Sunday Round Table Jabber - Sunday evening all welcome

Sunday is hear again the end of the Week.

That means Sunday Night Jabber is yet once again.

All welcome, if your a member on this fine forum your welcome to join us.
It is a BYO gathering.

Tonight’s hot to trot subject matter(Not that we stick to it,but we do try)
Drum roll Please, its everything to do with sharping,generally a subject that most Wood workers can get quite passionate about,as there are as many ways to sharpen a edge tool as there are religions.
So please keep that in mind this evening.

Start Time 7.30 ish AEST
That means those in Melbourne, Victoria ,Australia Earth ,we start at 7,30 Pm ish time, for those who live elsewhere ,I’m sure you can work out what time to join us because I can’t due to my forum name.

The Get together is held using Skype,you are able to join in by just joining as a Guest.

Https://join.skype.com/u73k1kv4B1UL


See Ya 7.30 ish Matt


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its everything to do with sharping,generally a subject that most Wood workers can get quite passionate about,as there are as many ways to sharpen a edge tool as there are religions.

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Sometime during the evening's program, I will switch to a live broadcast from the shed to demonstrate some very effective techniques for accurately grinding and honing bevels, straight and skewed.

This is of course subject to technology working as it should (Video and audio provided by Jools and her "trusty" I-thing)

Last nights chat we had Doug give us a demonstration using is 2/48 inch (For those that won’t accept [emoji6]) belt grinder for establishing a primary bevel of a Chisel.
We also had the pleasure of some fresh meat,thanks to Shane hope we didn’t freak you out to much.

We kept working on Bob,to give away his idea of using All thread to mark out a saw for re toothing instead of a paper template, before we fell into trying to work out policies regarding the ruling metric system over the antiquated imperial thingy to cool down the French issue.

Cheers Matt.
O an of course Chainsaws had to be mentioned.

And don't forget JC's great camera work. The lighting was a bit basic but very good for a first try. Next time it will be better I'm sure. The Idea we can show different methods of craft is good. Remember the people who make utube videos use lots of expensive gear to film.

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And don't forget JC's great camera work. The lighting was a bit basic but very good for a first try. Next time it will be better I'm sure. The Idea we can show different methods of craft is good. Remember the people who make utube videos use lots of expensive gear to film.

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Actually some You tubers I’ve watched have filmed just using a Phone camera.

But it would be great if other members wanted to follow Doug lead.

Cheers Matt.

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Originally Posted by Pagie

And don't forget JC's great camera work. The lighting was a bit basic but very good for a first try. Next time it will be better I'm sure. The Idea we can show different methods of craft is good. Remember the people who make utube videos use lots of expensive gear to film.

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It was never intended to be a polished Youtube performance. It was transmitted live without the chance to edit or review the quality. We just went out there and turned on the lights and got into it.

I couldn't see the image that was getting broadcast so thanks for the feedback about the lights. I have a pair of LED worklights on a tripod that possibly could have made a big difference for next time. I also couldn't see the faces of the audience to get any visual feedback of whether the content was easily understood but from the comments everything was pretty clear.

That belt grinder is one of the most-used tools in the shed, but pairing it with the Veritas Mk II honing guide on that jig I made sure makes plane blade and chisel grinding easy and accurate.

So what does a belt grinder like that cost?

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So what does a belt grinder like that cost?

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That one cost me about $3200 I think. You can get a single speed one for a fair bit less but you really need the variable speed particularly if using it on wood. If I was buying one now (nearly four years later) I would go for a different brand because there are a lot of new designs out there that will do a lot more.

This is the one I would buy today. Shopmaster 72 Grinder - DELUXE Accessory Kit 2hp Variable Speed - Artisan Supplies

Sunday is nearly hear again(kind off)the end of the Week.

That means Sunday Night Jabber is very close again.
Charge your glass,get the computer fired up.

All welcome, if your a member on this fine forum your welcome to join us.
It is a BYO gathering.

Sundays war of words discussion will be on the ascetics of TOOLS.

So are you Form over function,are you function over form, do you not give a Rats Bottom, are you a stout member of some secret communist state and feel we should all have Utilitarian tools.
Or do you see Tools as ART.


Start Time 7.30 ish AEST
That means those in Melbourne, Victoria ,Australia Earth ,we start at 7,30 Pm ish time, for those who live elsewhere ,I’m sure you can work out what time to join us because I can’t due to my forum name.

The Get together is held using Skype,you are able to join in by just joining as a Guest.

Https://join.skype.com/u73k1kv4B1UL


See Ya 7.30 ish Matt


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Start Time 7.30 ish AEST

That means those in Melbourne, Victoria ,Australia Earth ,we start at 7,30 Pm ish time, for those who live elsewhere ,I’m sure you can work out what time to join us because I can’t due to my forum name.

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Matt, it may have slipped your mind but this Sunday is the day that Australia goes from three easy to understand timezones to five confusing ones.

Did you mean 7.30 AEST or AEDST?

This small detail might not affect a lot of us but Paul might have to come in from his shed an hour earlier.

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Originally Posted by doug3030

Matt, it may have slipped your mind but this Sunday is the day that Australia goes from three easy to understand timezones to five confusing ones.

Did you mean 7.30 AEST or AEDST?

This small detail might not affect a lot of us but Paul might have to come in from his shed an hour earlier.

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Doug, it completely utterly slipped my mind,so thanks for pointing it out.[emoji106][emoji106]

I will now appoint you offical time maker thingy me bob thing.

Cheers Matt.



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Originally Posted by doug3030

Matt, it may have slipped your mind but this Sunday is the day that Australia goes from three easy to understand timezones to five confusing ones.

Did you mean 7.30 AEST or AEDST?

This small detail might not affect a lot of us but Paul might have to come in from his shed an hour earlier.

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Thanks Doug

I would have surely missed that!

Regards
Paul

A reminder for those joining tonight to check the Time issue thingy because I’ve got know idea.

The clocks moved about last night apparently!!!!

Start time is 7.30pm in Melbourne and what ever time that is in your little universe.

Cheers Matt.

So do we have a topic ?

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So do we have a topic ?

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Yes we do, have you not been following along.

You will love the Topic.

Cheers Matt.

The NRL Grand final kicks off at 6:30 pm in Queensland tonight. This is now coincidentally the same time as the 7:30 Sunday chat in Victoria.

While I am not a fan of either of the competing teams, I will probably be watching most of the match. If both teams play true to their form displayed throughout the season it's likely to be an 80 minute rolling bloodbath. Nothing better than watching two teams of dirty players giving each other the floggings they both richly deserve.

If I drop in to the chat it may be briefly.

So I am not accused of 'saying' just because Matt showed us his WMC style saw handle, here is a very similar handle. It is called the 'Holden' pattern. It is in effect a thumbhole pattern as it allowsa second hand to grip the handle.

It is destined for a 30" Simonds Docking saw.

Attachment 501808

Mine is at about the same stage of finish as Matt's handle.

Regards
Paul

Last nights chat was another highly successful chat about stuff that at the time seemed extremely important, yet now with a Coffee in hand I can’t remember.
Tho Bob seems to be coming at WIP.

But this Book was mentioned by at least one member.

The Art of Fine Tools Amazon.com

Also Paul was attempting to get dips on me regarding a Saw handle he was boasting about.

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Some how some pictures of a saw handle I’m working on just popped up [emoji851][emoji851].

Cheers Matt

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Simplicity

    Last nights chat was another highly successful chat about stuff that at the time seemed extremely important, yet now with a Coffee in hand I can’t remember.
    Tho Bob seems to be coming at WIP. 


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Last night I sought help in finding a suitable diamond file to sharpen my slightly abused high carbon steel pruning saw. Matt suggested that I need a Diamond feather edge File and messaged me with link to search. A quick search this morning revealed an option for a Diamond Rhombic File for $16.89 AUD including delivery,available ex Brisbane. with delivery expected between 26 and 29 October 2021. The geometry of the file appears to be identical to a feather edge file -I have emailed the vendor for clarification

For the benefit of those who did not attend last night's Skype meeting, I am well aware that I could probably buy a new blade for half the price - but this has now become a personal challenge to firstly get the necessary equipment - I will need to make a suitable vice, for example - and then to learn how to sharpen the existing saw.

It will be interesting to see what effect the covid restrictions will have on the Australia Post delivery times.

Cheers
Bob

Matt

Your handle has progressed a little since last night. :).

It is probably more "inspired" by WMC and Holden than a replica. You have done the same as i with my first handle in this style: Added a lambs tongue. WMC didn't feel that was necessary :wink: .

I really like the lambs tongue.

Regards
Paul

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For the benefit of those who did not attend last night's Skype meeting, I am well aware that I could probably buy a new blade for half the price - but this has now become a personal challenge to firstly get the necessary equipment - I will need to make a suitable vice, for example - and then to learn how to sharpen the existing saw.

Cheers
Bob

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Yesterday I emailed Ames Australia seeking clarification as to the type of file and sharpening procedure for my Cyclone Pole pruner/saw. The replies have confirmed the saw blade is indeed high carbon steel and requires a diamond file. Their suggested sharpening procedure is also attached.

Bob Young (Phone Number: 04000000, Email: xxxxxxxx.com) wrote:
4 Oct 2021, 9:58 am AEDT

I have a older model Cyclone pole pruning saw ( Saw and secateurs are separate parts). The saw need sharpening. Can you confirm that the saw blade is high carbon steel and I need a diamond feather file. Thank you

Chi (ZENDESK AMES Australasia)

Hello Bob,
Thank you for your enquiry.
In order for me to identify the product you have, can you please send through some photos of the whole product, the specific saw blade you are needing to sharpen and if possible, the product code (this should be on the barcode)?
I will seek advice from our product team and look into assisting you further from there.
Kind regards,
Chi

Bob Young
Hello Chi
3 photos are attached. Unfortunately there is no barcode and I don’t have any original packaging or the like. I am in Mt Waverley, 3149 so could bring the tool to your office if this would help

Attachment 501938Attachment 501939Attachment 501940


Chi (ZENDESK AMES Australasia)
5 Oct 2021, 9:22 am AEDT
Hello Bob,

Thank you for your response. Please see below the information on sharpening the saw blade that is provided by our product team:

Preparing for Saw Blade Sharpening
Ensure saw blade is removed from the pole of hand grip before sharpening.
Secure your saw blade before you can begin. Afterward, keep these in mind before starting:
• Keep a saw in place throughout the whole process with the use of a vice.
• Clamp down or secure the saw blade on the table vice or a box surface.
• Tightly secure the pole saw with the serrated edge FACING UP.
• Once the blade is tightly set, clean and dust off wood chips or dirt using a brush wire.
• Dab a bit of orange oil / non-stick lubricant to help clean the blade and in between the saw teeth.
• When the blade is free of any tree debris, you can now begin the sharpening process.

Sharpening
If you look closely, the blade has sharp edges both in front and in back. When sharpening, START with the side from the end CLOSEST to you and work your way up to the other end.
• Take a piece of metal file and position it at a 45-degree angle. Do not sharpen the blade with the rod perpendicular to the blade.
• Hold the blade with one hand or the other tip of the rod. Check which method is more convenient.
• Run the file against the back edge of the tooth. When sharpening, avoid pushing the file back and forth. Move it in one direction only as this sharpens blades more effectively.
• Remember to follow and go with the tooth shape. You also need a little force to create friction.
• Repeat the process with each tooth until you reach the farthest end of the blade.
• Once you’re done with the back edge of the teeth, you can either flip the blade to the other direction or just shift your position to the opposite end.
• Repeat the filing again with the front edge of the teeth.

Picking Your File
• The size of your file should fit well in between each tooth.
• You need to file the whole length of the teeth, so it should fit until the point where the teeth are attached to the blade.
• Using a diamond file for this saw blade is highly recommended

Should you need any further information or additional help regarding the above, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards and all the best,

Chi
AMES Australasia Customer Team

Bob,
Once your done yours, Paul an myself and Pagie would like how’s done.

Thanks Matt.[emoji6]

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Bob,
Once your done yours, Paul an myself and Pagie would like how’s done.

Thanks Matt.[emoji6]

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That's not how I understood it. I thought that I was the one asking for assistance and advice and that you three honourable gentlemen where the ones who were going to do the educating and demonstrating.

Sunday is nearly here again the end of the Week.

That means Sunday Night Jabber is yet once again.(Tomorrow night).

All welcome, if your a member on this fine forum your welcome to join us.
It is a BYO gathering.

Tomorrow night’s subject unless there is objections will be a carry on from last Sunday night.
SAWS all saw types, bring your favourite saw(Yes those types if you must [emoji15]) left cutting saws, right cutting saws, big saws, upside down saws ,beautiful saws all saw types welcome.
Stubborn want to be saw sharpeners most welcome [emoji6].



Start Time 7.30 ish
That means those in Melbourne, Victoria ,Australia Earth ,we start at 7,30 Pm ish time, for those who live elsewhere ,I’m sure you can work out what time to join us because I can’t due to my forum name.

The Get together is held using Skype,you are able to join in by just joining as a Guest.

Https://join.skype.com/u73k1kv4B1UL


See Ya 7.30 ish Matt

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Tomorrow night’s subject unless there is objections will be a carry on from last Sunday night.
SAWS all saw types, bring your favourite saw(Yes those types if you must [emoji15]) left cutting saws, right cutting saws, big saws, upside down saws ,beautiful saws all saw types welcome.
Stubborn want to be saw sharpeners most welcome [emoji6].

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A couple of images for tonight's discussion
Attachment 502202
Attachment 502203

Questions:
How to measure the appropriate angles?
How to determine the size of file required?
Bob

PS lucky this is not a photography forum and I can get away with smartphone images:D:D

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A couple of images for tonight's discussion
Attachment 502202
Attachment 502203

Questions:
How to measure the appropriate angles?
How to determine the size of file required?
Bob

PS lucky this is not a photography forum and I can get away with smartphone images:D:D

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Just want to push a small point, Bob hates smart phone cameras,that’s all I’m saying I hope he feels dirty.[emoji6]

Apologies, I'm interested in the topic, but unable to join you tonight.

But here is a contribution, in absentia.

This is the tooth pattern on my 1 or 2 man crosscut saw...

Attachment 502209

At glance it looks like a standard 'Great American' tooth pattern, but looking up closer at one of the triplets with the perforated hole, it is quite different...

Attachment 502210

That triplet has a forward and back raker, like on the 'Champion' tooth pattern (see image below). It's a hybrid of the 'Great American' tooth pattern on a pair of triplets set between the raker triplets. Some Nth American college saw racing teams use a similar tooth pattern to this.

Attachment 502211

It's a very effective saw tooth pattern for bucking hardwood firewood.

The rakers have no sideways set and are hammer 'set' forward and back. The alternating sideways set on the other teeth is also done with a hammer before sharpening.

I would rather use the Stihl type saw.

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I would rather use the Stihl type saw.

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We know :rolleyes:

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I would rather use the Stihl type saw.

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You mean one of these?

Pruning Saw PR 32 CW -

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I would rather use the Stihl type saw.

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When it comes to chainsaws, I'd rather use one of my professional Huskies...:U

But, you don't get quite the same workout using one of those compared to a big crosscut...:aerobics:

And, it costs less to run... my heating bill this winter has been zero.

You can never have too many stihls.

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That's not how I understood it. I thought that I was the one asking for assistance and advice and that you three honourable gentlemen where the ones who were going to do the educating and demonstrating.

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Well last night's session proved why the above quote (6th October 2021) is correct - to say the I had the theory all "ballsed-up", was well and truly proven.:?

But some good came from it - Matt sent me a link to BlackburnTools web site which included a link to an excellent blog post - Concerning saw files (which I am now selling) | Blackburn Tools. If you need assistance in understanding file geometry and how it relates to sharpening your hand saws, this is an excellent post - thanks Matt. :2tsup:

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Originally Posted by Oldgreybeard

Well last night's session proved why the above quote (6th October 2021) is correct - to say the I had the theory all "ballsed-up", was well and truly proven.:?

But some good came from it - Matt sent me a link to BlackburnTools web site which included a link to an excellent blog post - Concerning saw files (which I am now selling) | Blackburn Tools. If you need assistance in understanding file geometry and how it relates to sharpening your hand saws, this is an excellent post - thanks Matt. :2tsup:

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Nice going Bob, I thought you may have had things a little bit muddled, an glad you have stoped over analysing it,[emoji6].

Nothing Pagie an I can’t sort out when it comes to over thinking it.

Cheers Matt.
Next Sunday night Jabber Bob the saw guru will be telling all.

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Nothing Pagie an I can’t sort out when it comes to over thinking it.

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Might be a good job I took the night off if over-thinking was the problem. It's one of my strong points.

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Might be a good job I took the night off if over-thinking was the problem. It's one of my strong points.

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Did you actually consider weather you should reply or not [emoji6][emoji6].

Cheers Matt.

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Did you actually consider weather you should reply or not [emoji6][emoji6].

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Consider it? I probably over-thought that too. :B

Sunday is hear again the end of the Week.

That means Sunday Night Jabber is yet once again.

All welcome, if your a member on this fine forum your welcome to join us.
It is a BYO gathering.

Tonight’s hot to trot subject matter,
I have know idea, so lets just wing it!!!!!!!

Bob AKA Old grey beard has apologised he will not be table there tonight.
Also my apologies for posting this so late [emoji17].


Start Time 7.30 ish
That means those in Melbourne, Victoria ,Australia Earth ,we start at 7,30 Pm ish time, for those who live elsewhere ,I’m sure you can work out what time to join us because I can’t due to my forum name.

The Get together is held using Skype,you are able to join in by just joining as a Guest.

Https://join.skype.com/u73k1kv4B1UL


See Ya 7.30 ish Matt

I will be there.

I will probably be eating my Indonesian Rendang with prawn crackers at the time.

We had a new member "Dave" and I had to show my untidy shed.