Seems rumors are rife that the great man Warnie is going to retire :( hope thats all it is, but seems tonight he will make it public:(
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Seems rumors are rife that the great man Warnie is going to retire :( hope thats all it is, but seems tonight he will make it public:(
Nah, retiring as in goin' to bed. Been up celebrating since Perth. :D Seriously though, If he went after his 700th you couldn't blame him. He can get on with a PRIVATE life and anyway what else has he to prove? A legend!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lignum
Late breaking news: Yep looks like you were on the money mate. Another Nine Network commentator.
Firstly, he's not a great man. In fact, if any of the published accounts have even an iota of truth, he's probably one of the most brain-dead specimens of a man that one could imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lignum
He is a fantastic cricketer, one of the best that has ever played the game, and will be missed when he does pull the pin. It's been a great pleasure to have been able to watch him do his stuff.
On the other hand, it will make sod-all difference to the team. Check out the results before, after and during those two years he was gone after his stupid drug incident. The team didn't even stumble, much as though the "commentators" would have you believe. Yes, he took lots of wickets, but he was just one member of a TEAM.
I'll miss his bowling when he retires, but my grandson won't even know who he was.
The king of spin is dead. Long live the new king, whoever he may be.
It's just a game!
P
:D :D :D
mmmm, heard that too. Would be a great shame if he does, i think he's got a couple more years in him.
However the circumstances for him to retire on an absolute high are as ripe as they will ever be at the boxing day test..
Maybe he wants to rebuild his family?
I reckon he should go as soon as he hits 700.... please go just go!!!!
Not my favourite person but a hell of a bowler!
Pete
Bah!
Warnies one of the greatest cricketers ever to hit the hallowed turf n is regarded as the greatest leggie of all time.
To say he wont or wasent even missed is a load of *&^$@)%^@^ good results from great teams dont mean that "The warnie factor wasent missed" 1st class cricket is more than just a game I dont see tiddley winks pulling hundred thou audiences to test matches.
The Barmie army, the aussie crowds the only sport to hold up the national news mmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaatttttttteeeeee crickets an institution in Aus not just a game!!!!!!!!
I cant understand the rabble that bag him etc etc. Unless you've lived with the guy for a few years how can you know what sorta bloke he is!
As far as cricketers go Warnies an immortal.
The first bowler to reach 700 wickets by this virtue alone is a cricketing god.
Of course he'll be remembered just like Bradman n the rest of the Aussie Cricketing Legends that those interested in the sport are prowd of
Perhaps though concepts that only true fans of cricket will understand!!!
This mighty Aussie legend will live on!!!!
Aussie Aussie Aussie OY OY OY!!!
:D:D:D:D:D
No, the guy is a tosser. Not in the Muttiah Muralitharan way.
Great bowler but I'm not sure I'll miss him.
And the published accounts are where? or do you have access to info we dont?Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
or are you talking about the Pommie press and some of our own so called great sports editors.
I remember when he came back from his little enforced holiday and played a game down at the Junction oval and he would have signed about 500 autographs for the kids. He spent so long with them.
Back page photo of the Hun next day? A photo of him under a tree (by himself) having a fag. Next day all the bitingmidges of the world were queuing up to shoot him down on the radio and papers. How discracefull it was, they were all saying.
Hear the opinion of his team mates and the cricket jurnos that know him well and they all say he is one of natures real gentlemen. A soft spoken lovable bloke who will do anything for anyone.
But you know best because you have the published accounts to back it up.
I was thinking the same as that Midge;) How a bowler with 699 test wickets realy make sod-all difference to the team. I didnt realise you are so knowledgable about cricket.Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
But then again, the results for the period of his enforced exile read....
West Indies 3-1, A shadow of the team they were but still managed the one win on a dead flat track that McGill went for 1-149 in the second innings.
Bangladesh 2-0 :eek: Zimbabwe 2-0 :eek: Yes Midge you are correct, we didnt stumble againsed these two juggernaughts - why did i ever doubt you.
India 1-1 , 2drawn His stats againsed India 43 @47 Its the only country where he isnt in the 20`s Then again MacGill averages 50 agaised them so The Great Man may well have been the difference in that series, but we will never know will we.
Then in the Great Mans first innings back with more scrutiny and preasuure on him than any of us could possibly imagin, took a fifer againsed Sri Lanka, shows just how great he realy is.
All you knockers can now come out and bag him and have your fun, but the sad reality is cricket and our summers just wont ever be the same again
What Midge said.
It's been a privelege to watch him ply his craft over the past 15 years or so.
The game probably won't see another bowler like him in my lifetime.
Personally I reckon that the Sydney test is a perfect time for his swansong.
To say he is a legend and on par with Bradman is an insult to "The Don" and all other cricketing legends.
He is a drug cheat who should have been banned, not just suspended.
He is a bit of a legend in other circles, ie pulling chicks, but he is by no means a great sporting role model.
Yes he has a great ability on the field, sometimes even with the bat.
Perhaps if we had a different media he would be portrayed in a different light but as it stands, his public wrong doings outweigh his cricketing brilliance.
Cheers, Jack.
Yes, Warne was an outstanding role model and is a really great bloke. The sort of bloke who takes a bribe from a bookie and who is a drug cheat.
The guy is a tosser.
Dunno why people expect sports persons to be paragons of all that is virtuous. The only thing that counts is performance on the field in the sport they have chosen and for which they are paid big big bucks. Who cares what they do off field - unless its a hangable offence. I don't watch these guys play and say "oh great shot Warnie you legend" and then "but too bad you can't keep your fly zipped"... These people (the blokes at least and some women maybe) are chock full of testosterone and in the prime of their lives. They gives us something worth paying to see. That's their job. Besides, it takes two to tango and I haven't read anywhere that Warnies a criminal S3x fiend. The only people who say he is a poor example to kids are over zealous parents of kids who couldn't give a toss. The critics are the real tossers. Rant over.
I do expect them not to take bribes and to cheat.Quote:
Dunno why people expect sports persons to be paragons of all that is virtuous.
Did Warne do that?? Point me to your reference cobber.. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
Surely you are aware that he was suspended for using a banned substance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedhand
Is that not cheating:confused:
Cheers, Jack
And for taking money from a book maker.
I would also like grunt to show where he was even implicated in relation to a bribe. David Hooks came out with the statement for his radio show and later retracted it.
Warnie was fined with Mark Waugh for giving weather and pitch infomation to a Indian bookie thats it. Hardly a hanging offence.
At the same time we all revel in the great story of Marsh and Lillie betting againsed us when we played the poms. Geeeze imagin if warne done that,
It was a bloody diuretic to help loose weight. How does that help a cricketer cheat. Especially one who enjoys beer, baked beans and cigars rather than 5am dips in the freezing waters off Frankston?? Have a look at some of the rubbish our AFL and ARL players shove up their noses. I've never heard of Warne being accused of cocaine, marijuana or meth abuse? Lets put his so called drug cheat label into some perspective here guys. They take diuretics to lose fluid and they drink PowerAde to replenish depleted body salts. Why is one a performance enhancer and the other not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack E
If he was fined for it, does that not mean he did something wrong.
All I am saying is that being fined for illegally giving info to a bookie as well as being suspended for using a banned substance surely makes him ineligible for legend status.
If he is put in the hall of fame the roof will probably cave in.
I do agree that he is a pretty good bowler, although I would like to see how many of his wickets come from "cleaning up the tail":rolleyes:
I don't suffer from tall poppy syndrome, in fact warne is the only Aussie cricketer I have a problem with.
Cheers, Jack.
Crikey that'd be a change....usually the other way around... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
Regardless of what one is and what the other isn't, one of them is on the banned substance list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedhand
That means that if you take it, you are a cheat.
I am sure we will hear in this thread that he was only taking it to lose weight.
Surely he has access to some of the best trainers in the world, if you are a professional sportsman perhaps you should take the time to put in the hard yards to stay in shape.
I am also sure we will hear "but my mum gave them to me".
Yeah, sure she did, perhaps wendells mum provides him with a razor blade and a mirror too:confused:
I think youl find its the class bowlers who can and do clean up the tail. I always remember big Joe Angel who was a sensational bowler and they say his major fault was his inability to clean up the tail. Thats why he never becaim a regular and was basicly banished to state level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack E
Anyone who tries to analyse Warnes bowling to sugest he is even slightly overated knows jack 5hit about the game
He does have great bowling figures, credit where it is due.
I still maintain that his tarnished record inhibits him from being a legend of the game.
But then I have just been told I don't know much about cricket.
Cheers, Jack
Absolutely correct!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lignum
As a bloke he may be a bit of a plonker, as a cricketer he is up there with the best who have ever played the game.
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Originally Posted by bitingmidge
Very well said Pedrovich, spot on... Warnie, get your 700 and sod off to Upper Wankovia or wherever you intend "retiring" to....
Sounds like a load of journlist beat-up, he proberly rang Bob jane to book his car in and the press picked up on his decision to re-tyre:rolleyes:
Mate - if they did I'd be doin' 10 to life.... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lignum
LOL
Listen to the wannabies BAG the leggie God out. I think I'll keep listening to his international peers who have played with him got to know him and admire him.
Comments like "The Best Ever" "The Greatest" etc etc etc Keep flowing from the mouth's of those with the credentials to Judge the MAn.
The Don was our greatest BAtsman N Warnies our greatest Bowler. He will remain a legend
The Baggers Flack will PAss by like the Wind
Next thing you blokes will say is Muralie dosent chuck
Shame Shame Shame
Aussie Aussie Aussie OY OY OY!
(Just in case some missed part of my previous post.)Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
Not a cheat? Ask his missus!
A great example to kids? Well not the way I want my kids/grandkids to grow up. I wonder what his own kids really think of him?
Slimming pills? Banned because they are a masking agent for steroids, used to hasten healing of injuries. Of course it's impossible to think that "our" Warnie actually did anything wrong on purpose while recovering from surgery, so I won't even suggest that there was the remotest possiblity, nor that his "sentence" has once again recently been criticised for its leniency.
This bloke is one tall poppy that doesn't need to be pulled down, he does a pretty fair old job of that himself.
If he wasn't so darned good at throwing a ball 22 yards, we wouldn't even have this thread!
cheers,
P
Perhaps I'm a heretic. Perhaps I'm a cynic. Perhaps I simply don't like the bloke, but I wonder what his admirers would think of the same performances by a shiela, and the 'names' applied to her?
Ooops! By the way, I'm an old bloke - way before women's-lib.
I wonder what the present-day journos would've been able to dig up on the olden-day heroes had they been around then. I'm sure there was heaps of shenanigans going on that the stiff upper lip crowd conveniently 'overlooked'.
Unfortunately for the current soprts stars, wheather they like it or not they are role models, and are looked up to by thousands of impressionable kids. Hopefully we don't have a generation of fag-smoking drug taking adulterating hair implant rooters as our future sports 'stars'.
I hope too that once Warnie's had a leg over half the western world's porkable shielas he doesn't find himself head-in-hands in some quiet lonely corner looking back at the time he had a great wee family and thinking "Look what I threw away, for a few(hundred) roots!"
Spin: 10/10 - self control: 0
THROWING Midge? :eek: Wash your mouth out! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
we just can't stand anyone acting like a normal man or woman any more
the A>C>B runs them like puppets .not even footy players can have a drink any more As for being a role model l think thats a perents job
my son and l love the spin king
arty
The Wanka, Who cares? I don't.
over 50% well over:cool:
LOL, great summary :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TassieKiwi
To many to count. One who comes to mind is the other "Great Man" Keith Miller, who from all reports lived an almost identicle social lifestyle as Warnie and he was also married, but back then the press done the right thing and kept his social life seperate from his sporting life and 99% of the public were non the wiser.Quote:
Originally Posted by TassieKiwi
Former teammate Bill O'Reilly considered Bradman cold and calculating, even anti-Catholic. Bradman was known to pass feilding instructions via a 3rd party on the field if it was to go to a Catholic because he wouldnt talk to them. Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack E
Read Bradman summaries from some former players and all this is well documented that he wasnt universaly liked and was grumpy and crabby man. He didnt even go to his own parents' funerals. Nice.
His stockbroking firm collapsed scandalously. He wouldnt drink with the rest of the team. The tightass wouldnt even share with his team mates the prize-money he earned for his own remarkable exploits (in a TEAM sport Midge)
Ian Chappell told how it was Bradmans extreme tight-fisted stinginess as head of the Australian Cricket Board that prompted Chappell and his team-mates to defect to Kerry Packer's World Series Cricket, nearly destroying the official game in the process. Nice.
So i think its unfair the anti-warne brigade tells us that he shouldnt be mentioned alongsie legends such as Bradman
As a cricketer Warnie is fantastic role model for young people. Some of warnies "non-raw-talent" attributes I can think of are;
Persistence: In these days when kids wilt at the first sign of difficulties warnie's "never say die" attitude is probably his best attribute.
Planning: Kids need it constantly demonstrated that raw talent only gets you so far, warnie demonstrates that you need to plan (your field) and decided carefully on what you are going to do before you do it (bowl).
Strategy and psyching out you opponent: goes with planning eg you give the batsman a couple or even quite a few easy ones and then you have a chance of bowling him around his legs.
Concentration: You can almost hear the gears going around in his head.
I reckon he is also a decent team player. I think that Cricket is a fantastic game for showing these attributes to kids and making (unfortunately) a small foil against the increasing "instant gratification" lifestyle that our kids seem to be adopting. If warnie contributes to this and I believe he does big time, then I "tips me 'at".
As for his personal life, I won't say anything as enough has been said already.
I have to disagree with you on one point, Midge. I think he will be remembered as a cricketing great long after the various scandals have been forgotten. His record on the pitch will stand for itself. I think your grandson, assuming he follows cricket, will know who he was, and probably his grandson too ;)
I reckon you've got that right silent. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by silentC