Everybody knows the danger. Most ignore it. Nomatter how many times you tell people they just don't listen. Next time you wear that ring while using power tools think of this picture.
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Everybody knows the danger. Most ignore it. Nomatter how many times you tell people they just don't listen. Next time you wear that ring while using power tools think of this picture.
ouch!!!! :onot only power tools, my mate did a similar thing jumping down off a truck, his ring caught on a snag and he degloved his finger a bit too....
not good.
What power tool are we talking about?
Zelk
Agreed there zelk, but either way its made a hell of a mess of things.
Apparently it's quite a common injury (snagging on something is easy to do), and roughly one-third of all such injuries lead to loss of the finger; in the remaining cases, there is stiffness and severely reduced finger utility.
Note that the ring finger is considered a 'minor' finger by orthopaedic surgeons, so sometimes the better decision is to remove it as this has less effect on grip strength and usability of remaining fingers.
For those who really can't part with their bling, a workaround is to get a jeweller to make two cuts most of the way through the ring from the inside and fill the gap with low-strength solder - these weak points should give way before the skin does!
A study of injury potential (using fresh cadaver hands!) showed that there was a 100% degloving rate when the hand was attached to a 10kg weight, and the weight was allowed to fall 500mm - so it doesn't take too much force to create severe injuries!
See:
http://www.securiteconso.org/notice5...id_article=510
They also advise against wearing rings on the thumb, index and middle fingers as these are all critical in grip so they are the ones your really don't want to loose!
My point basically is.
If there is a danger you should go through the hierachy of risk management. Ellimination being the prefered choice. Nomatter how small the probability of it happening isn't it better to get rid of the risk?
All rings should actually be banned at all times to minimise that risk. Girls should not have wedding rings either. Our love for them should be worn in their hearts not on their fingers.:kissing:
:meg:Guess who wants to save three grand?
OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can only imagine how much that must have hurt.
OUCH big time. Wow that is shocking enough to make me take more precautions when using my tools in future.
My problem is that my finger has got larger since I was married. The ring just doesn't come off. At all. I guess that means there's less chance something will get caught under it, but at the same time if it ever happens it will be bad. I already got a jeweller to cut it off and resize it once. Guess it's time to do more exercise.
Peter
Degloving injuries are very nasty.
Hopefully he did OK
Why not just wear gloves?
Unless this is a freak accident that can happen at any time.
Good question, which power tools cause de gloving?Quote:
Originally Posted by zelk
Obviously a bad and painful injury but not generally one associated with power tools.
Cheers, Jack
Why not wear gloves?:((
Wear gloves and it won't be a finger that gets flayed (skinned) it will be your whole hand that gets dismembered (ripped off).
When you know theres a danger your instincts tell you to pull back your hand if you feel something. With a glove you don't feel it until it's too late.
Same principle really applies to all incidents (old term accidents). If you had a warning it probably wouldn't happen (unless your thick), the problem is the reflex time is longer than the point of no return for all incidents that happen. Otherwise they wouldn't happen. A machine travelling at 1000's of RPM doesn't give the operator much of a chance to make decisions.
Which power tools cause degloving?
That's the problem with safety and risk assessment.
All power tools (that are manufactured to the appropriate standard) if used appropriately and for their intended purpose are "almost" totally safe.
It's the little things that have small probability that catch people out.
It's always best to increase safety standards and elliminate the risk.
We are talking about removing a ring while doing anything (as already mentioned, even jumping off a truck).
But Where. But When. But How.
Just take the bloody thing off. :roll:
Gloves lead to a whole new set of problems - depending on what it is you are doing, you could turn a potential degloving injury into an attempt to remove your entire hand or drag your whole body into rotating machinery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ch4iS
My rule of (keeping my) thumb is to not use gloves on anything that I would not consider grabbing the business end of with my bare hand while it's in operation.
This pretty much limits me to cordless drill use while wearing gloves.
Typically degloving injuries are caused by catching on a fixed 'something'. So unless you are going to go through life wearing gloves...
(quoting from my earlier link):
"They occur during game and leisure activities, one-third occur when ring gets snagged on a nail, fencing, doors and moving doors, and less than 2% during sports or DIY activities."
I agree but the title of the thread was aimed at this injury being caused by using a power tool, how would this injury occur with a power tool?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantapantz
I am aware of the ways it can occur.
It was a common injury in the Army.
People would jump down from a truck and their ring would get caught.
They would then have their entire body weight hanging on one finger which usually caused de gloving.
Still wincing after viewing that one. Used to work around large battery installations in telephone exchanges and one thing we never wore was rings, if your ring came across the battery terminals it didn't tear or deglove it exploded and blew off the finger.:no:
I don't want to upset anyone because they believe this is not possible with a power tool. To those persons, please wear your rings when using power tools there is no danger, especially those with rotating parts. If so inclined also wear a neck tie and a shirt with sleeves that dangle, because unless every little detail is explained for every power tool there will always be an excuse. Taking a ring off is a very difficult task after all.
But I thought..........
But I didn't...........
But.....
But.....
But.....
Nice dodge, any chance of an answer?
If a ring comes into contact with rotating machinery you are likely to lose the body part all together, not de glove it.
You can't compare wearing a ring around rotating machinery to wearing a tie or loose clothing.
I'll ask again, how would this injury occur using a power tool?
lol, thats a easy way to remove it if you have to :D saves paying to have it cut off.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIXANYTHING
I didnt say it wouldnt hurt.
The purpose of my post is not to state one set of circumstances for one machine that increases the risk of degloving. It's the unseen event that usually causes accidents including degloving. Unseen because of complacency as a general rule.
So lets take this to the next level.
Someone names a power tool with rotating parts (minimum 750 Watt so its got enough power to do the job properly).
Forum readers (including me) give you scenarios where degloving could occur. It may be a highly unlikely scenario but the injury would not have been as severe if the ring was not present.
Circular saw
You could get your ring caught on the tool cupboard latch while removing the saw ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack E
:U
True :u:u:u
Must admit I've always found it difficult to understand how a power tool can cause that type of injury - not saying it doesn't happen: it obviously does.
I think that if someone could give examples of exactly how it happens, then the message might be more inclined to get through. About the only thing I've heard of is rings getting caught by a rotating chuck on a drill press, but the question is, why was the hand anywhere near the chuck in the first place?
Regarding jumping off the back of a truck, my old man knew a bloke who impaled himself on a shovel handle which had been leant up against the bed of the truck. Not pretty.
I heard of the same thing happening to a soldier jumping out of a Unimog onto a star picket, ouch :o
thanks for this.
now im so scared i never wear the ring my friend gave me.
Yep over time I've caught my wedding ring on various objects and thought I must take I off but never did. Now it has it's own build in safety mechanism... its busted on the joint so now it opens up when it get caught and I just close/push it back into shape, it works for me:2tsup:.
'Tis why I never wear mine or my watch when working, whether with power tools or just outside working
But like Jack asked ...what power tool caused the injury? If the post was to show gory pics you suceeded but the question still remains What tool caused the injury? At least answer that with honesty and people may actually take notice.
Pete
Here's the original post. Make of it what you will:roll:
http://www.itim.nsw.gov.au/index.cfm...B067DC88E16BFC
Cheers
Michael
Right, so it had nothing to do with power tools...
Nope. Ive seen some pretty messed up people caused by a ring on the finger though, which is why I never got married...
Cheers
Michael
:2tsup:
Common guys, you spoilt the game. This was supposed to get people thinking not close them off.
Safety is a game after all, they even had it on TV.
Who dares, loses.:)
Just remember if a ring ever causes a degloving or other accident. I told you so.
But but but.
Just remenber that a level of fear should always be present when operating any tool or machine. Fear is good, it makes us think about possibilities. When I use a harmless battery drill to drill a hole in a wall, I fear sawdust in my eyes so I wear safety glasses. When I use a belt sander I make sure my shirts not hanging becasue I fear wearing a hole in my beer-gut. When I do anytghing with power tools I take my ring off, cause I fear a degloving.
Please, :please2: get some help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantapantz
Cheers
Michael
The most probable risk with power tools and rings is not degloving....it is the ring getting caught and drawing the finger/hand further into the rotating part.
where for example...if the finger contacted a rotating saw blade ( not a saw stop...micd)... best case would be a neat chunk of skin cut out of if realy realy lucky a minor skin abrasion...
If a rotating saw blade caught behind the ring the ring would be thrust forward pulling the hand finger into the blade....3HP 5000rpm..the posibility is that the blade may run all the way up your arm.
The big risks of degloving and finger ripping are in the climbing and lifting operations... getting caught on hooks, edges and protrubences a lesser risk is getting caught in gaps.
I have a wedding ring.. but I never wear it...I do not wear any jewlery, these days I rarely wear a watch for both comfort and safety reasons.
My sisters husband saw a bloke jump of an army truck and catch his wedding ring on the tray....It ripped his finger clean off....well not all that clean. he also has other ring injury stories... he never had a wedding ring.
I have heard of a bloke that got his wedding ring between two electrical conductors.....the ring arked up and melted leaving very bad burns.
Jewlery in any form has no place in an industrial workplace, certainly arround machinery.
there are so many completly avoidable accidents from jewlery.
heavy kneck chains and ladders are a bad combination.
The female deputy head at our school was realy strict on ear rings particulay during sport.... one of her friends had an ear ring ripped out of her ear while playing net ball
I look at the various "more interesting" bodily pearcings and wonder at the possible pain and injury that could occur in a variety of industrial situations.
Don't kid yourself that a weakend ring will save you from the dangers it won't.
Don't think that covering the ring will do a damn thing to reduce the risks....it is still there and is still harder and stronger than skin and flesh.
Don't wear your ring when you are working with machines or the workshop.
Almost any proper jewler will cut a ring off.....this is a regular thing for them....my mother decided she should have her ring cut off after not being able to get it off for 25 years.
cheers
mic-d....what do you want to get married for??? Look at your avatar.....you already got a pussy.
oh no you didn't!!... Bam! I think he did
I'm so glad I'm not a doctor or medical student or anyone who has to look at this stuff for a living. I will never ever again look at a thread or site or something that has a big red "GORE WARNING" sign on it:( I appreciate that it was posted for good reason though. it does make you think...