This entity is banned...trfaantihtuh23
Been lurking past few days...
Log Dog :)
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This entity is banned...trfaantihtuh23
Been lurking past few days...
Log Dog :)
As I type there is a banned lurker on the forum
That be phanhabang222
He is from vinh loc
His birthdate is 15/11/1990
He is banned
Also another entity by the name of leducchinh2323 on the forum now
He is from chac chan (fictitious location)
His birthdate is 15/11/1990
Same as the fellow above
His email awaiting confirmation BTW
Look suspicious?
I've done my math...I reckon it's the same bloke
Creepy...
Log Dog :~
OK. I’m curious. Why is lurking a bad thing?
I said 'banned lurker' jack620Quote:
Originally Posted by jack620
You work it out...
Log Dog :)
Both have now exited the forum or been removed by admin
They were mentioned as I regarded them (or rather him) as suspicious
Potential spammer?
Someone stealing data or looking to cause security issues?
Fact is this person was banned...no doubt for good reason!
And of course members are encouraged to report any suspicious activity in order to keep the forum safe(r)
Lurkers included :q
Log Dog :)
They're back online...
Log Dog :)
If they are banned, how can it be that they logged in and online ?
Lord knows BradQuote:
Originally Posted by Ironwood
Admin could maybe shed some light on that
Log Dog :)
I've tried, but I still can't work it out. There doesn't seem to be any rule against lurking in the Forum rules. If the 'lurker' has been previously banned under a different username for breaching the rules, can they be banned under a new username if they don't breach the rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by Log Dog
Unrelated, but while reading the TOU, came across this:
DON'T LIE:
We hate people who lie to us... If you come from India, say so, don't say you are in Melbourne. Don't lie.
You can come from India and still be in Melbourne.
Sorry to appear an idiot, but what is a lurker?
I thought lurking was just sitting in a forum but not posting, but I'm assuming a different definition is used in order for these people to be banned.
Regards,
Adam
yeah, I’m wondering too, maybe lurking has changed it’s meaning these days, like sick 🤒 Lurk all you like if that’s your thing but lurking with ill intent well that’s a different kettle of whatever. Are fish still fish? Is this a woodworking forum, bloody hell things are strange!Quote:
Originally Posted by taz01
Users that have been banned cannot post here. But if they try to log in, the system will show that banned user as logged online as the system has to recognise the username to effectively tell that user that they have been banned and eventually the system will auto log the user out after an hour or 2.
They cannot access anything, they’ll just get a automated message saying you been banned etc etc.
But both users have different IP addresses, yes it looks suspicious but could be a genuine poster, we always operate on them being a genuine poster unless they have been flagged by anti spam software or they post with spam, affiliate websites etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Log Dog
Interesting is the fact that both exited the forum at the same time early last night ...then appeared again at the same time a few hours later and stayed until after midnightQuote:
Originally Posted by DJ’s Timber
Then both appeared on the forum at the same time this morning
Log Dog
DJQuote:
Originally Posted by DJ’s Timber
One device can have multiple IP addresses
And there are numerous ways to achieve this apparently
Just trying to 'keep a lid on the garbage' :;
Log Dog
AdamQuote:
Originally Posted by taz01
Lurker meaning...
Essentially someone who lurks on the internet via chat rooms
forums etc without participating
And if one is BANNED then they can't participate can they?
They are lurking!
Log Dog
Tell me why would a new username indemnify a person for previously breaking the rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by jack620
Same TOOL...different toolbox that's all!
Log Dog
Lurk all you like if that’s your thing but lurking with ill intent well that’s a different kettle of whatever. [/QUOTE]
Springwater
In essence...that's precisely what I am saying!
Log Dog
And both logged in tonight within minutes of each other!
Suspicious much...
Log Dog
Late but not lamented follow-up to Log Dog's original post.
phanhabang222 - leducchinh2323 and also quochuu99 have all now been aggressively banned.
Users information has been submitted to Akismet database and StopForumSpam.com database, and all posts PMs etc deleted.
quochuu99 had the same IP, same registration date and similar DOB as the other 2.
All 3 were from Vietnam and most likely the same person, here to spam/make money off click bank referrals or cause other problems. None of those names should not be seen on here again.
As for being lurkers, after being banned. If they had not logged out when they were banned they would still be shown ad being on line but would not be able to post, send PMs or do anything much other than see the basic threads and posts. No pics or anything else.
Cheers - Neil :U
Leducchinh2323 and phanabang222 back on forum this morningQuote:
Originally Posted by ubeaut
He's persistent...
Log Dog:)
phanabang222 wasn't on but phanhabang222 was.
I would suggest that neither have ever logged out just left when done when they come back again their remembered with cookies on the computer so it appears they are online.
They are as of now blocked from access to all forums. Which they weren't before however they were blocked from everything in the below list of permissions for each and every forum. So I don't think I'd be too worried about them.
To top it off I changed the password for each of them a little while ago which should stop them from being recognised even if their login is remembered in their cookies.
Can View Forum No Can View Thread Content No Can View Others' Threads No Can Search Forum No Can Use Email to Friend No Can Post Threads No Can Reply to Own Threads No Can Reply to Others' Threads No Can Edit Own Posts No Can Delete Own Posts No Can Delete Own Threads No Can Open / Close Own Threads No Can Move Own Threads No Can View Attachments No Can Post Attachments No Can Post Polls No Can Vote on Polls No Can Rate Threads No Follow Forum Moderation RulesIf no, posts are always placed into moderation queue No Can See Deletion Notices No Can Tag Own Threads No Can Tag Others' Threads No Can Delete Tags on Own Threads No Can See Thumbnails No Can Define Arbitrary Styles for Inline Attached Images No Exclude From Double Post Merges No Can View Who Read a Thread
Cheers - Neil :U
Just went through the list of subscribed users on line in last 24 hrs and of the 481 users the 3 lurkers did not show up.
A few days ago I noticed 3 new members online that all had suspicious names :rolleyes:
One of them is dinhdohang1985...online now
As is NGUYENDUNG1999
All awaiting email confirmation
What made me even more suspicious was their stated location
dinhdohoang1985 location is 09092355536
NGUYENDUNG1999 location is 0909235566
The other ones location was identical except last 2 numbers were different eg 09092355526...a Vietnamese mobile phone number!
They all disappeared off the forum at the same time as well
I smell a rat...or 3 :C
Log Dog :)
There's more...all online now
suckhoegd1999
Location...0909235577
phuongho1854
Location...0909235536
luatthai1994
Location...0909235536
All similar D.O.B
All awaiting email confirmation as well
Thoughts :?
Log Dog :)
List of sleepers (potential spammers/clickbankers) from Vietnam has just grown somewhat larger in the last hour or so whilst doing some deep diving in the back room.
9 more were aggressively banned today, all joined up in March 2022 most on the 4th couple of others at later dates in March.
suckhoegd1999
dinhdohoang1985
NGUYENDUNG1999
Baotinnhanh2018
Thuy Duong2015
hieuduong2016
luatthai1994
phuongho1854
luatthai1994
levantien 2019 another one!
Online now...
Log Dog :)
Like taz01 I must be missing something - what problems/issues have these "lurkers" been causing?
anchinguywen1963 yet another one...
Log Dog :)
Potential spammers/clickbankersQuote:
Originally Posted by Mobyturns
They pose a security risk to the forum as well MT
Neil perhaps could offer you a more detailed explaination if required.
Log Dog :)
I had never heard of “clickbankers” before, so I goggled it. There is such a thing as Clickbank, which is an online thing that people can join for a fee and somehow make a bit of money.
I know I’m a bit thick when it comes to such things, but I can’t work out how it relates to the forum :? .
Same here, it’s all getting too much for me, [emoji3064].Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironwood
Cheers Matt.
Matt...put simply!Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplicity
There are folk lurking on the forum,banned or otherwise,that are causing (potential) harm/mischief
Spammers,hackers and the like.
We as members are encouraged to report suspicious activity
I have actively done that!
Not rocket science...just keeping a lid on the garbage!
Hoping Neil can offer an extended explaination
Log Dog :)
Neil hopefully can shed some light on that question Brad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironwood
Fact is...quite a few of these individuals are already 'banned' and shouldn't be on the forum period!
Log Dog :)
I accept and encourage that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Log Dog
But I am curious as to what they can gain by their actions ?
Thanks Log dog, that’s make sense, an yep good on you for keeping the B……….. out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Log Dog
I honestly don’t get why these W……… don’t find something better too do than just being Key board warriors(F……. W…..), I just don’t get that.
Cheers Matt.
They are probably the Vietnamese equivalent of the 40-year-old virgin still living at home with mum, never come out of their bedroom, skin has never seen the sun, never had a girlfriend or a job, just sitting at their computer eating junk food and drinking coke. And obviously they don't have a shed to go and work in to keep themselves occupied so they hang around the forums of people who actually do productive stuff because that makes them feel good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplicity
Keep up the good work Log Dog and thanks Neil, for keeping them out.
Succinctly put Doug!Quote:
Originally Posted by doug3030
Thank you for your supportive words too.
Appreciated :2tsup:
Log Dog :)
One response to all questions.
These people or this person as it is possible that it could be one person. Has/have signed up mostly on the same day or same few days numerous times and even years apart.
Sometimes initially to create havoc, flog their own site (often toxic, or or worse and yes there is worse) However over the las few years many are using forums and blogs and other social media to sneak in links to clickbank sites.
Contrary to what is said many of the click bank / click bait sites pay extremely well for the links these people sneak on to sites. Many of them will pay up to 30% of sales made to the click baiter who was responsible for the link and sale.
One of the worst that has been caught and their click bankers banned numerous times was Teds 16,000 Woodworking Plans which I'm sure many if not most will have seen briefly on here or hundreds of other sites Check out this woodworkweb.com scam page for info re Teds and it's far from the worst one.
The people that have been recently deleted yes and even the few that haven't posted from March 2022 are a blight to forums and blogs. This forum has been under attack for around 12 years now with may thousands being caught and deleted by me and moderators, not to mention the below deletions and preventions shown below and available at the bottom of home page for all to see.
Spam-O-Matic Statistics
649851 Spammers Denied Registration
...1494 Spammers Permanently Banned
...1522 Spammers submitted to StopForumSpam
...1593 Spammers submitted to Akismet
...15893 Spammy Posts Automatically Moderated
The first figure in the above list 649 million 850 thousand gives you a bit of an idea as to what we're fighting against daily and the ones deleted in this thread are just a drop in the ocean of the lurkers/sleepers that are still hidden, unseen in our member list.
Hopefully all the above is of help to those who don't know what the problem is and why these people should be banned.
Lurkers, aren't a problem: :D We have many lurkers who have been registered for many long years and never posted, but regularly view the forums to keep themselves informed, find an answer to problem, or are just too shy or timid to post, etc.Lurkers with intent, are a proble: :~ As per all the above we can't and don't catch them all when they register and the mongrels are getting more clever with their registrations over the last few years when they realise there is money to be made as a clickbait poster or spammer if you can sneak in a few links, even for a couple of hours before being caught and all will be caught sooner or later.
We have had as many as 250,000+ member register over the past 23+ years, but over those years I have culled and mods have culled almost half of them. Not all spammers, etc. but many who registered and 5 years later had never been back since they registered or may have used bogus emails, etc.
I reckon all the above pretty much says it all or at least enough.
Cheers - Neil :U
Thank you Neil. The work you guys do behind the scenes is incredible and very much appreciated.
I for one never associated a lurker as a "lurker with intent." Like most forum members, I understand that innocent lurkers probably outnumber active members 50:1 or more on most forums.
If they ("lurkers with intent") are inserting links to nefarious or scam sites such as Ted's Woodworking then I guess technically they aren't a "lurker". :D
I guess if we are more vigilant as members and report suspect "members" or posts we can make your roles a little easier.
Thank you.