TV: Ink Master

Whilst I have no tattoos (a promise I made 23 years ago, and I'm a man of my word...except for that one of Neil on my butt...) I've always wanted one and carried around a drawing of mine for a few years in my early 20's of a back piece I wanted.

Anyhoo...I've been binging big time on Ink Master...so many fails in skill, tactics and personalities, but also so many awesome pieces of art.

Anyone else into it?


Personal highlights: Seasons 5 and 8 (so far). There's some drama and honest surprises in S5. S8 has some funny quips between Peck and Nunez and GO GIRLS!!!!! http://www.slak.com.au/phpBB3/images...es/biggrin.gif
Season 6 also had some pretty great moments...yay Chris and honor/tactics http://www.slak.com.au/phpBB3/images/smilies/blues.gif

The Ink Master Redemption series is also not bad for a quick recap/re-tatt of previous fails and some epic tantrums from both artists and canvases.

Dave Navaro's forced/repeated script gives me the freaking irrits, but aside from that...it's like Masterchef for Art http://www.slak.com.au/phpBB3/images/smilies/love.gif

I detest tats with a passion

I did have a long diatribe about my reasons (for no tatt)/value of art/name recognition...but to put it simply, and most certainly without personal criticism (coz, y'know, I AM neutral and accepting about most everything)....why Ray? I'm genuinely, and non-critically, interested....as I am with most others' opinions.

Several reasons, not all applicable to every tat individual, each has there own reason
1. Low self esteem of recipient
2. Want to be accepted as one of the crowd
3. Want to be noticed and stand out
4. Like getting in your face
5. Think more of themselves rather than others
6. Its not natural, the body is perfect in its own form, warts and all
7. Age does not enhance the images
8. A lot of the "messages" are crude, vulgar and disrespectful
9. The position of some of the tats is questionable
10. For those that get them where they cant see them without the use of a mirror.......go figure that one

I know others will ridicule me but these are my reasons and no one has to agree.

SWMBO is an avid fan of tattoo shows. But then again she watches all manner of hoarding, weddings, weight-loss, makeover, baking, talentless, unreality TV etc so it's nothing unusual.

I'm the opposite, I'm a channel flicker, round and round the channels for about 20 minutes once a day and then give up and go find something else to do.
I find it real hard to watch more than about a 1/4 of a movie in one sitting.
As far as tattoo shows go, I have watched about 2 minutes worth and that should last me for as long while.

As far as Tatts go I've never felt the urge and others can of course do what they wish.

One reason I thought "Die Scum" might make a good forehead tattoo would be you'd probably be permanently exempted from jury duty but unfortunately if you stared at the wrong person for a fraction of a second too long you also might regret it.

Chap rolled up at our door the other day, covered in tats and a face only a blind mother could love.
He was brandishing a red purse - my wife's! "I think you may have lost this."
The $500 was still inside. My wife had not noticed the purse missing.
Never judge a book by its cover.

I don't personally like tats, swore I would never have them.

But then about 7 years ago I got 7 in one session, being the aiming dots for the radiation treatment I was to undergo to fight my cancer.

Still have the tats but not going to show them.:U

Peter.

I knew a guy once who had a couple and he had his own ambivalent opinion of them. He was however forthcoming on liking the process of getting a tat. He enjoyed the pain of going under the needle. I suggested he should just get a regular leg wax instead. :D

One of the many things I don't understand is rather pretty girls getting random ugly tats that have no symmetry and clash with just about any outfit they wear. The same girls seem to be blind to the tats when they are primping and preening about an outfit, its colour balance and the accessories. Go figure!

Leviticus 19:28New King James Version (NKJV)

28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.

Politics and religion have no place here.
RSG, I have a couple of seasons of Miami Ink on DVD. Bought them for $1 from a video store that was closing down. Really enjoyed them. Very entertaining.
Two of my kids have tattoos, the third isn't old enough yet and I think they, for the most part, look great. I don't have any...yet....but there are a few in the future.

I have to say that I have zero interest in getting a tattoo (the pain of hitting my self on the thumb with hammer is more than enough for me), however seeing what these artists are achelieving is bloody unbelievable. The detail and shading they exhibit is outstanding. IF these guys ever pick up a pyrography pen I think they would give a lot of people a run for their money.

I also like how they concentrate more on the artwork and technique more than the personal relationships of the contestants.

I also prefer the style of show where they are showcasing an accomplished artist in the genre rather than someone trying to break into the scene.

This is what really gets my goat about masterchef and the like. 'I have a food dream' etc etc.... do an apprenticeship and then you can actually call yourself a chef after doing the hard yards!!
For this reason I prefer the us show 'top chef' as they are already chefs, looking to further their career.....

Oops, looks like I started ranting.....sorry.....

But yes redshirt guy, it may be a bit of a waste of time, but it's a heck of a lot better than a lot of other crap on TV.

In short

Thumbs up from this household, bUT keep the needles away from me

Gab

Back in 2003 I took the family up to Brissy for the wood show. I went into the Show while the wife and the two kids got a cab into the CBD. The eldest daughter would have been 16(?) and they found a Tattoo Parlor. She had been "wanting" a Tatt for sometime. Well they walked in and the guy who ran the place, who looked like a Hells Angel, listened to the daughter's request and told her flat....he refused to do any Tatts on someone so young! He told her that it would make her job hunting difficult because so many people would not like to see the Tatt. He explained that IF he did one it would be placed on her arm or leg in a place that would be easily covered by a garment without looking like she was in disguise. My wife was very releaved.

Well move ahead 4 years, the daughter was working by then and took a friend to a local Parlor and got a rose on her shin about 4" tall. It was coloured. We weren't pleased. Move on another 4 years....yep she wished she never had it. The colour is going and its turning mostly blue and doesn't look as "crisp" as it did when it was first done

AS far as those shows that BobL listed....I can't stand them and will not watch them. I can't stand to be in the same room when the wife has that bloody Kevin McCloud on Grand Design.
He is so smug and a bloody know it all as well as giving our speech a new word...."the build".

Times change. Tattoos are no longer just for sailors and criminals

People with full sleeve tattoos used to make me nervous, now they make me cappuccinos. :rolleyes:

Cheers

Doug

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Originally Posted by NCArcher

Politics and religion have no place here.

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Even though I think it is a very myopic view, point taken.

Let's consider another angle - my father always told me stories of during WW2, prisoners when caught (on both sides) were singled out and sought for interrogation because of their tattoos. Generally they did not survive. In fact there are verified stories of many being skinned for their 'artwork'.

He saw too much, and always told me to never ever 'mark' myself with an identifying symbol/picture, and try to remain as anonymous as possible.

Sage advice, as I see individuals being identified by their 'artwork' today by various government departments and media outlets. Food for thought.

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Originally Posted by cava

Leviticus 19:28New King James Version (NKJV)

28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.

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I agree with NCArcher, but by way of explanation, when Adam was a boy the local folk didn't get tatts of their local football teams, they tended to be of their local gods (much the same as our local footy hero's today :D ) This used to get the local priests offside hence the ordinance.

I've told my kids I'll get a small red V tattooed on my chest when St George and the Swannies win a premiership in the same year.

I've seen a lot of tatts in my job and there is a difference between the cosmetic trendy tatts our younger people tend to get and the stuff from the dark side.

TT

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Originally Posted by NCArcher

Politics and religion have no place here.

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Originally Posted by cava

Even though I think it is a very myopic view, point taken.

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Myopic? Perhaps. But it is also very explicitly covered in this forum's ToU:

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10.0 - Politics, Religion restriction

As a general rule we do not allow discussion of politics or religion because of their contentious nature. At election time we may allow one (1) political thread

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You can read them in full here:

https://www.woodworkforums.com/f90/wo...ons-tou-198339

Some great tales and opinions here folks. Thanks...I didn't expect it.

I'm very much an "each to their own" kinda guy and do my best not to "judge a book by it's cover". Heck...I used to have hair down to my butt and always wore black clothes and a leather jacket. A very good competition karate fighter I got to know told me that he used to be scared of me just by my appearance (even though he could undeniably kick my ass to kingdom-come) but once he knew me he realised that I was just a giant teddy bear (his words).

I just enjoy the show, magazines and the bits of artwork I see on people for the epic skill required to create the images. Most certainly there are A LOT of absolute pieces of rubbish on people...I fear more than there are good.

Although Ink Master does have its problems with "editing for drama", if I can get myself past that and just look at the work, I find it quite enjoyable watching the creation of the odd piece of astounding artwork...and the lifetime scarring of poor suckers with absolute crap.

There certainly are dodgy and immoral tattooers as well as clients out there, and boy have I seen some utter garbage in my time, and I think that they do ruin it for the few that are what I would consider premier artists and canvases that go well above and beyond "ink for the sake of ink".

I love the idea of getting a tattooer into pyrography. I think some could produce some amazing art works. Some of the Flash Challenges on Ink Master have shown that a very select few truly are creative and adaptable artists...the art is inside of them and the medium just doesn't matter.

I had a friend in the Army a long time ago who had been a tattooist prior to enlisting. He was covered in tattoos over 99% of his body below the neck.

At the time when he was tattooing (late 1970's/1980's) the kung-fu/martial arts thing was all the go. All the "tough guys" wanted to get tattooed with Chinese writing. They did not seem to care what it said apparently as long as it was Chinese, it looked tough.

He found an imported can of Tuna with "Nett weight 450 grams" written on it in Chinese. The rest is history.

Today there's probably several 60 to 70-year-old former tough guys wandering around Sydney with "nett weight 450 grams" tattooed on them in Chinese.

Cheers

Doug

Never watched any of the shows, wouldn't get a tattoo on myself, and probably have an innate and irrational prejudice against those with tatts...
However:
When I worked in PNG one of our trainees, from the Sepik, had amazing artwork on his body, not as tattoos but as cicatrices - raised scars. These were done when he was about 14, using a sharp pointed stick and rubbing ash into them. They were part of his initiation into manhood. His was one of the last generations to have this done.

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...cicatrices - raised scars....They were part of his initiation into manhood. His was one of the last generations to have this done.

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The tribalism aspect of this is probably the birth place of tattooing.

No doubt that kind of scarification at a young age is seen in modern times as a barbaric act of mutilation, but cultures are what they are, and that he is one of the last generations is kinda sad for that one.

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Myopic? Perhaps. But it is also very explicitly covered in this forum's ToU:

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You can read them in full here:

https://www.woodworkforums.com/f90/wo...ons-tou-198339

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Understood, and my apologies to any who may have been offended by my quote from a best selling historical book.

It was not my intent to be contentious or ferment an adversarial position, but a genuine desire to contribute another limb to the discussion.

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Understood, and my apologies to any who may have been offended by my quote from a best selling historical book.

It was not my intent to be contentious or ferment an adversarial position, but a genuine desire to contribute another limb to the discussion.

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Personally I lay claim to no religion. I took your quote in the manner you explain that you intended it. It was relevant to the discussion in that whether you believe in an imaginary friend or not, our society has its foundation in christian beliefs and standards of behavior. I acknowledge that other religions are becoming prominent in Australian society and a similar relevant quote from the tomes of any other religious belief would have been just as relevant.

There's a difference between dogmatic belief in any religion's scriptures and principals of a religion being used as a moral compass.

I have two, a lady on one arm and a swallow on the other.
got them when I was 14 - 15. I rarely notice them now, I got them because my next oldest brother had quite a few
and I thought they looked good.

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Originally Posted by Fuzzie

I knew a guy once who had a couple and he had his own ambivalent opinion of them. He was however forthcoming on liking the process of getting a tat. He enjoyed the pain of going under the needle. I suggested he should just get a regular leg wax instead. :D

One of the many things I don't understand is rather pretty girls getting random ugly tats that have no symmetry and clash with just about any outfit they wear. The same girls seem to be blind to the tats when they are primping and preening about an outfit, its colour balance and the accessories. Go figure!

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I"m with you Fuzzi!! I once asked a girl who had tattoo of Tantanka Yotanka on her upper arm if she knew who it was. She did not ( no real surprise) but got it because she "felt sorry for the Indians""!!!!! I asked if she would get a tatto of Jack Charles ( "Who's he?") explanation given and then "Why would I feel sorry for the Aborigines?"".

Nuff sed!!

Apparently I have some Tatts inside my bowel showing where the greeblies are. Unless they got taken out by the surgery.

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Originally Posted by ivanavitch

Apparently I have some Tatts inside my bowel showing where the greeblies are. Unless they got taken out by the surgery.

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Please, no photos!