New Reputation Point system

Because of unrest among the minority ranks I have again revamped the User Reputation Point system, hopefully for the last time and hopefully to a even fairer and more equitable system.

From now on you can give reputation to anyone you like, anytime you like, within reason (up to 30 in any 24 hour period).

Points can now be given to the same person more than once. So you no longer have to share them around if you don't want to.

Reputation levels are set at the same as they were before this change but will stay that way with little or no chance of movement in the future.

All registered members will only be able to allocate 1 reputation point at a time. Moderators and Admin will allocate 20.

Neil

PS Everyone now has a base rep of 1,500 points. These points and those already accumulated by members, can and will be taken away on mass by Admin and Mods for infractions of forum rules, misuse of rep points, etc. etc.

I think the new points system sounds fair, but I suggest maybe that either all Rep points for everyone should be wiped and everyone has a clean slate, or some kind of dividing average applied to standing members totals.

Only reason I say this is because (i'm not sure how many points were originaly allocated for a greenie:o ) but for a newcomer, receiving 1 point at a time, will take a couple of centuries to reach the lofty heights of the 'Midgester' and 'Sir Oz'...

at worst, this is a "BUMP" for the thread which may have been missedhttps://www.ubeaut.biz/turnip.gif

G'day Neil
I reckon the principal aims of a forum such as this ought to be in no particular oder:

• to enable the exchange of information about woodwork and allied interests;
• to foster cameraderie among its members
• to promote learning
• to promote a welcoming attitude to newcomers

I also reckon the forum meets all of those aims.

One thing I can't get my head around is the need for "reddies".
Allowing members to 'hit' other members with 'reddies' promotes flaming.
If people need to flame each other for some insult, real or imagined, or unpopular view let them unload in the orange room.

A person who otherwise contributes usefully to the forum on woodwork stuff can have their reputation sullied by some goose with a thin skin or personal barrow to push.

Why don't you just dump the reddies and direct people to the orange room if they have a gripe.

Anyone out of line in the open forum will soon learn the error of their ways and in any event if enough people complain about them they can be barred by you or the moderators.

Cheers

I agree with Shedhand.

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Why don't you just dump the reddies

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You can't have one without the other.

I think one thing a lot of people don't realise is that a lot of this stuff is written into the BB software and Neil has no control over it nor can he change it.

Hmmm... so I dropped into the members list just to see if these changes are reflected in there. Did a sort on rep and checked both high & low reps.

:eek: Of 100 pages of members, the last 4 1/2 pages are black dots!! I didn't know moderators spawned like that...

Keeping in mind that Al said he turned his rep off, I went hunting for the switch. It doesn't seem that us mere mortals have that power... so all I can assume is either that a gremlin crept into the works and Admin has a cleanup on their hands... or there is a switch and it's time for me to visit my optometrist again!?

Coke bottle bottoms may work ;)


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Ahhhh... saved me some $$$. :) I really should wipe the sawdust encrusted shellawax off the lenses more often. :rolleyes:

Just had a look at what you were referring to. Bit sad really.

Not everyone is using the system unjustly / incorrectly.

Personally, I like seeing when one of my posts strikes a chord. Hiding you rep also hides from you what others have given back to you.

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Originally Posted by stuart_lees

Just had a look at what you were referring to. Bit sad really.

Not everyone is using the system unjustly / incorrectly.

Personally, I like seeing when one of my posts strikes a chord. Hiding you rep also hides from you what others have given back to you.

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I agree.

But I think that the other side to the discussion is the old advice, that if you can't say something positive, don't say anything. If this were applied, people with a lot of good reputation will show out and those who would get reddies under the current system woudl just have very low reputation relative to the number of posts they make.

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Originally Posted by ubeaut

Because of unrest among the minority ranks I have again revamped the User Reputation Point system, hopefully for the last time and hopefully to a even fairer and more equitable system.

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Gee Neil, just because we politely disagreed with one aspect of your last changes there is unrest in the ranks? :D :D :D

Good to see the change, now we can give greenies and feedback on a deserving post.


Peter.

Bugger the minority I say. Go back to the original system and everyone untie their knickers and take it the way it was intended in the first place, a bit of fun.

Dan

i agree with Dan.

but what ever changes are made i'm sure neil would have thought about them and seen they are for the best.

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Originally Posted by DanP

Bugger the minority I say. Go back to the original system and everyone untie their knickers and take it the way it was intended in the first place, a bit of fun.

Dan

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Firstly, I'm making this post as a senior member not as a moderator.

I'm personally sick of the continued whinging by some members about what goes on here. It is always the same few people and I believe they are making life hell for neil. He pays for this BB to exist yet some people throw tantrums every time he does or doesn't do something. To those of you that do this GROW UP!!

I would again like to refer to this post by another member that I think sums up perfectly what this place is about (for those of you that missed the topic at the time was swear-words on the forums).

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I've used this analogy before, you may find it helpful. There's a business (U-Beaut) that makes and supplies finishing products. It pays for a clubhouse where woodworkers and those even remotely interested in woodworking can get together and chat about their interests. The club doesn't directly benefit the business, but the owners are willing to pay for the running of the club for the goodwill it generates. There's a few discrete signs on the walls giving the business name, but no direct advertising.

In return for this openhandedness the owners and managers of this club simply ask patrons and visitors to abide by a few simple rules and "no swearing" is one of them. As has pointed out there's very good reasons for this. Even if there were absolutely no reason at all for any of the rules the fact that the club owner has set them should be reason enough. If you don't like the rules, and continue to misbehave then there's a good chance that the bouncer will grab you and throw you out the door.

The clubhouse is open to people from all over the world and of any age. There's quite a few regular members and some of them are founts of wisdom and knowledge, others are here to learn whatever they can, some are always good for a laugh and to lift the spirits, and some visit once to get help with a problem and are never heard of again. There's hand tool experts, machinery nuts, class clowns, tradesmen (and women) from a variety of trades, all willing to share their skills and knowledge. There's discussions that are very woody related and others that are totally unrelated. People enjoy coming to this club, and some spend hours here every day. It's got a friendly caring atmosphere and is always supportive of members that are experiencing any difficulties. In short, it's a great place to be.

The clubhouse also has an open door for anyone who just wishes to be a spectator, they're not even required to identify themselves. So visitors could be anyone old enough to manage a computer. Now imagine that into this cosy, friendly atmosphere comes someone who is loud and abrasive, swearing like a trooper and generally spoiling the atmosphere. When asked to abide by the rules he's miffed and shouts out that it's his right to act as he pleases. He's very assertive about his rights but hasn't a clue about his responsibilities.

I've worked in some pretty crude environments and can swear with the best of them but I try to temper my language around here and don't believe it's an infringement of my freedom of speech. If you came to my house and swore or blasphemed I would tell you quite firmly to desist and if you didn't comply I'd show you the door (with violence if required).
If you don't like how this club is run by its owners or managers then you're free to leave and start your own.

If you believe it's your right to swear and blaspheme you might want to head down to the ANZAC day dawn service next year and try it to see what happens.

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Rowan, quite right to refresh folks' memory of this. Good analogy.

Also, thanks to Neil for accommodating the whims of a few - hopefully enough time has been spent on this and we can get back to woody stuff - and a few funnies too.

I sure that Neil has given the reputation system some thought - probably too much thought and worry.

I think we should give it sometime to settle down before casting judgement. I suspect that we, the readers, will have to adjust how we award reputation points. I recall that some of the high posting / high reputation members were concerned that their points were hitting "too hard". The new system allows more even "hitting".

One thought, is that if we are only dishing out one point at a time, then maybe we need to be more active in handing out greenies/reddies each time we see something that is a positive/negative contribution to the forum.

Chris

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Originally Posted by Skew ChiDAMN!!

Hmmm... so I dropped into the members list just to see if these changes are reflected in there. Did a sort on rep and checked both high & low reps.

:eek: Of 100 pages of members, the last 4 1/2 pages are black dots!! I didn't know moderators spawned like that...

Keeping in mind that Al said he turned his rep off, I went hunting for the switch. It doesn't seem that us mere mortals have that power... so all I can assume is either that a gremlin crept into the works and Admin has a cleanup on their hands... or there is a switch and it's time for me to visit my optometrist again!?

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Found mine was turned off also,
go to user CP,

Edit Options

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Show My Reputation Level - Your current reputation level is displayed to other users whenever you post a message. If you would like to hide your reputation, disable this option.

Show My Reputation Level (tick the box).

Hey Presto, your reputation is now restored.


Kev M

Maybe we all need to take a deep breath and remember why we logged onto the forum in the first place. For me it's been a wonderful source of information and opened up the world of shooting boards and jigs, sources of tools etc that I would have never thought of. Perhaps logging on is a bit addictive but really the info from both the amateurs like myself and the few professionals who willingly give answers is why we find some fun and gain some valuable bits and pieces in the process. It wouldn't bother me if I was set back to zero, the greenies are more interesting for who they come from and the comments than the points they carry, aren't we getting a bit over excited and taking everything far to seriously on the matter of points. At least on this forum when we reply or even make a post that doesn't hit the mark or get it quite right we can gain from the collective comments (or brick bats) that follow, providing they do not end up over the top as they have on occassions.

Bring back Gumby I reckon,

John

Personally, I think the latest change may be for the better. Only time will tell, of course. But as things were I couldn't give greens to the posts I thought merited 'em without launching half-a-dozen frivolous ones first. ie. it just didn't work for me.

IMHO, the no. of rep points attached to the greeny is totally irrelevant... just receiving one, along with the comment, is enough to give you an indication of how your post was received by others.

If we get rid of reds, what is Zed going to do?

I only give green to members on wood related topics. I do find its a quid pro quo system as their are quiet a few of the regulars who post little or no wood topics and theirfore get no green from me, but if i post something wood related i never get the greens from them but mainly from those who i give green to.

Well said Rowan. Pity it needed to be said twice. People really do need to think about what the BB actually represents, and that is a great analogy.

I mostly give greenies- where warranted.
If I give a reddie, then I feel it really warrants it, and I will stand by and defend my opinion. Doesn't happen often, so when it does......

I am not sure if this is the right forum but I wonder why my greenies have been turned off. How do I turn themback on?

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Originally Posted by Grunt

If we get rid of reds, what is Zed going to do?

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Zed doesn't give a rats about the rep system, neither should you bleating hearts. if you take more out if the system then thats an issue you should address...

Analogy:
If you have a fish and a cross on the back window of your car, it doesnt mean I have to conform with your moral codes, neither should you be able to dictate or solicit others what stickers they have or should have on thier windows.

however I do have to conform with Neils rules - this I do, i hope.

Its a bit of fun. thats all.

get a grip guys - neil; just turn the bastards off.:mad: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Zed

neil; just turn the bastards off.:mad: :rolleyes:

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I'd love too but euthanasia's still against the law.

Cheers - Neil https://www.ubeaut.biz/mhihi.gif
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Perhaps a new simpler systme would make people happy.

I suggest.
You can give one greenie to anyone as long as you haven't redded them within four other greens or three reds in months with "R"s unles the red was associted with a green on the same thread when the green will count for two and the red half, providing the red was given after the green i which case the red will be one and the green two, notwithstanding the fact that greens will count as five to those members with a higher red green ratio than those to which they originally redded in which case the red will not count and the green will automatically double the next green in any proceeding red.


Simple right.




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We could just turn the bloody things off.

ernknot - The answer has already been given a couple of posts prior to yours and can also be found here: http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ad.php?t=33174

outback - sorry mate, Youth-in-Asia..... still against the law.
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Originally Posted by ernknot

I am not sure if this is the right forum but I wonder why my greenies have been turned off. How do I turn themback on?

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Actually read this thread, rather than just posting to it :eek:, and all will be revealed.

Bugger - hate it when Neil beats me to the punch!

Thanks Neil, that worked fine.

Errrmm... what gives?

I've tried a couple of times lately to shoot Doug a green and I'm still getting the $#%^ msg about "You must spread some reputation points around before..."

AFAICT I can fire one at everyone else. I think. Without actually wasting time trying, who really knows for sure? But Doug's definitely out of range. Glitch? He's built himself a firewall? Stealth mode?

funny you should mention that, Skew.

I thought i had misread the new rules. ive gotten the "gotta spread the love around" message several times since i thought it was gonna be obsolete.

been trying to send greenies to you, stu, and a few others but its been no go.

Not worth losing sleep over tho - probably 1-2 hours work to get the dust extractor and cyclone system up and running, would rather concentrate on that. if all is well there will be photos over the weekendhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ons/icon14.gif

True, but although I don't give out many greenies I would've thought I'd shot off more than the amount previously required by now. Maybe not... who counts? Perhaps I should start keeping a running tally? Nar, it isn't really worth the hassle. The fun's gone out of it all, anyway.

But if the requirement is gone, then there's a bug in the works and admin should at least know about it. Whether it gets fixed or not is up to them, but that's their problem. [shrug]