CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

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Originally Posted by GraemeCook

I can see strong social arguments for assisting our regional airlines, and possibly Qantas, but I fail to see why any charity should be extended to Virgin Australia.

Virgin Australia is over 90% foreign owned and largely by foreign governments whose pockets are far deeper than the Australian Governments.

Ownership of Virgin Australia
20.94% Etihad Airways - Owned by Government of Abu Dhabi
20.09% Singapore Airlines - Majority ownership (56%) plus “golden share” owned by Singapore Government.
19.98% Nanshan Group - Ownership is rather murky, but “…Nanshan (Corporation) is effectively the government of Nanshan (City of 150,000)…”.
19.82% HNA Group - Owned by Hainan Provincial Government
10.42% Virgin Group - British private company founded by Richard Branson.
8.75% ASX - Publicly listed shares.
Source: Virgin Australia Holdings - Wikipedia

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but it is not about who owns a company it is about how much they contribute to our economy. Virgin employs about 10,000 Aussies directly and then there are all the other businesses that provide services to them so the number for that business alone staying viable in Australia could easily be in the order of 50,000 jobs

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Originally Posted by doug3030

What does that actually mean?

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Hahaha! I was typing that exact same question when I spotted your post!

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Originally Posted by Beardy

but it is not about who owns a company it is about how much they contribute to our economy. Virgin employs about 10,000 Aussies directly and then there are all the other businesses that provide services to them so the number for that business alone staying viable in Australia could easily be in the order of 50,000 jobs

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Thankfully there are a few here who have a grasp of economics! Thank you!

The question:

https://www.woodworkforums.com/image...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by FenceFurniture https://www.woodworkforums.com/image...post-right.png
He has access to an expert who is DNA linked to him (which means no bullsh).

The question was what does "He has access to an expert who is DNA linked to him" exactly mean?

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The further away you can stay the better

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I shan't quote your whole post. But that was what I was pretty much banging on about.

I know I have quoted more than enough stats in my posts but stats for many countries still have to be treated with skepticism.

Taiwan is politically motivated always to have rates less than China.
Japan wanted to hold onto the Olympics so probably fudged its numbers, but now it cannot lose face. Anyway their rates are now increasing.
No country wants to be over reporting deaths for a wide range of reasons. Some countries like Iran, China and even the two above (or many others for that matter) may only be reporting pneumonic COVID19 deaths. If the deceased dies of kidney or heart failure brought by COVID19 are they being reported as a COVD19 death? Possibly not.
There are people dying in 3rd world countries in gutters and back alleys and these will not be counted.
The US testing data is highly unreliable.

Anyway, I like the latest government moves, just wished they'd done it sooner. The one other I wish they would have stomped on is, family groups going to shopping centres or supermarkets. I can understand an adult supervising kids might need to go but not two+ adults and a bunch of kids. Surely the spare adults can stay behind and supervise the kids.

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Originally Posted by GraemeCook

I can see strong social arguments for assisting our regional airlines, and possibly Qantas, but I fail to see why any charity should be extended to Virgin Australia.

Virgin Australia is over 90% foreign owned and largely by foreign governments whose pockets are far deeper than the Australian Governments.

Ownership of Virgin Australia
20.94% Etihad Airways - Owned by Government of Abu Dhabi
20.09% Singapore Airlines - Majority ownership (56%) plus “golden share” owned by Singapore Government.
19.98% Nanshan Group - Ownership is rather murky, but “…Nanshan (Corporation) is effectively the government of Nanshan (City of 150,000)…”.
19.82% HNA Group - Owned by Hainan Provincial Government
10.42% Virgin Group - British private company founded by Richard Branson.
8.75% ASX - Publicly listed shares.
Source: Virgin Australia Holdings - Wikipedia

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Graeme

As some others have mentioned Virgin does employ many (don't know exactly how many) Aussies and that is good. I guess it is a shame that it is not Australian owned, but that is true of so many Aussie icons (Arnott's as an example) and more a subject for another thread as we have plenty of digressions as it is. I might lean towards assisting people more than corporations as I would expect that to reach the people most needy. Possibly the galling aspect of foreign ownership is that they have not paid their share of tax, but still want a handout (see I got drawn into a digression. Disregard that comment)

As an aside I have just overheard on the TV in the other room that further restrictions on numbers of people outside are being imposed (think I heard two) and some bans on evicting tenants.

Regards
Paul

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Originally Posted by Tccp123

While absolutely respecting Neil's right to his view I hope his opinionated prose doesn't put anyone off just viewing this.

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There is no self promotion, at the end he just suggests you visit his website which is free and ad free.

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And I also respect your rights to your opinions on this forum, Tccp.

Apologies if you found my prose (too) opinionated. I was just responding to your invitation to make my own judgement on the video. I acknowledge you didn't invite us to share that judgement here, but having invested the time to look at the video I felt I owed forum members (including yourself) my response.

As for the claim by Coleman that his website is 'add free', what would be more correct is that there are no paid adds on his website. However, the first button on his homepage [Bookshop] links to his very extensive self-publications list and is headed:

New Books by Vernon Coleman - all available as eBooks and paperbacks on Amazon

That's an add by any other name. In my opinion, Coleman's own agenda is not very well hidden and not worth any more of my time.

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Originally Posted by Tccp123

The question was what does "He has access to an expert who is DNA linked to him" exactly mean?

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Well Neil has only been posting in this thread for a short while, and doesn't have that many posts, so it shouldn't be to hard rediscover it, if you haven't remembered what he has said.

Edit: word omission typo.

W-T-F! "so it shouldn't be to rediscover it, if you haven't remembered what he has said."

I'm not even going to go there...

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Originally Posted by BobL

The one other I wish they would have stomped on is, family groups going to shopping centres or supermarkets. I can understand an adult supervising kids might need to go but not two+ adults and a bunch of kids. Surely the spare adults can stay behind and supervise the kids.

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Eeee, I think you might find it's a way of getting around purchasing limits of 2 loaves, 1 bumroll etc.

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Originally Posted by Tccp123

W-T-F! "so it shouldn't be to rediscover it, if you haven't remembered what he has said."

I'm not even going to go there...

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Oopsie! Missed a word. Fixed now.

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Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Well Neil has only been posting in this thread for a short while, and doesn't have that many posts, so it shouldn't be to hard rediscover it, if you haven't remembered what he has said.

Edit: word omission typo.

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Proofreading really is a dying art.

Does anyone actually know anyone with the Corona Virus?

Mmmm.... five minutes - no answers