Irritations - dump here thread

I'm sure anyone living in Melbourne's Eastern Bayside suburbs has had to put up with this:

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It's not just on weekends either, but during the week in peak period.

My wife travels from Bayside Melbourne to the City every day and on inclement days (when there are few to zero cyclists on the road), her travel time is virtually halved.

Cyclists should be taxed in line with other road users. Laws governing their use should also be regulated and vehemently enforced.

I won't stand aside on a footpath to let a cyclist by and on more than one occasion I have been berated for doing so and one rider repeatedly rammed the back of my legs with his wheel because I refused to heed his frantic bell-ringing. He later managed to salvage what was left of his mangled bicycle off the road.

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Originally Posted by Woodwould

He later managed to salvage what was left of his mangled bicycle off the road.

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I like that. The WW hoon law.
Cheers,
Jim

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Originally Posted by Woodwould

Cyclists should be taxed in line with other road users. Laws governing their use should also be regulated and vehemently enforced.

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And they should have to display a number plate like any other road user.

That should help to modify their behaviour.

Police in Vic have been targeting cyclists running red lights and it is showing results, I have actually seen cyclists stop at a red light:o

ps to WW. Did you jump on it or just toss it into the traffic?

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Originally Posted by weisyboy

push bike riders that dont move over to let you past.

push bike riders that dont follow road rules.

push bike riders that jump up on teh footpath when the light is red.

push bike riders that ride up teh middle at red lights then sit in front of you and take half an hour to start off.

push bike riders that lean on your car so tehy dot have to take there feet off the pedals.

push bike riders that ride 2 and 3 abrest so u can not possibly pass them.

push bike riders.

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You don't drive a blue ford ute do you ? :D

(Local joke, sorry)

The courier mail occasionally runs a hot button article on push bikes. The comments blow out with drivers and bike riders railing against one another.

Thing is pedestrians chip in too. Pedestrians and car drivers never rail at each other. Pedestrian needs to cross, they obey the rules or show curtesy and cars stop and let them pass.

So if cyclists can't get along with cars, can't get along with pedestrians and apparently get into punchups with each other on cycleways who do you suppose is the problem here ? :)

And it's not all cyclists. The ones that are always cited are the lycra brigade. No one minds kids riding, no one minds some poor sod trying to get to work in steelcaps wobbling along the side of the road. As is so often the case it's a badly behaved minority.

Funny thread this. Some of you are hysterical.

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Originally Posted by damian

And it's not all cyclists. The ones that are always cited are the lycra brigade. No one minds kids riding, no one minds some poor sod trying to get to work in steelcaps wobbling along the side of the road. As is so often the case it's a badly behaved minority.

Funny thread this. Some of you are hysterical.

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You have it Damian-The poser- or the type of person who wants to control the world and all they have is their little bike:roll:

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Originally Posted by corbs

people that drive 10km/h under the speed limit when you can't overtake safely then accelerate to 20km/h over for an overtaking lane then slowing down again at the end:~

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The correct term for such people is " Passhole" :2tsup:

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE

and all they have is their little bike:roll:

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And with lycra you know that that's all they have:D

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Originally Posted by jimbur

ps to WW. Did you jump on it or just toss it into the traffic?

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Originally Posted by Woodwould

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Bicycles do that. They have a mind of their own (even with someone in the saddle)

good one woody,I like that:D

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Originally Posted by weisyboy

push bike riders that dont move over to let you past.

push bike riders that dont follow road rules.

push bike riders that jump up on teh footpath when the light is red.

push bike riders that ride up teh middle at red lights then sit in front of you and take half an hour to start off.

push bike riders that lean on your car so tehy dot have to take there feet off the pedals.

push bike riders that ride 2 and 3 abrest so u can not possibly pass them.

push bike riders.

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Idiots in cars that drive so close to you on a bike that they almost brush you off.

Idiots in cars that don't follow road rules.

Idiots in cars that run red lights.

Idiots in cars that sit at red lights spewing pollution from their exhaust.

Idiots in parked cars who open their doors as you are riding past.

Idiots in cars who drive slowly so you cant get past.

Idiots in cars in general.

what i cant understand is why dose everyone feel the need to wear really tight Lycra suits to ride there bike.

if it not possible to ride in normal clothes.

that's for the aerodynamic gain. Some of these eejuts ride at almost 30kph and need all the help they can get.

cos its really gunna make that mutch diferance.

Lasagna that sticks to the aluminium tray when you heat it in the oven.:~

Guess what I had for dinner?:rolleyes:

Idiots in cars that don't use indicators.

That's not grumpy enough. I find anybody using the road when I do is in the way!

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Originally Posted by wheelinround

... couriers mainly, try stopping 30t of coach when one darts out in front with less than 1m to stop :~

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Cycle couriers are a breed apart. They seem to think that because they spend more time on their bikes than most others, they are better riders and don't have to obey the road rules. Or perhaps it's because they have to make a living that they think that they don't have to obey the rules. Much like cabbies, bus & truck drivers, couriers.

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Originally Posted by wheelinround

As to traffic jams.... travel the Old Pacific Hwy, Geat Western Hwy, Princess Hwy when cyclists believe its their right to ride on any Sunday with no regard to how much road they use, speed limits indicated.

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In either case, there are parallel freeways where cyclists are prohibited. Why not use them if you're in a hurry?

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

I'm sure anyone living in Melbourne's Eastern Bayside suburbs has had to put up with this:

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It's not just on weekends either, but during the week in peak period.

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The irony in the first two photos is that the holdup, if there is one, is caused by cars - all those cars parked in the left hand lane. I thought roads are for travel, parking lots are for parking.
If all those cyclists were in their cars, one or two per car, as is normal, you'd have a much bigger traffic jam.

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Originally Posted by Woodwould

Cyclists should be taxed in line with other road users.

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Quite so. The damage to roads, according to research done by the old NSW DMR, is proportional to the 5th power of the mass of the vehicle. So, if a cyclist and his bike weigh 100kg, and a car weighs 1000kg, the car is doing 100,000 times the damage that the bike is. If your rego is $250 per year, mine should be 1c every 4 years. Work out for yourself what a 40 tonne truck should pay. Or perhaps everyone should be charged for the amount of thoroughfare they use. In that case, pedestrians aren't going to be very happy. Think of all those footpaths that hardly ever get used.

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Originally Posted by AlexS

The damage to roads, according to research done by the old NSW DMR, is proportional to the 5th power of the mass of the vehicle. So, if a cyclist and his bike weigh 100kg, and a car weighs 1000kg, the car is doing 100,000 times the damage that the bike is. If your rego is $250 per year, mine should be 1c every 4 years. Work out for yourself what a 40 tonne truck should pay. Or perhaps everyone should be charged for the amount of thoroughfare they use. In that case, pedestrians aren't going to be very happy. Think of all those footpaths that hardly ever get used.

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Not quite what I had in mind. I propose the taxation should be determined by vehicle length and penalties be added for every km/h they travel under the prescribed speed limit.

BTW, I was a daily cyclist for many years.

The "prescribed speed limit" is a maximum limit not a minimum limit, isn't it?

I wonder what would happen to the traffic flow if the old rule that P platers couldn't go faster than 50mph (80kph) were re-introduced? gridlock probably.
Jim

Forward to the Past

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The Locomotive Act 1865 set a speed limit of 4 mph in the country and 2 mph in towns. The 1865 Act also provided for the then famous "man with a red flag". Walking 60 yards ahead of each vehicle, a man with a red flag or lantern enforced a walking pace, and warned horse riders and horse drawn traffic of the approach of a self propelled machine.

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:2tsup:

All the complaints about incontinent dogs would fade into nothing if we had to live on the old streets in the old times - imagine streets ankle deep in a slurry of horse droppings and horse urine:D

Fights in the street over who gets the turds for the rose garden :D

We could build a whole new Green City just for bike riders.Like a detension center for bike riders No roads,just bike tracks.
A lot of exclusive shops selling lycra gear only.No electricity.
Would be the cleanest city in the world.Would bore the backside off you but:roll:
Would keep most of us happy though-- no bike riders for the rest of us Woo Hoo:;

Built with pedal powered earth moving machinery , construction equipment , etc. :D
As if :rolleyes:

Lycra, a cloth made from synthetic fiber that has a high carbon footprint , as well as a high ecological footprint :(

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Originally Posted by jimbur

I wonder what would happen to the traffic flow if the old rule that P platers couldn't go faster than 50mph (80kph) were re-introduced? gridlock probably.
Jim

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That has me puzzled in NSW the speed that P plates are limited to. When learning to drive back at home in QLD you drove to the limit, and from the first point of learning to drive I was doing 80km p/hr.

I often drove between Brisbane and Newcastle, and the amount of time I spent crawling behind a P plate doing 80 on the Pacific H/way, and having to wait for ages for an overtaking lane to pass was intolerable.

I could be wrong, but I have somehow never equated the Lycra clad bicycle brigade with "green" and "environment":no:

More the yuppie coffee bar crowd (think $5000 coffee machines and barista courses)

Was listening to some guy from Monash Uni on ABC Radio a couple of weeks ago who was in to designing bicycles from high tech materials. He was talking about a crowd in Geelong that build custom bicycles to order, from thing like titanium etc. Prices were in the $20,000 range:o

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Originally Posted by AlexS

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The irony in the first two photos is that the holdup, if there is one, is caused by cars - all those cars parked in the left hand lane. I thought roads are for travel, parking lots are for parking.
If all those cyclists were in their cars, one or two per car, as is normal, you'd have a much bigger traffic jam.
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Actually where the cars are parked it is a clearway during peak traffic times (as is most of Beach Road) and the cyclists still manage to cause chaos, particularly in the morning rush hour.

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Originally Posted by Big Shed

The "prescribed speed limit" is a maximum limit not a minimum limit, isn't it?

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Precisely! If cyclists had to pay for every km/h they rode under the indicated (maximum) speed limit, it would keep many of them to the back streets and off the main thoroughfares, thus easing traffic flow in and out of major centres especially during the commuting periods.

Even though I occasionally get around in a flash metallic red electric cripple-cart, I also believe the same regulations I propose should apply to any type of wheeled vehicles like the cripple-carts and those two-wheeled kids' scooters with the little wheels. They're all a liability on the road and on the footpath. (I only ride my cripple-cart around Bunny's, M10 and the Woodworking Show. :U)

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Originally Posted by Manuka Jock

Fights in the street over who gets the turds for the rose garden :D

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Don't forget its use in fuming oak:D

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Originally Posted by jimbur

Don't forget its use in fuming oak:D

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That was the .
The turds for the roses.

Fine oak furniture covered in rose petals :U

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Originally Posted by AlexS

Cycle couriers are a breed apart. They seem to think that because they spend more time on their bikes than most others, they are better riders and don't have to obey the road rules. Or perhaps it's because they have to make a living that they think that they don't have to obey the rules. Much like cabbies, bus & truck drivers, couriers.

In either case, there are parallel freeways where cyclists are prohibited. Why not use them if you're in a hurry?

:no: Those parallel Freeways are not FREE thats why :~
Being in the position of a pensioner the amount of $$$$ it cost for a Tag it would mean the pension would have to made comparable to that of an average weekly wage of $1000.
They do ride along them many a cyclist is seen along the M5, M4, M2 the M7 having its own FREE cycleway. These same Expressways /Toll rd's do not go where motorists need to go.

The irony in the first two photos is that the holdup, if there is one, is caused by cars - all those cars parked in the left hand lane. I thought roads are for travel, parking lots are for parking.
If all those cyclists were in their cars, one or two per car, as is normal, you'd have a much bigger traffic jam.

Even bigger when they carry their bikes on the back, top, inside (ie trains) or front ( see photo below) of vehicles to get to where they want to go or ride.

Quite so. The damage to roads, according to research done by the old NSW DMR, is proportional to the 5th power of the mass of the vehicle. So, if a cyclist and his bike weigh 100kg, and a car weighs 1000kg, the car is doing 100,000 times the damage that the bike is. If your rego is $250 per year, mine should be 1c every 4 years. Work out for yourself what a 40 tonne truck should pay. Or perhaps everyone should be charged for the amount of thoroughfare they use. In that case, pedestrians aren't going to be very happy. Think of all those footpaths that hardly ever get used.

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Incorrect as to paths not being used cyclists use them constantly and its against he law in this state of NSW for other than young riders. Then there is those many riders who flaunt the law as to not wearing helmets, safety vests or bright colours. Those who give no thought to the colour of bike making it stand out. No mirrors, reflectors, hand signals especially when in groups they are all supposed to do it.

The bus below is ACT, it was planned and fought for by the Cycle association, many state wide bodies have tried for the same thing. Stupid side is these same people are fighting to have bullbars removed from vehicles. :doh:
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6...n1nov20091.jpg

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Originally Posted by Manuka Jock

Fights in the street over who gets the turds for the rose garden :D

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I recall those days, waiting with shovel in hand for the milk or vegie cart to come up the street, mother standing by with pail in hand sending me onto the road while she would watch for traffic. Thank goodness it was early 60's when hardly anyone had cars.:U

Election time its still peddling LOL

We see these top leaders spruking all they are worth (not much) for what only to have to vote for who not them they aren't from your area :doh: Whats your local polly doing sitting back sipping tea. Whats their agenda.........no problem if your Labor vote they are plotting who to put in next as leader same as the other mob. So who you vote for now may be in the Rubbish truck by next week. Biggest waste of tax funds ever.

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Originally Posted by Manuka Jock

Fights in the street over who gets the turds for the rose garden :D

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Some people recommend putting horse scones on their rhubarb too – I prefer custard on mine.

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Originally Posted by Woodwould

Some people recommend putting horse scones on their rhubarb too – I prefer custard on mine.

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Me too :U

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Why do manufacturers insist on placing irremovable stickers on their products? I can understand the segmented price stickers to dissuade dishonest gits from swapping labels in the aisles, but come on, why can't the manufacturers employ easy-peel labels?

On a similar tack, why do clothing manufacturers insist on sewing the scratchiest labels into their garments – undies especially! Have you ever stood closely behind a woman (what on earth were you doing?) and noticed her expensive Italian silk blouse all puckered up at about shoulder level? Another case of cursed labels detracting from otherwise beautiful and expensive garments.

Oh, and the imbeciles who walk around with the manufacturers' rack spotter labels still tacked onto the sleeves of their coats!

Oh, oh, oh and the wannabes with the Orefors crystal wine glasses that they got for a wedding present that still have the germ-harbouring Orefors labels stuck on them for everyone to see.