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I've just experienced Coronavirus hell! It was worse than Dante’s Inferno!
A SUPERMARKET FULL OF OLD PEOPLE!...including me!
When they’re not just ‘propping’ in the middle of an aisle to get their bearings they’re stopping to chat with some other old fogie. And they all have a shopping cart!!
And to make matters worse I didn’t even have to show my senior’s card to get in. The guy said he trusted me !!! And don't get me started on the situation in the car park!
If this is what we have to look forward to, heaven help us!
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Lappa
Well predicted BobL. Newspaper heading this morning.
Not really - I've just had time to read/listen/watch a variety of reasonably creditable sources and where possible chase/validate their references
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Tccp123
I've just experienced Coronavirus hell! It was worse than Dante’s Inferno!
A SUPERMARKET FULL OF OLD PEOPLE!...including me!
Depressing isn't it.
It sounds terribly ageist but my recommended cure is to visit a high care dementia care centre, chances are you won't look quite as old and possibly slightly more "normal".
I've also been called a "young bloke" and my mum calls me her baby boy!
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When they’re not just ‘propping’ in the middle of an aisle to get their bearings they’re stopping to chat with some other old fogie. And they all have a shopping cart!!
Usually with one item in it!
My seniors card story is back when I first got my card I presented it for the first time at my regular/local IGA who give a 5% discount for seniors and mentioned that this was the first time I had used the card. The young checkout assistant said "I've been automatically giving you the Seniors discount for about a year!"
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That many oldies in any one place is completely daft and a sure fire way of spreading the virus amongst the most vulnerable. Where possible Online shopping should be undertaken by oldies if they want to reduce their risks.
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BobL
That many oldies in any one place is completely daft and a sure fire way of spreading the virus amongst the most vulnerable. Where possible Online shopping should be undertaken by oldies if they want to reduce their risks.
Apparently on-line shopping is no longer available. (I thought that sounded too easy)
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BobL
From this point onwards I would be in favour of:
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- Uni/schools shutdown within 24 hours, don't wait and see if this has an effect - it won't be much anyway
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The Chan School of Public Health at Harvard is arguably the best school of public health in the world. When threatened with coronovirus the President of Harvard asked the school to review the situation and to advise the university. Can you imagine an Australian vice chancellor asking a school or faculty for advice?
Chan School's assessment was that the USA border security was likely to miss 70% of COVID-19 cases. It also proposed a course of action that was immediately implemented, including:
"....Teach and Learn Remotely
The goal of these social distancing measures is to limit the number of instances where community members are gathering in large groups and spending periods of time in close proximity with each other in classrooms, dining halls, and residential buildings. See Teach and Learn Remotely for more information.
Effective March 10 and until further notice:
- We will begin transitioning to online instruction for all graduate and undergraduate classes. The goal is to complete this transition by March 23.
- Government guidance assures us that international students can participate in online classes without concern for their immigration status, provided they continue to make normal progress in a full course of study as required by federal regulations.
- Students are asked not to return to campus after Spring Recess and to meet academic requirements remotely.
- We know there will be difficult and extenuating circumstances for students who cannot leave campus or do not have another place to go. We will provide you the help you need to stay safe, secure, and continue with your academic work.
- Students who need to remain on campus for extenuating circumstances will also receive instruction remotely and must prepare for severely limited on-campus activities and interactions.
- All graduate students will transition to remote work wherever possible.
- Schools will communicate more specific guidance, and we encourage you to review your School and Program-specific coronavirus page for more information...."
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BobL
From this point on wards I would be in favour of:
- Except for Aussies, Complete suspension of OS air travel,
too late. As a part-time Aussie expatriate, I believe my best option is to "shelter in place." i.e. remain in Canada.
My personal risk assessment is that any non-essential travel is just not worth the risk and the accompanying 14 days of self isolation.
Besides, Canada has closed its borders to all persons who are non-citizens or permanent residents -- with US citizens still allowed to border cross "for now".
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- Uni/schools shutdown within 24 hours, don't wait and see if this has an effect - it won't be much anyway
a very difficult decision. If schools are shut who will provide child care grandma and grandpa? The very people we, as a community, are trying to protect from infection.
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- Mobile phone tracking of infectees - draconian but emergency powers would get around that.
you're assuming that all infectees have a trackable mobile phone.
I think that scenario is unlikely.
As I mentioned I've determined that my best response is to stay in Canada till this event passes.
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ian
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.....Besides, Canada has closed its borders to all persons who are non-citizens or permanent residents -- with US citizens still allowed to border cross "for now". ......
With due respect to Uncle Sam, this seems to be a particularly dumb decision.
Tracing of the sources of infection in Australia shows:
- c.50% cases, source tracing is still under investigation or has not started,
- Of the remainder the traced source was identified as overseas in at least 70% of cases.
Of the cases where coronavirus was imported, the sources identified were:
- 25 - USA
- 20 - Italy
- 16 - China
- 15 - Iran
- 12 - UK
- 8 - Diamond Princess
Source: Coronavirus data reveals how COVID-19 is spreading in Australia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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One problem with any data out of this USA is they have significant under reporting of anything medical due to factors like, deep distrust of Govt and science, and the high cost (~US$2000) of a COVID19 test. Many tests are also done privately and not reported. The further south and mid west one goes the worse this probably gets.
At this stage the infection rates are probably even more poorly know than China.
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With due respect to Uncle Sam, this seems to be a particularly dumb decision.
closing the border to US Citizens represents a very difficult decision for Canada. Perhaps a decision that is impossible to resolve.
Extracted from today's (i.e. Monday March 16) media report
Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said the decision to keep the border open to Americans was made to reflect the integration of the two economies and populations, and to maintain essential supply lines for things like food.
"That border is absolutely vital to the daily lives of the people who live on both sides of that border," she said.
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Everyone arriving in Canada from another country is now going to be asked to self-isolate for 14 days. Essential workers, including air crews and truck drivers, will be exempted from that rule, Freeland said.
Canada's Chief Medical Health Officer Dr. Theresa Tam said Monday that new measures are necessary to slow the spread of the virus. She's now recommending that gatherings of 50 or more people should be avoided.
"All Canadians must act now to interrupt chains of transmission," she said.
With a large proportion of the fresh produce sold in Canada sourced from the southern US or as places further south, such as Guatemala, Canadian's are no longer self sufficient in terms of food.
Ditto when it come to canned and packaged goods.
Like Australia, Canada exports lots of bulk food and petroleum products and imports lots of packaged goods.
And when it comes to road transport nearly all long haul trucks in Alberta at least are dual registered -- labeled with both US and Canadian Tare and gross weights.
In essence the Canadian and US economies are very tightly interwoven.
Certainly too tightly interwoven to permit trailer exchanging at the border.
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.....and the high cost (~US$2000) of a COVID19 test. .....
As compared to ¥2,500 in Japan - approx US$23.49. Must be a nice little earner for the snouts in this trough - err!... supply line.
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ian
closing the border to US Citizens represents a very difficult decision for Canada. Perhaps a decision that is impossible to resolve. .....
Never said it was an easy decision. Classic case of putting profits before people.
TRUMP: Coronovirus is bad for business.
COOLIDGE: The business of America is business.
Some things are eternal!
European countries are even more integrated than Canada and USA but they have acted decisively.
So what is the outcome of Canada's addiction to avocadoes from Guatomala - well fed corpses?
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A Ray of Hope 2
Noting that coronavirus is in the same viral family as the flue and Spanish flu, this graph from a refereed scientific journal shows another ray of hope. At the time Philadelphia had a population of 1.8 million and St Louis' was 0.8 mill, but the graph has been normalised to deaths per 100,000. Essentially Philadelphia dithered, St Louis acted decisively.
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Source: Hatchett, RJ, Mecher, CE and Lipsitch, M. "Public health interventions and epidemic intensity during the 1918 influenza pandemic" in PNAS 104, 1 May 2007.
Interestingly, this graph is entirely consistent with the two graphs from my post #235 above. Philadelphia had the virus spread rapidly when it was in the most deadly phase of its cycle - comparable to the 40% phase for coronavirus, it wreaked havoc and then ameleorated. St Louis implemented rigorous social isolation, minimised the impact of the most deadly phase and then it also ameleorated. Really graphic differences.
Taiwan and Singapore seem to be following the St Louis model quite successfully. Italy was slow to react and is suffering the consequences in four provinces, especially Lombardy and Venetu, but seems to be winning in the rest of the country. New Zealand looks to be another St Louis.
Are we dithering a la Philadelphia? The mood of the people seems to be that everyone is waiting for the government to act decisively, and they are too slow. Lets hope things can accelerate.
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GraemeCook
Never said it was an easy decision. Classic case of putting profits before people.
TRUMP: Coronovirus is bad for business.
COOLIDGE: The business of America is business.
Some things are eternal!
European countries are even more integrated than Canada and USA but they have acted decisively.
Hi Graeme
If you look carefully at what Canada's Deputy Prime Minister (Chrystia Freeland) said, the decision to keep the border open to Americans was made to reflect the integration of the two economies and populations, and to maintain essential supply lines for things like food.
It's very hard to maintain the food supply and keep people from becoming "starved corpses" when, apart from crappy cheese and milk, the entire food supply depends on the US/Canadian cross border trade.
Europe might be tightly integrated, but trade in food is mostly a cross border operation that, as far as I know, the current country wide lock downs in Europe allow to continue.
No one should particularly care if for six months Canadian lumber can't be used to build houses in Arizona, but when the only products that come out of Alberta are beef, oil and natural gas, if you're not bringing in food staples from south of the border, then people will starve to death.
So I would dispute your "profits before people" assertion.
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There’s apparently a 4000 sig Petition (~3500 doctors) circulating around calling on the govt to do more immediately.
talk amongst my mates is whether seniors should deliberately catch it now whiles there are ventilators available but less experience in using them on this virus, or isolate and hope to catch it towards the end of the curve. Trouble is things are happening so quickly that if you don’t already have it now by the time you need a ventilator you might not get one or be on it for a few days and get kicked off it for a younger patient.
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Why are people still comparing it to the flu?
Really.....
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I’m a teacher and work in workshop with two other teachers and 36 students. We have small quiet rooms for the students for theory work. Most of our work is of a practical nature with students having to share tools, test equipment as we don’t have the luxury of 1 item per student.
This is the advice we got today
“INFORMATION FOR TEACHING STAFFSome of our students might be feeling anxious about coming to classes, so we need to make sure that they have all the facts they need. It will be important to regularly remind our students of the importance of good hygiene and maintaining social distance to reduce the transmission of COVID 19.
Here are a few simple things that you can implement in each of your classes:
1.Ensure all students have washed their hands, if possible immediately before joining the class.
2.Ask students to maintain a social distance of at least 1.2 metres. If possible, organise your classroom seating to accommodate this.
3.Where there are practical activities, avoid sharing of equipment that is handled by more than one person, if that is possible.”
Impossible to enforce or achieve. I love the “if possible”. In other words, just get on with your job. We actually have students phoning/emailing in saying they won’t be attending because of the virus and this is supported fully by their employers.
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44Ronin
Why are people still comparing it to the flu?
Really.....
Because until 3500 people die deaths from COVID19 won't exceed the numbers of deaths per year from the flu.
Problem is when something can grow exponentially things can happen real fast.
In the case of the region of Italy (about the same population as Australia) where most of deaths have occurred., the numbers of dead have gone from new zero to 1800 in about 3 weeks.
The same for the main infection zone in china which has about double the pop of Australia. Here the deaths went from near zero to 3000 in about 4 weeks. They did implemented severe controls and now have near zero deaths per day for COVID19 - much less than the annual flu.
The hygiene measures and controls for COVID also put the dampers on the regular flu as well.
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Lappa
Impossible to enforce or achieve. I love the “if possible”. In other words, just get on with your job. We actually have students phoning/emailing in saying they won’t be attending because of the virus and this is supported fully by their employers.
Tough one Lappa. This advice may have been OK 2-3 weeks ago but not today. I don't think any ed institutions should be open at this time.
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BobL
Because until 3500 people die deaths from COVID19 won't exceed the numbers of deaths per year from the flu.
Problem is when something can grow exponentially things can happen real fast.
In the case of the region of Italy (about the same population as Australia) where most of deaths have occurred., the numbers of dead have gone from new zero to 1800 in about 3 weeks.
The same for the main infection zone in china which has about double the pop of Australia. Here the deaths went from near zero to 3000 in about 4 weeks. They did implemented severe controls and now have near zero deaths per day for COVID19 - much less than the annual flu.
The hygiene measures and controls for COVID also put the dampers on the regular flu as well.
Ok so its just like the flu due to arbitrary comparison of figures....?
Right...
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Lappa
I’m a teacher and work in workshop with two other teachers and 36 students. We have small quiet rooms for the students for theory work. Most of our work is of a practical nature with students having to share tools, test equipment as we don’t have the luxury of 1 item per student.
This is the advice we got today
“INFORMATION FOR TEACHING STAFFSome of our students might be feeling anxious about coming to classes, so we need to make sure that they have all the facts they need. It will be important to regularly remind our students of the importance of good hygiene and maintaining social distance to reduce the transmission of COVID 19.
Here are a few simple things that you can implement in each of your classes:
1.Ensure all students have washed their hands, if possible immediately before joining the class.
2.Ask students to maintain a social distance of at least 1.2 metres. If possible, organise your classroom seating to accommodate this.
3.Where there are practical activities, avoid sharing of equipment that is handled by more than one person, if that is possible.”
Impossible to enforce or achieve. I love the “if possible”. In other words, just get on with your job. We actually have students phoning/emailing in saying they won’t be attending because of the virus and this is supported fully by their employers.
You are expendable.
What do they do when the teachers and admins themselves are forced into lockdown.
I dont follow the logic of "you cant work, but kids can stay at school".
This is going to bring the WuFlu home to mum, dad, grandma faster than a million Typhoid Marys'
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The NSW Dept. of School Education already has online courses available for students who have passed the selective high school entry exams but live in remote areas. They are available online via Aurora College. I know that the courses would have to be tailored a bit, but surely they set up quickly for general students, with supervision by their regular teachers. It seems like a software & hardware solution that wouldn't be too hard to implement.
Of course, NSW TAFE OTEN (Open Training and Education Network) was set up to run hundreds of different online courses, including high school courses, but successive state & commonwealth governments destroyed TAFE.
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Of course, NSW TAFE OTEN (Open Training and Education Network) was set up to run hundreds of different online courses, including high school courses, but successive state & commonwealth governments destroyed TAFE.
Amen to that.
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ian
Hi Graeme
If you look carefully at what Canada's Deputy Prime Minister (Chrystia Freeland) said, ......
Europe might be tightly integrated, but trade in food is mostly a cross border operation that, as far as I know, the current country wide lock downs in Europe allow to continue.
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So I would dispute your "profits before people" assertion.
Enjoying this exchange, Ian.
I rarely listen to what a politician says. Always look at what they do, or don't do.
Not sure of details. My understanding is the goods are flowing reasonably within EU but people are fairly restricted. Bob's Italian cousins might be able to confirm.
Not current on American theology, Ian, but is your last statement blasphemy or sacriledge?
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44Ronin
Why are people still comparing it to the flu?
Really.....
Talk to a virologist or, as I have done, to a specialist in public health. There are very close similarities between the viruses and their impacts.
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GraemeCook
Talk to a virologist or, as I have done, to a specialist in public health. There are very close similarities between the viruses and their impacts.
Yes
Corona Viruses are the flu. Covi19 is this particular outbreak.
There are however certain aspects that set this flu, Covid 19, apart from many of the foregoing. It is a little on the academic side of things to compare this latest flu with the predecessors as it is still in the relatively early stages before escalation. However history is a good teacher from which we can learn, although there are clearly a number of people not paying attention. To my mind, on a world wide basis, we should be referring to the potential to escalate. For the moment only a handful of countries are in the catastrophe zone.
Regards
Paul
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Yes
Corona Viruses are the flu.
Not it is not, its not a strain of influenza.
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My understanding is that Corona virus is a generic name for a wide range of bugs. The usual seasonal flu(S) are and COVID19 are examples. They will both mutate and change around over time and it takes som smarts to keep track and develop vaccines for each which is why you need anew flu shot every year. COVID in one form or other could be with us for many years.
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I'm now writing the #312 post in this thread ...
This paper from the Imperial College (in London?) https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...16-03-2020.pdf suggests that, in the UK and US context, school closures, if implemented, would need to be maintained till a effective vaccine becomes available in 12 to 18 months time. In the Australian context that would mean schools remaining closed for the rest of 2020 and probably the first half of 2021. So delaying year 12 completion (and hence potential university admission) to the end of the 2022 academic year. I'm not sure that the educational institutions (universities) could sustain a 3 year break in their pipeline of new student admissions.
To quote from the paper's conclusion -- "... school closure is predicted to be insufficient to mitigate (never mind suppress) an epidemic in isolation; this contrasts with the situation in seasonal influenza epidemics,where children are the key drivers of transmission due to adults having higher immunity levels." [My emphasis.]
If you get beyond the first couple of pages, the paper contains a series of charts that predict
1. in the unlikely scenario of no effective control measures 2.2 million people on the US will die, in the UK the number of deaths is predicted to be 510,000.
2. in the case where school and university closures are implemented, the virus will likely result in a second peak of mortality in November/December 2020.
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GraemeCook
Enjoying this exchange, Ian.
I rarely listen to what a politician says. Always look at what they do, or don't do.
Not sure of details. My understanding is the goods are flowing reasonably within EU but people are fairly restricted. Bob's Italian cousins might be able to confirm.
Not current on American theology, Ian, but is your last statement blasphemy or sacriledge?
I intended it to be more a reflection of reality.
of course people should come before profit,
but when the logistics supply chain for essentials relies entirely on the person driving the delivery truck -- in the case of my local Safeway store, dry goods picking and palletting is largely automated at the distribution warehouse -- it's the truck driver who is perhaps more essential to the community surviving this epidemic than individual health care workers.
Just one truck driver can deliver 4,200 cubic feet, say 120 cu.m, (US/Canadian trailers are up to 53' long), that's a whole lot of "stuff" going to a single store.
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"but when the logistics supply chain for essentials relies entirely on the person driving the delivery truck"
Where's Elon Musk when you need him? Surely a few hundred of those autonomous trucks he's been spruiking should make a big dent in the problem?
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ian
I'm now writing the #312 post in this thread ...
This paper from the Imperial College (in London?)
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...16-03-2020.pdf suggests that, in the UK and US context, school closures, if implemented, would need to be maintained till a effective vaccine becomes available in 12 to 18 months time. In the Australian context that would mean schools remaining closed for the rest of 2020 and probably the first half of 2021. So delaying year 12 completion (and hence potential university admission) to the end of the 2022 academic year. I'm not sure that the educational institutions (universities) could sustain a 3 year break in their pipeline of new student admissions.
It wouldn't be a complete break as my understanding is, on average, the number of new students that come direct from school only represent about half of the intake (it differs markedly for each course). The other half would be overseas students, and deferring and mature age entries. A few years back WA universities has to cope with a shift of 6 months of the entry into primary schools which fed through 12 years later to an intake with only half the usual "direct out of school" first year uni intake and although it was not easy they managed. The Unis of course had to carry that through the 3-6 years of courses but with numerous course transfers and more deferred/returning students etc by the final year of course there was not much of a difference in year numbers in most courses.
I've been following the pros and cons about closing down schools. I don't buy the herd immunity concept but there is some research that suggests that unlike the flu kids are not cross infecting each other as rapidly as first thought. What is more likely is infected kids infecting adults so eventually schools will have to close when too many teachers get infected or leave. One of my sisters is a teacher but having just recovered from cancer she's immune compromised so has taken sick leave and is self isolating. If/when the sick leave runs out she is resigning. While enough teachers are still standing it appears the authorities will keep the schools open.
Teachers are therefore being treated as sacrificial to keep the kids, who's parents are in vital service employment (trucks, nurses, grocers, doctors, food producers), at school. I don't like it but when I though about this it's not too far removed from some decisions made even when there is no pandemic eg ramping of ambos at hospital emergency facilities. Perhaps teachers could think of the risks being taken by medical staff on the front line of this problem?
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GraemeCook
Not sure of details. My understanding is the goods are flowing reasonably within EU but people are fairly restricted. Bob's Italian cousins might be able to confirm.
Apparently the primary vehicles on roads are trucks and essential goods (food) are flowing reasonably well within Italy, less so between countries. With most other vehicles off the road deliveries are being made in record time with lower stress and fuel costs. Fortunately Italy grows most of its own food. Time everyone went of a diet anyway :)
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something one of my relatives sent me - I left out the "churchy" bit at the bottom.
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BobL
It wouldn't be a complete break as my understanding is, on average, the number of new students that come direct from school only represent about half of the intake (it differs markedly for each course). The other half would be overseas students, and deferring and mature age entries.
given the current travel restrictions on overseas students, if they're not currently in country they probably won't be able to enter at all this year.
I know that UTas is particularly exposed to the revenue lost if overseas students are not enrolling in current numbers.
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BobL
I've been following the pros and cons about closing down schools. I don't buy the herd immunity concept but there is some research that suggests that unlike the flu kids are not cross infecting each other as rapidly as first thought. What is more likely is infected kids infecting adults so eventually schools will have to close when too many teachers get infected. While enough teachers are still standing it appears the authorities will keep the schools open. Teachers are therefore being treated as sacrificial to keep the kids, who's parents are in vital service employment (trucks, nurses, grocers, doctors, food producers), at school. I don't like it but when I thought about this it's not too far removed from some decisions that are made even when there is no pandemic eg ramping of ambos at hospital emergency facilities. Perhaps teachers could think of the risks being taken by medical staff on the front line of this problem?
I also struggle with the "herd immunity" concept. As far as I can tell the concept is based on allowing "just enough" people to die that the remainder build up a sort of herd immunity, which could be expected to suffice till there's an effective vaccine.
In the current context and using numbers from the UK 200,000 ("only" 40% of the projected no intervention's 510,000 deaths in the UK) are allowed to die so the herd builds up immunity till a suitable vaccine is available. Assuming that the first vaccine is just good enough to reduce the death rate by 30%, a person might require 2 or perhaps 3 jabs as the vaccine's effectiveness improves to something akin to the current flu and pneumonia vaccine.
Perhaps, we need to think of the current pandemic as being akin to being in a war zone that covers the entire country.
At some stage everyone will be exposed to the virus. If the disease's progression can be slowed there's a very good chance of minimising total deaths.
But to slow the virus's progression, current suppression methods might need to be in-force till the end of the flu season in late October.
Not a pleasant prospect for a person currently in Canada.
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Tccp123
"but when the logistics supply chain for essentials relies entirely on the person driving the delivery truck"
Where's Elon Musk when you need him? Surely a few hundred of those autonomous trucks he's been spruiking should make a big dent in the problem?
at this time of the year, the lane and edge markings have been scrapped off Canadian roads by the snow clearing operations.
Elon Musk's "autonomous trucks" is mostly marketing hype. They can operate sort of OK on a fully grade separated highway that has clearly visible lane markings, and there are some roads in the south west of the US that are suitable. But in the Australian context, only about 20% of the Hume Highway is suitable for their operation, and even less of the Pacific Highway is suitable.
And you don't want to know the cost of upgrading the Hume to allow fully autonomous trucks to operate.
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Here are some Regional Italian stats from a major Italian Newspaper.
Ricoverati con sintomi - recovered showing only symptoms (mild case)
Terapia Intensiva - undergoing/gone intensive therapy
Isolement dom - domestic isolation
Totale etc = total positive cases
Dimessi/Guariti = discharged from hospital recovered
Diceduti - deceased
Casi Total = total cases
Tamponi - total numbers tested
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What you can see is (like China) that most of the cases and deaths are occurring in about 4 regions (with about the same population as Australia) the other regions have lower numbers because they are still behind the curve and are probably better protected because they went into lockdown before their numbers got too high.
The death rate as a percentage of cases in the main infected region ( Lombardia) is >10% probably because of lack of ventilators and staff.
In Veneto (mums rellies) where they have enough ventilators and staff the death rate is 2.7%
In Trento (Dads rellies) where they don't have any big cities, only a few large towns and lots of little isolated villages. They have excellent health facilities and the people are in some ways more germanic than italian so are less likely to cut corners, has a death rate of 1.8%
