Are Aussies losing their vernacular 'Shed' for 'Shop?
It seems to me that this has been happening a little bit - possibly due to repeatedly hearing 'shop' on YouTube.
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Are Aussies losing their vernacular 'Shed' for 'Shop?
It seems to me that this has been happening a little bit - possibly due to repeatedly hearing 'shop' on YouTube.
It could also be that more of us are fortunate enough to have something better and larger than the "shed" in the back yard as used to be the case.
I am set up in a double garage, which is hardly a shed, and I usually refer to it as my garage/workshop.
I prefer to use the term workshop based on the following:
- My experience is that "workshop" is not an Americanism, but rather the default of most English speaking countries. Which would make "shed" an Anzusanism (Australian & New Zealand).
- It offers clarity to a wider part of the English speaking population, and by extension those for whom English isn't their first language.
- Workshop isn't structure specific. A basement, spare room, garden shed or separate building can all be called a workshop, whereas calling several of them "a shed" would cause most, even locals to rub their chin and look at you oddly.
I really like Derek's choice of nomenclature in "Woodshop". It just feels warm and inviting to my ear.
I think it's a bit of a numbers thing.
Something like 330 million Americans cf about 26 million Aussies.
It's natural to hear a lot more from the numerically greater;
and inevitable that some of that culture will spread.
No judgement in that, just how I see it.
I have the following sign on the door of my shed.
It was acquired when a clean air laboratory at uni was closed down in the early naughties.
Anyone that has been inside my shed will know the surfaces are far from "clean" although the particle counter tells me the air is as clean as the air outside the shed.
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However, I do like the term "Laboratory" because;
- I do lots of experiments in there
- it reflects my Italian heritage as "Laboratorio" is a commonly used term for "workshop".
My fitter and turner uncle in Italy referred to his home workshop as a Laboratorio.
In practice I prefer to use "shed" when talking about my setup because;
- I do a variety of different things in there and no single thing (eg woodwork) dominates my activities,
- I still have to store junk and gardening tools in there
- SWMBO has a bench on which she occasionally does various (dirty - dusty) crafts etc
- its always cramped and very messy, whereas to me a "shop" is an airy, open, organised space.
Shed = no
shop = no
sanctuary = yes :):)
Mine is a shed. Within my shed is a 1965 MGB and the family car in one half with my woodworking area in the other half. There is also a ride-on mower, lawn mower, whipper sniper, CNC machine and other sundry items. As such it is a garage, garden/storage shed, workshop and mental health retreat - shed. In other words a multi function shed or MFS. It is commonly referred to as Poppy’s Shed.
My opinion on the subject is that we are going to lose our "Australianess" if we pick up other words in conversation.....words like "lumber" instead of timber, "2 X 4" instead of 4 X 2, etc to my ear it grates. I have mentioned this subject on here previously, so its not new. I live in a house with a shed in the back yard. When reading posts on here that have (mainly "Americanism Names") I wish that people would realise that we call things differently.
I am hoping we don't lose our (Aussie) names for things
I will get off my soap box and slither back under my rock
You sell things in a shop. :cool:
The only time I use the word shop is when I say I'm going to the tool shop for essential supplies for the shed
For me it is a contextual thing.
At my previous home I had two sheds; a 6x12m shed where my tools etc were housed and I mostly did my woodwork, and a 3x6m galvanised "lawnlocker" where I stored timber and gardening implements. When we lived there the 3x6 was called the shed and the 6x12 was called the workshop, just to make communication easier.
At the current place I have one 6x15m shed - known as "The Shed".
Now that's the terminology I use when talking to family and friends, including fellow woodworkers, but if I am talking to someone I am doing a commissioned piece for, I refer to my workspace as "the workshop" - even if it's a broom cupboard I am working in at the time.
Bit of a late reply to Bob’s post re his sign on the shed door.
I have a large shed it’s actually a ridgy didge factory in my backyard.
I guess I say to the missus I’m going out to the workshop to pot around nowadaze.
I have a few signs in it just to confuse and amuse any of the great unwashed who venture in
Enjoy.
H.
Or is that a 'store'? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzie
Mine's definitely a shed. It's stand-alone and made of wood.
Pete
I agree, Henry has the best collection of shed signs I’ve seen, theyre great and really add characterQuote:
Originally Posted by clear out
No. You keep things in a store for later use. You might however buy something in a shop rather than sell there.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodhutt
My workshop is more store than shop. :D
From the OEDQuote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzie
"store - a large shop where goods are sold" :D:D
I use both the terms "shed" and "workshop," but differ from the Americans in that I never use the term "shop made." There I tend to use "home made," but in reality I don't like the phrase: Even less do I like the American phrase, but that is more to do with my own prejudice against adopting Americanised English. George Bernard Shaw had a go at introducing phonetic spelling, but it didn't catch on with the Poms. The Americans however did run with this, ( I am not sure that they credited Mr Shaw with this approach) but they were already experiencing grammatic issues and it was a solution that saw an immediate improvement in their spelling test results.
:)
Regards
Paul
I think a workshop is a place equipped to do work, generally manual. It may be housed in a shed or another place. So I can be either in my workshop or in my shed, same thing. The possessive distinguishes it from THE shed which houses other things.
The American abbreviation "shop" hasn't crept into the vernacular...yet.
mick
Shed always was always will be, in my opinion, I had a long spirited discussion the other night with a fellow convincing him there is no such joint as a Dado joint.
Neither,
I prefer a place i go to worship the gods of tools, and prey for guidance and acceptance for my twisted and deprived soul,
Den of iniquity.
Cheers Matt.
Interesting to see the BBC brit show calls it a "repairshop"
In fairness, Paul, there was a reasonable run of attempts at modernisation in Australia. That is why the Labor party is spelt that way (not Labour).
As with most things in language, it all gets quite murky when you start digging. Many "Americanisms" are in fact traditions that carried across from England, but where American left things the way they were and England modernised. What we come to know as "Americanisations" are in fact just Americans leaving language adopted from England in place.
An example is "attorney" to refer to what would be a solicitor in Australia or England. It used to be "attorney" in England until the late 19th century, but then England unified the profession into "solicitor". The American word has a much longer history. There are numerous other examples I have noticed over the years.
For that reason I am much more forgiving of "Americanisms" at a general level - for all you know it was the term used for centuries until poms changed it relatively recently.
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Originally Posted by Bushmiller