Do you agree with the Aussie ID card or are your civil liberties compromised by having one
A lot of other countries have ID cards , and with the changing times, international terrorism etc do we need ID cards or can we stay the same as we are.
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Do you agree with the Aussie ID card or are your civil liberties compromised by having one
A lot of other countries have ID cards , and with the changing times, international terrorism etc do we need ID cards or can we stay the same as we are.
The poll bit is missing,..
Al :)
Is this a POLL or a Pole? Who or what is a "yopu"? The wizard of ID rules! OK?
Oh, and I am never civil when I take liberties anyway...
I can't see why not. I've got nothing to hide (unfortunatley :rolleyes:)
We all know you like a pole.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopha
But what you get up to in the privacy of your bedroom with a stick is your business..
Al :eek: :D
Havent really been paying much attention to the talk on the ID card, what information are these things going to have that licences and things dont already have about us? How do they weed out terrorists? are they hard to make forgeries of or something.
Im sure theres a website with the answers if I could be bothered to look :p
Someone I know used to make fake driving licences to get into night clubs, .............not for driving purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by oges
It was dark and the bouncers didnt check too well..
So I would imagine it wouldnt be too hard to make an Oz Card.
If you want an Oz Card PM me................
Al :)
They don';t give one to terrorists, so if you don't have one, you must be a terrorist.Quote:
Originally Posted by oges
See, simple. I like it. If you haven't got one, you get shot.
Oges
My wife had her licence stolen a couple of years age , was renewed with her showing a visa card as refference , I have also heard of women who have applied for and gotten a new licence ( Saying it was lost or stolen) because they wanted a better picture
I don't think Drivers licences are that good
Maybe an ID card won't be any better , but it can't be much worse
Just because other countries have'em doesn't mean it's a good thing.
The law makers just have to mention terrorism and they can pass just about any law they want. The sedition laws that we have are something out of Berlin in the 1930s.
We are governed by people who use fear to keep them in power. It works a treat too. Both sides of politics are guilty as the other.
It'll be just a few years and Gumby will be right. Meybe they won't be shot but certainly detained, without trial and without legal representation. Don't laugh, these are the laws we have now.Quote:
Maybe an ID card won't be any better , but it can't be much worse
I don't see a real problem. Only crims and rich tax avoiding barstards will be against it. What does irk me though is that they'll squander a couple of tens of million dollars setting up an inquiry, writing reports, hiring consultants and badmouthing each other when the nsimple solution is right under their collective noses. Send everyone with a Medicare Card (which is all of us) a new improved Photo ID Australian Medicare Card and simply print our Tax File Number on it. When you retire the TFN converts to a Social Security number. The real bonus is that everyone still working will never lose track of their superannuation. Currently $8.1 Billion is being held in the Lost Superannuation Fund administered by the ATO. Privacy Laws prevent the super funds using tax file numbers to track down fund owners. Its a shonky way for the government (of all persuasions) to keep their greedy mitts on our money.:mad:
Getting down off the box now.:mad:
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Originally Posted by Ashore
Au contraire, mon brave! There's nothing wrong with my licences! People have been scamming their way into dodgy nightclubs with them for years.
Shed goQuote:
Originally Posted by Shedhand
https://superseeker.super.ato.gov.au...ult.aspx?pid=0
enter your TFN, date of birth, blah blah, and if your owed it will be here:D
I don't see what good it will do. Terrorist have been known to lie, cheat and produce fake Ids. I don't think that this will stop those who want to bad.
It will however make it possible for a government of the future to enact laws that will further errode our civil rights. If you look back in history, this is what facist governments have done. Our rights are erroded in small ways until we one day wake up and discover that we have none.
Nah, you cant be serious can you:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
Nah, he isn't. Terrorists aren't all bad. The ones that flew the planes into the WTC paid for theirt tickets at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwood
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Originally Posted by Gumby
but did they claim their frequent flyer points
Yeah, been there done that mate. The problem is, most of the money belongs to highly job mobile young people who dont understand super, don't care about it, don't read about it and therefore don't know they have money somewhere. If their (and our) TFN numbers were required to be included on super member application forms then any lost money would be automatically added to your account. Its just to simple for the stupid government to accept.:( You'd puke if I told you where the lost money eventually ends up and what happens with it in the interim.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by redwood
What will the OZ card do that the current tax file number system cant do??
it wont stop terrorists. The hijackers from 9/11 used their own names and identity papers.
Until someone can tell me how this small peice of plastic will legitamatly stop terrorism im against.
Lets put it bluntly, if someone is going to fly a 747 into a building or blow them selves up with explosives, How is an idenity card going to stop them???.
No i wouldnt, i dont get stressed about such things, i couldnt care less. my super is in order and thats all i worry about. if anyone cant find theirs bad luck for being careless. anyway when you have a half a cube of blackwood in the shed to play with why stress over such trivial matters:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shedhand
The best reason to be against the ID card is that Ruddock is for it.
Well, maybe not the best reason, but a quite good one.
Then the best reason for it is Peter Garrett is against it
Well, maybe not the best reason, but a quite good one.
Too TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by AlexS
Besides it's really easy to identify terrorists, everyone know they drive Pajeros or VW Kombis'.
Seriously why does the government think terrorists will not be legit aussie citizens, what we don't have enough disaffected marginalised people of our own all too willing to listen and get brainwashed by any fix it quick with violence propaganda marchant, that we'd have to import some illegal ones:rolleyes: .
A national ID card will not stop terrorism. It didn't stop the London attacks either. Even if the TFN is included it will not stop tax evasion, which is different from the legal tax avoidance, and it will cost billions and erode our freedoms.
Whilst the current government might be genuinely concerned about terrorism and think it will help in its fight against it, a future government will use it to suppress our already limited freedom.
Introducing a national ID card is a bit like changing our constitution. If the government is for it a thinking person would automatically reject it. Can't trust the pollies in that regard whatever their colour or party.
Peter.
Licences have been mentioned here a few times. Lets hope the ID card is administered a bit better than licences, I just renewed my Drivers licence for free by handing over my Pension Card.
Great, they just renewed a heavy vehicle drivers licence for a bloke on a Disability pension.
I didn't read this thread as specifically due to terrorism, but more as a sign of the times.
I agree with being able to clearly identify an individual if necessary, whether it be for police reasons, taxation or to claim benefits. Fingerprint/photo IDs embedded in chips in the cards (like the new passports) may help.
maybe we should just get ear tags like cattle ... MOOOO!! :D
The people who they want to catch can easily replicate or obtain a fake id anyway.
Next time you sign a credit card invoice see if the person actually checks your signature anyway.
All the card debate will do is waste more money, good for those who will make the money producing them etc.
And while it's in the headlines watch all the sneaky things that the gov gets through un-noticed.
Nah, bar code tattooed on the forehead is the way to go I reckon. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by oges
yep they love a nice smokescreen to hide behind while they do sneaky stuff. I can just see little johnny in the partyroom asking "how can we get this one through without it being noticed?" Someone will reply "just start up the australia card debate again." http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ons/icon10.gifhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ons/icon10.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by bennylaird
Wouldn't work, smile and it changes:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by craigb
Or get someone like Stoppers who could fit on enough barcodes for everyone on this forum:p
Just get everyone enlisted in the Armed Forces and all outsiders would be buggered then, except on a Wednesday.
The basic problem is human nature. There will always be those who feel the need for violence due to their life experience. Who is to say that a good wholesome caring life is the way it should be anyway, we just decide that we will make rules and religions to try and make it so.
But you will never get everyone to abide by rules. Can't even get footy and soccer suporters to agree to to disagry lol.
All we can hope is to do what your mind considers right and hope others have the same views.
Life involves a lot of luck. For example the guy who rips off your house does so because he needs to survive in his idea of life, crime is not wrong to him. How do you contend with those who have no sense of fairness?
"I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
So long and thanks for all the fish." :confused::confused::confused:
Benny, go back to the shed!!:D:D:D
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Originally Posted by Shedhand
So long and thanks for all the fish is what the Dolphins said as they returned to their planet. But who cares? :D :D :D
(hitch-hikers guide to the Galaxy)
A classic hey? No Iwas querying the apathy. :D I always thought cowboys were gay!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by bennylaird
And no one picked up one the Wednesday, bit slow out there.........
(I do care but don't let on, ok?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedhand
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Originally Posted by Iain
I assume everyone new that to attack on a Wednesday would be the way to go cos everyone is on a sportie?
Same as attacking Malaysia on a Friday morning when they are all at prayer.