health. As I've pointed out, the mission statement of todays nurses is not the same as it was in the past.....

How about things like dealing with DNR or hospice patients? How about a working knowledge of the workings of the various right to die legislations in each state? How about medical ethics? How about dealing with a patient and/or his/her family asking questions about death and dying?

These are all issues which nurses in todays hospitals have to deal with and they are issues that get covered as part of university nursing courses.

As Ive said I agree that the level of practical training amongst uni trained nurses needs improvement.....but to me the solution is to fine tune the uni training so that more time is spent in practical training. Doing away with the uni training system all together would IMO be a backward step.

Cheers Martin

[anthonyd]

With all due respect to you Anthony, this is not an accurate statement.

I dont care that you criticise lawyers, go for your life. But in order to sue someone for negligence, you need to prove that they were negligent amongst other things. Not that they were not properly qualified.

If you were not negligent you wont be liable for anything other than for offences relating to any trading without the proper qualifications.

So if tomorrow I decide to practise as a surgeon and someone dies on the operating table all I get is a fine?? Somehow I doubt that!

[anthonyd]

Anthony.

If the rest of the company knows not what you do, it becomes a bit hard to measure your effectiveness (or if I was being paid 'efficacious quotient')

That's why I write software for a living now - projects just can't be measured - a bug could take anywhere from one day to six month to fix! Provided you're moving the mouse you're working

[Barry_White]

So if tomorrow I decide to practise as a surgeon and someone dies on the operating table all I get is a fine?? Somehow I doubt that!

Anthony

I suppose that would depend on if you were negligent or not. If you knew what you were doing and you did everything correctly and they died because of any other reason, just so as you had your insurance paid up you should be OK. Just like Boban said you'd cop a fine for practising without a licence.

[Wongo]

I used to teach Anguish to new immigrants. What! you want my qualification? You want a piece of me? Here …… bang.


Well, a degree for me is 4 years of hard work and discipline. To hire me or not, it is up to you.

[boban]

So if tomorrow I decide to practise as a surgeon and someone dies on the operating table all I get is a fine?? Somehow I doubt that!

Now youre going to extremes. But that said, if you know what you are doing, (which without the necessary training is unlikely for surgeons) you must still prove negligence. With this example I doubt whether a lawyer would have too much trouble proving you didn't have the necessary knowledge to perform surgery.

Hows this example then. You are an overseas doctor who has no practicing certificate. He performs surgery and the patient dies but not due to his negligence (which is analogous to the example of the unlicenced electrician). His acts do not become negligent merely because he has no practising certificate.

Your example was of a job perfectly done by an unqualified person. Where is the liability at law?

PS I didnt read Barry's response before posting this. He puts it well using less words.... I cant help myself....

[Sturdee]

PS I didnt read Barry's response before posting this. He puts it well using less words.... I cant help myself....

But Barry isn't trying to confuse ( others call it adressing ) a jury.


Peter.