Black shellac

Hi boys and girls.
If you need a black shellac finish, much like the finish on Japanese woodwork.
Then just get hold of some old 78rpm records ( the brittle ones ) and break em up.
Once broken up stickem in a pot and pour metho onto em.
They will melt down and you simply brush the goop onto your work.
As usual you will try this on a test peice first. :eek:

Cheers, Al :)

Sounds like a good finish for a music box

Ive tryed it on an ordinary box and it comes up byoodyful.

I also put some on a spanner today to see if it will pass as japaning.

Al :)

Turning Japanese? Yes, I think so.

... and the best place to buy old 78's is??? ..... :D :D :D


Cheers,

P

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Originally Posted by bitingmidge

... and the best place to buy old 78's is??? ..... :D :D :D


Cheers,

P

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So you worked out his latest subtle marketing campaign. :D :D :D


Peter.

Al,

Did you check the label? Maybe it was a really rare recording of Big Mama Thornton or something.

And if it was, you've probably flushed thousands of dollars
down the pan. Just so you could see if shellac would stick to metal . :D

Another way to make black shellac or any colour shellac for that matter is to use coloured oxide powder in it.

You should have a bit of that left over Al from your bricklaying days.

This was how we coloured the different parts of patterns when I was a Patternmaker. Black for the main part of the casting, Red for the machined surfaces and Yellow for where the cores were on the pattern.

You can get a brilliant jet black by adding universal tint. For that matter you can make the shellac any colour you like by adding universal tint. Thats the stuff they colour your paint with when you buy it.

Most paint shops will give you a bit in a little bottle. It is also available in 250 ml and 500 ml bottles from bunnies and many other outlets.

Don't waste good 78's you could be melting big money as craigb rightly said.

Or try that black liquid shoe polish in a small bottle for a quick n dirty ebonising job.

Finally, A use for Max Bygraves and Val Doonican:D . No longer will I be tortured when the old man comes down.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by ubeaut

You can get a brilliant jet black by adding universal tint. For that matter you can make the shellac any colour you like by adding universal tint. Thats the stuff they colour your paint with when you buy it.

Most paint shops will give you a bit in a little bottle. It is also available in 250 ml and 500 ml bottles from bunnies and many other outlets.

Don't waste good 78's you could be melting big money as craigb rightly said.

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Im only useing the broken ones, oh and the Max Bygraves and Val Doonican ones.

Al :eek:

in Bali, the method used by the local woodcarvers to stain timber was to mix boot polish with method............

Hey Al are you trying to make orange paint obsolete??

I went through some of the 15 billion 78's that we have today, I pulled some very gooder ones out.

I think Ebay is looking good!!
Ive got a stack of gooder 78's about 12" high. ( bragger :D ).
I also got a heap of cracked and broken ones to melt.

Al :D

Al,

Check out some of the old Popular Mechanics or Boys Own Crafts Books you have in the back of the shop.

Years ago they used to publish all sorts of projects for cracked and broken 78's.

I can't remember the details, but by bending them and gluing them together you could make things for Mum on Mother's day.

Whose heart wouldn't melt when unwrapping the new recipe holder made with love, from a couple of Noel Coward's finest?

You may have a market in craft kits there for the broken ones??

Cheers,

P
:D :D

I found an album cover of the Baycity Rollers, not very inspiring I know, but it is signed by all the band members. Another one for ebay.

I uncover new treasures every day, its like being on one giant treasure hunt.:D
Did I mention it sure beats bricklaying?? :D :D

Al :)

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Originally Posted by ozwinner

:D
Did I mention it sure beats bricklaying?? :D :D

Al :)

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Constantly

Oz from my limited experience just about anything beats bricklaying

Al,

From my research I have found out that those old records not only contained shellac but also asphalt and asphaltum. The sticky goeye stuff is the undissolved asphalt and asphaltum and the black colouring is the dissolved asphaltum mixed in the shellac.

Asphaltum is the stuff needed to do Black Japanning for restoring hand planes. I am restoring a few planes, some had no japanning on them at all and I brushed on 2 coats of the sticky goey followed with a coat of the black shellac.

They came up beautiful, black and shiny. Almost makes having slipped on that slippery slope worthwhile seeing these planes take on a completely new look.


Peter.


Peter.

Good one Peter.

I thought of doing the same meself, but Ive been kinda busy lately, so havent had time to try it.
I figured it would work though.

Al :D

pretty sure you can mix some black aniline dye with shellac to make it black. but whatever floats your boat

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Originally Posted by snappperhead

pretty sure you can mix some black aniline dye with shellac to make it black. but whatever floats your boat

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Of course you can, and you can make any colour of the rainbow AND MORE mixing dyes with shellac. Even the exalted Ubeaut gave advice in this thread on how to make black shellack using a universal tint.

But you miss the point entirely. :eek:

WHAT FLOATS MY BOAT is the fact that the black goeye mixture made by dissolving old 78's can be used as a substitute for Black Japanning in restoring old planes.

That was the point of reopening this thread, maybe not of interest to you but maybe to others.


Peter.

sorry i thought the thread said black shellac not japanning.

I found this whilst flicking through an old book (1890) used for staining ships guns but also good for wood.

To one gallon of vinegar add a quarter of a pound of iron rust,
let it stand for a week;
then add a pound of dry lampblack,
three quarters of a pound of copperas;
stir it up at intervals for a couple of days.
Lay five or six coats with a sponge,
allowing it to dry well between each.
Polish with linseed oil and soft woollen rag,
and it will look like ebony.

There are also a couple variations to this.

Hang on while I check the condition on my cannons......argh.

Al :D

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Originally Posted by Dazaster

Ithen add a pound of dry lampblack,
three quarters of a pound of copperas;

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Lampblack and copperas ? Should be easy to get these days. :D :D :D


Peter.

I winder where I can buy iron rust? If only I knew someone that sold everything. Sought like a huge emporium of all the worlds oddities, you know spare arms and legs of maniquins, old 78's and the like.
Perhaps someone can help me with a supplier of top quality iron rust?

Peter I got some copperas a couple of months a ago, it is available from your garden suppliers.


Al :D argh

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Originally Posted by outback

I winder where I can buy iron rust? If only I knew someone that sold everything. Sought like a huge emporium of all the worlds oddities, you know spare arms and legs of maniquins, old 78's and the like.
Perhaps someone can help me with a supplier of top quality iron rust?

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Sorry, our iron rust is only second quality. :(

Al :p

DOn't tell me.
It got electrolysised and went shiny. :p

Here's another one:-

Take half a gallon of vinegar , an ounce of bruised nut galls,
of logwood chips and copperaseach half a pound-boil well;
add half an ounce of the tincture of sesquichloride of iron,
formally called the muriated tincture, and brush on hot.


Don't ask me Iv'e no idea :confused:
Darren

By jove Daz, I reckon you've found the (formerly) secret recipe of Coke.

I knew it was the tincture of sesquichloride of iron, I knew it !!


Cheers.......Sean the real thing