I've been suffering through a period of tolerance, but now that I'm feeling better the old Ron is making a grumpy comeback.
Newb. Newbie. When did these become terms of Australian conversation? Every time I see them used in a post I cringe, wondering if the poster is actually some pre-adolescent American child.
Is our Australian vocabulary so restricted that we feel the need to use inane Americanisms for even the most simple of concepts?
Think they might be computer words more than American words.
Michael
I agree, newb or newby is a computer word, comes from the pre internet daysQuote:
Originally Posted by mjmjm
No, it isn't.
It may have been popularised by the internet, but it was an Americanism long before that.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/newbie
Let me turn it around ... did you ever hear this term used when you were a child? A teenager? A young man?
Harumph. Next thing we'll all be saying "nuc-u-lar" and declaring war on "trrrr".
At least "SWMBO" can lay claim to being a wholesome English expression.
Gotta agree, I hate it when people call themselves N00bs and such:~Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Dunn
What's the difference? It's still not Australian, which I thought was the point of your original whingeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Dunn
I think we can thank Horace Rumpole for popularising it
Ian
Good point, Ian :) I'm being selectively intolerant.
i get so anoyed when people speek american. i feal like giving tehm a smack in the mouth.
i really hate sayings with american town names in them. :((
we live in the land of aus not america
I just found a wasp nest :D
I agree Carl. Let's get the SOB's. :((Quote:
Originally Posted by weisyboy
And while we're at it ....
GO FIGURE !!!!
DO THE MATH !!!
I can't believe how often I'm hearing those ridiculous expressions in the media these days.
Just goes to show that the only qualification for broadcast media is a pretty face.
what about
"closure"
"gawd damit"
Yeah and "Desk" and "Loaf". What's wrong with closure?Quote:
Originally Posted by weisyboy
Well I agree with Ron Dunn in that I hate to see any threat to our "Australian-ness".
But I gave up worrying about it when I was around funky's age.
Firstly because we can't stop change, and secondly because the change is never as bad as we think.
Funky is a good example -- for the last 16 years, presumably, he has been subjected to untold hours of American culture via TV, computer games, internet, etc.
But he still likes Australian ways rather than American ways.
At work I get the opportunity to see Asian families arrive for extended stays here.
The parents generally don't change that much, except for becoming more responsive to our relaxed approach to things -- they become more friendly.
But after a couple of months at school the children become "Australian" -- they become just like Australian kids. And after a couple of years here, I love to hear Australian accents from these kids.
My conclusion is that up close, our Australian "culture" is irresistable.
So other cultures might dent the surface sometimes, but they won't change Australians very much. We're all too much the way we are to let anyone change us.
Michael
Stone the bloody crows. If any of yous blokes 'n' sheila's feel the need to bust a cap go to this 'ere thread 'n' do it for the good of others.
Come now.... did you ever hear the term wiktionary, wiki, etc or even world wide web. I'll bet not. Anyone under 20 need'nt answer. I'll also bet there's a lot who don't know what a zac, deena, or trey are yet they were used in Australia every day for many, many years.Quote:
did you ever hear this term used when you were a child? A teenager? A young man?
Newb, Noob, Newbie, Troll, and a number of other terms are actually universally used in forums (bulletin boards)
Think you'll find that Newbie stems from New boy which was used whan I was a kid.
Not only American-isms but I hate plain old Manglish like some of local identities up here have been foisting on us lately. The latest one is de-necessary. What ever happened to dispensable or superfluous?:roll:
And don't even get me started on the "verbing" of nouns...
Cheers
Michael
Sure, Zac is the boy down the road and Deena is his sister, a trey is what their mum brings them sandwiches on:DQuote:
Originally Posted by ubeaut
I get annoyed at people saying Lumber and Brocolleeeeee
yer lumber really anoyes me and is brocly.
youz and hiya
I use "oreg arno" in my cooking sometimes. When I see TV cooks from Britain or America, they call it "oh regg a no".
They say toe mate toe, I say tom art oh. G W Bush couldn't even spell potato. (Remember he got caught out spelling for some school kids and put an E on the end)?
Our everyday language is evolving all of the time, but the Oxford Dictionary is the one to abide by. Sadly we are influenced by TV, and George Cole as Arthuur DALEY gave us "Er' Indoors".
Closure is now a word used by everybody who has something to say about anything.
Moving On. This is the one bugging me lately. Get into trouble, get caught doing something wrong? Tell the world you just want to move on from it all. The world will then know you are now a better person . . all except me, I don't believe it. :)
By the way, we do have quite a few cobbers from the USA on the Forums, as well as the UK, so let's not forget, we are on the WWW, and we do at least know what these terms mean.
What bugs me more than anything else is the phrase 24/7 supplanting the simple word of "always" or "all the time" .
Peter.
24/7, yes, I am sick of that one too, and I want to have closure on it and move on. :D
That's better than brocoll-eye which is an anglicization of the original brocoli-eeQuote:
Originally Posted by funkychicken
One that that bugs me is "eye - talian"
And
Aussies that can't pronounce or too lazy to try and pronounce or say anything in the original way and think that if they just say it louder foreigners will understand what they are saying.
Ron,
I'm with you all the way.:(:(
We should walk to the crease, take guard, duck a bumper, then hook the bastards for six, but, we'll "step up to the plate, go the whole nine yards,get a ball park figure after doing the math, and kick ass!!:((:((
Fair dinkum, mate, it'd fair make a saint swear, but I'm so p888-weak ,now that I couldn't knock a f**t off a gatepost in a bloody gale.:U
It's enough to give as bloke the tom-tits, so I'll shoot through now....:;
Hoo-roo.
PS. What's wrong with "Newchum"??.Good old Aussie description of a beginner at anything, and only one letter longer than that other apalling invention:2tsup::2tsup:
And another thing---When did it become OFF-fence, and DEE-fence???:~:~.
Well sorry but you are both wrong, It's "o - rre -gahno" with the "o"'s as in "of" and rolled "rr"s, once again aussie to lazy to learn how to say the original word bought here by latino migrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzza
According to The Shorter Oxford Dictionary," Oregano " can be pronounced either way.I've always said Ori-Garno,, and, until tonight's excursion into the dictionary, I thought the others were wrong.
It's a bad day when you learn nothing, eh, mate.:2tsup::2tsup:
Oh, and those of us who are "Bugged" by something are, I believe, using an Americanism that means"Vexed" or "Annoyed", or even, perhaps, "Discombobulated'.I'm sure tey are not meaning that listening devices have been attached to their telephonic apparatus!!:q:q
Let's get the spelling right, plu-eeese!!!!eleven!!
First off, it's n00b (that's two zeros in the middle there) when used in relation to teh intarwebs* (originally, newbie was British public school/military slang).
Similarly, that half gigabyte drive houses your 'pr0n collection', (a zero again) not your collection or even those magazines that you only buy for the articles.
The opposite of a n00b is a h4x0r, and a good h4x0r is l33t especially if they manage some good n00b pwnage; and if you are happy with how something has turned out, you can say w00t!
Personally, I love extra words like these as they allow you to pack more contextual meaning into a sentence. It also means you can ostracise those who actually say 'LOL' in a real-life conversation. Kekeke.
GTG; BIO.
*Its 'teh intarwebs' because it's all a series of tubes... 'an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday.'
"Kick ass!" Why are Septics perpetually cruel to donkeys? Or maybe they don't know their collective ass from their 4rse. I've noticed in a few dictionaries that "ass" has become an accepted alternative for "4rse"! :~ Damn the Septics and their common (mis) usage! Personally, I don't rely on mediocre dictionaries that side with that hip type of modern usage.
One that really gets my goat is the Aussie confusion over the past tenses of the words 'bring' and 'buy'.
You don't "bring" a can of beans at the supermarket, you "buy" it ergo you "bought" it (bought being the past tense of buy).
You don't "buy" a slab of beer to a BBQ, you "bring" it ergo you "brought" it (brought being the past tense of bring).
I don't understand why that ignorance exists and persists, but for those who get confused with the two, just remember, "bring" and "brought" both have an "r" while "buy" and "bought" don't. It's not difficult.
I really wish the Septics would refrain from refering to their language as "English". It's not and it's an insult to English-speaking peoples. English is your language - use it and support it before it's totally consumed by the internet and Septic media.
Cone on gentlemen and ladies.
Enough of the language analysis and back to the shed where anything can be said, whether in jest or in anger.
And some of those words can not be analysed, are not printable, but have universal meaning.
Lets cut wood!!!
Humm . . . . . "Back in my day" , "Cone on" use to mean "keep smoking pot"!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellemcbeast
A peacemaker! Oi! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellemcbeast
Nar, let the flogging continue. We Seppos can take it. :D At least this one can.
Woodwould, I am perfectly willing to stop referring to our language as English if blokes who say drongo and ocker will reciprocate. :wink:
This thread has to be perilously close to being DRIVEL.
Is this all you have to worry about:~
You'd have to negotiate with the Aussies on the forum about that. Aussies typically add vernacular words and expressions to the English language rather than adulterate it (bought and brought excepted).Quote:
Originally Posted by Honorary Bloke
At present, yes. :UQuote:
Originally Posted by Howdya do that
Well, how many angels can dance on the head of YOUR pin? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodwould
You have the advantage of me, sirrah! It is time for bed over here and you lot are only getting started. But, like MacArthur to the Philippines, "I shall return." :D:D
Meanwhile, you Prisoners Of Mother England can try to kick a donkey, but will likely not succeed. :wink:
Sorry but geek speak will NEVER be cool. I mean, if someone learns all the words (not hard when most of them are in Wikipedia) does that suddenly make them awesome? No, it does not. It makes them try-hard losers. They remind me of the computer shop guy from the Simpsons. :pQuote:
Personally, I love extra words like these as they allow you to pack more contextual meaning into a sentence. It also means you can ostracise those who actually say 'LOL' in a real-life conversation. Kekeke.
Honorary Bloke, be careful with expressions like "Prisoners Of Mother England". Whilst it has become fashionable to believe that to be the origin of one of our vernacular sayings, there is not historical evidence to support that claim.
There is no record of the expression ever having been used until the latter part of the 20th. century. Certainly, when suggested as an origin for the expression "Pom", or "Pommy", the fact that alliterised acronyms were rarely, if ever, found in 18th and 19th Century English makes it almost impossible.
(your History Professor *grin*)
It goes to show how language evolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
The n in 'cone' is a typo, it should have been an 'm', my error.
Bob, your modern translation of the typo seems does not seem out of place in this discussion
Re Pommie.:p
Prisoner of Her/his Majesty??:doh:
Also, the pale skin, when exposed to the strong sun of Aus, split open like a Pomegranate!!(cf Yank "Limey" from the habit of Brit seafarers eating limes to ward off scurvy).:;
From the mine of useless info in what passes for my brain!!:C