Or if you're unlucky enough to live in Adelaide where there is apparently a much higher chance (than the 1:10,000 that I've been quoting) that you'll have some sort of interaction with someone with IT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
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Or if you're unlucky enough to live in Adelaide where there is apparently a much higher chance (than the 1:10,000 that I've been quoting) that you'll have some sort of interaction with someone with IT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
If I was the trolley guy at that particular shopping centre I'd be wearing gloves even if there was no IT around because some of the "shoppers" look pretty suss to me. I should add I do keep the car doors locked while I'm waiting for SWMBO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
So you've been to Adelaide too? I went there last year and came away with the same impression. It goes a bit farther than Snotown...Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
Remember this !
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Originally Posted by BobL
I did the same a number of years ago except place name was different called Brisbane what a bunch of clop dickh**ds your posts have just proved my point. Let me know when you plan on heading this way, Id gladly rearrange your hair style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
If I was the trolley guy at ANY shopping centre I'd have been wearing gloves for years, ever since I'd started in fact. Remember what I said about some men taking a leak and not washing their hands...I have no reason to suspect that they would wash them especially to go shopping...or anything else. Even the simple common cold - no lockdown or masks or anything else for that matter in normal times. So someone with a cold goes shopping, coughs into their hand and then pushes the cart around, and the trolley guy goes home with a cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
Come to think of it, trolley guys are probably one of the bigger spreaders of any contagion. They handle all the trolleys that have been touched with whatever, and then handle all the rest of the trolleys.
As usual you've missed the point. It doesn't matter whether they wear gloves or not they're still going to spread the germs. So it only matters to them. If they keep their hands away from their faces, and wash them as required, there's no issue with not wearing gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
And there seems to be this unhealthy obsession with "some men taking a leak and not washing their hands" :oo:
Isn't that only an issue if they actually pee on their hands? And if they do does it really matter? Last time I checked urine wasn't classed up the top of the "virus infection" table...
I tell you what old fruit, for an ex-IT person you don't seem to think things through very well. :doh: You have demonstrated it time after time in this thread. I'll spell it out for you nice and simply:
- customer coughs into their hand, and pushes a trolley around
- the trolley guy collects the trolley and gets the contagion (of whatever) on his hands (gloved... or not) from the trolley handles.
- Without necessarily touching his face, he grabs the next trolley handle and puts the contagion on that, and so on, and so on.
- the next customer to use that trolley gets the contagion on their hands
- Whether or not he touches his face is utterly irrelevant to spreading the contagion to the rest of the trolleys.
- If he has the nouse to wear gloves then he can take one off to scratch the itch on his face
It really is exceptionally simple!
Maybe you need another trip to Adelaide?
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Originally Posted by fencefurniture
Is this some twisted interpretation of positive self affirmation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonyz
I enjoy this thread but personal attacks are ridiculous and notwithstanding the current situation, you should all take a cold shower. We are in this together and snarky bitchy remarks are demeaning to you all.
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Originally Posted by Tccp123
I doubt 5% of blokes would wash their hands after having a leak. You are only touching a bit of yourself. Who washes hands after scratching ones back?. Hell!, Bear Grylls even drinks his own urine if he is thirsty.
Thank you Artful Bodger!! I'm not the only honest one here!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by artful bodger
Excellent video which I've forwarded on to everyone I know.
with regards to trolleys and also the hand baskets at Coles and Wooleys. Everytime I go there now, there is someone cleaning the new trolleys coming back into the shopping center. Each time I pick up a hand basket, the handles are wet because they have been cleaned not long before I got there.
Health
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Increased cleaning in-store
We’ve added extra cleaning and sanitisation to high contact areas of the store, including trolleys, baskets, checkout areas and self-service screens.
Yes, but that's now. I would think that might become a permanent move, certainly hope so. This pandemic will no doubt cause many permanent changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuffy
Some people seem to have a germ phobia, shopping trolleys are no different to handrails , door handles, money, paperwork, shaking hands, lift buttons, public transport etc etc.
It is just part of life
Not just Adelaide, SA 'apparently' has a higher number of cases because it has consistently tested a higher percentage of its population than the other states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
Broader testing detects more cases and gives a more accurate measure of the infection rate. As a result, it should not be a surprise that SA was the first to get zero new cases on one day recently. But, of course, there is no guarantee that SA won't still have cluster like NW Tassie or another Adelaide airport emerge in the next week.
In the spirit of a bit of interstate banter: Having lived and worked in both Brisbane and Adelaide (also Sydney) I know where I would prefer to be tonight if I had to be in hospital with Covid-19.
Qld - 21 hospitalised, 11 of those in ICU, 9 of those on ventilators.
SA - 10 hospitalised, 1 of those in ICU, none of those on ventilators.
But, please keep up your bagging of Adelaide. Make it as unappealing as possible to those Covidiots that seem to keep showing up in the other states...:U
In winter I am certainly aware and cautious. As a result, the last cold I had was about 4 years ago I think, and that was despite living with someone that got at least one cold per year, presumably from students or the 2 hour train ride incubator twice a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beardy
Shopping trolleys get handled for considerably longer periods than the other things you've described there, but yes, they all have the potential, particularly shaking hands. In the times that I have had a cold I refuse to shake hands with people (with explanation of course).
You sound like a bunch of pussies!Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
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Originally Posted by Beardy
Yes it is part of life. Have not lived in Sydney for a long time but, "oh Boy", I did use to think about the hand rails on trains whenever I caught one. Germ phobia or not some things are not meant to be licked.
Lets hope that the change in the atmosphere of the Woodwork Forums is not permanent. I have never seen such a situation where a number ofpeople are so determined to ensure that their own opinions prevail at the expense of all others. Not everyone here is so afflicted but there are enough of them to make this place very unpleasant.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
It's much more to do with how much bacteria has accumulated in areas that are prone to it, probably due to sweating I guess. Armpits, feet, crotch. Someone with smelly feet handles his feet - don't think I want to shake his hand either. Pretty basic hygiene. I think your estimate of 5% is probably quite low, but yes, there are plenty of males that think it's quite ok not to wash their hands after a leak. I'd be pretty sure that a survey of women would reveal that if they knew the truth about male hand washing frequency after toilet use, they'd be somewhat *taken aback*.Quote:
Originally Posted by artful bodger
So what is wrong with you if your feet smell and your nose runs?
You are upside-down.
Regards
I have never found women to be any better than blokes when it comes to being "really clean". Maybe I move in the wrong circles.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
Whatever anyone thinks of the situation here, it could be a whole lot worse. In the last 4 weeks, the equivalent of 85% of Australia's total population - 22 million people - filed for unemployment in the USA.
There's plenty of them out there
https://scontent.fmel7-1.fna.fbcdn.n...29&oe=5EBE930F
As a boy in the 50s I recall scouring the neighbourhood on "junk days" and finding all sorts of WW2 paraphernalia. Shell casings, and gas masks were pretty common although bayonets were the most highly prized find.
I'd love to wear a gas mask in the local supermarket. It mightn't be very effective but the reaction of people would be priceless, especially with its accompanying havasack.
mick :)
According to my mum the person with the cleanest hands and nails in her family was her blacksmith father. Unfortunately I never met him but according to mum after work he would spend many minutes vigorously scrubbing his hands and nails with soap and water, and finish off by cutting a lemon in half and crushing it skin and all AND vigorously rub it all over his hands. The citric acid and lemon oil combo not only removed every trace of charcoal/rust and metal filings, but left his hands soft. All 8 of my uncles and aunts have remarked on how clean and soft his hands were. I've used the lemon wash a few times when I had spare lemons after handling cast iron and it does indeed work amazingly well at getting out the black stuff then ends up in finger/hand skin cracks.Quote:
Originally Posted by artful bodger
In a workplace study a few years back metal workers were found to have some of the lowest hand bacterial counts of any profession because theY tended to wasH their hands far more often than anyone else. I wonder if the use of tight fitting gloves has made things worse rather than better. Amongst the worst for bacterial hand counts was anyone who used keyboards, especially if not always their own. Office door handles and cistern buttons of the toilets used by these workers were also higher in bacterial counts.
Today's spreadsheet attached.
Points to note:
- USA cumulative cases dropped by 3.6%, which is of course impossible. They must have reviewed the numbers....or summink
- The above means that the USA death rate has suddenly jumped from 3.5% to nearly 5%, but they did have a 3 day increase in deaths of 36%
- Russia, Singapore and Belarus were the worst 3 day % increases in cases.
- 21 countries are close to or above 5% death rates, 8 are above 10% (and 7 of them are EU)
- Discounting China and Sth Korea, Australia is the lowest 3 day cases gain %
- Europe is approaching a million cases (950k), and has 91k deaths
I am not surprised, they are just taking the lead from their President. Apparently, FEMA has diverted supplies of PPE and ventilators that are sourced by individual states to private companies so the states can bid for them. source: Planet America : ABC iviewQuote:
Originally Posted by ubeaut
Having said that, Why shouldn't GP and health practitioners go to Debbie Silver to procure a shipment of PPE.
Although not completely sterile, fresh urine itself is relatively so. On the other 'hand', holding the siphon python is another matter. That depends on where it and your hand has been!Quote:
Originally Posted by artful bodger
Cross contamination from faeces on toilet surfaces is by far the greatest risk from pathogens. The doors in public toilets that need to be pulled open to exit pose the greatest risk. If you only need to have a leak at a urinal the most hygienic protocol is to give the hand washing a miss, ignore the censuring glances from others, and wait for an inward coming patron to open the door for you to escape hands free. That might be awhile in a small county town...:(
As for farts and Covid-19 transmission, according to Norman Swan on the radio this morning, no bare arsed ones within physical distancing guidelines. Done wearing the usual masking apparel on the rear end, no problem!
... interesting to see the propaganda machine is ramping up the blame game, amplified by Murdoch media, pointing the finger at the Chinese bio-weapons lab.
And the Chinese response questioning the closure of Fort Detrick bio-weapons lab and subsequent spread of virus related deaths in the US in close proximity to it.
Links here and here
Of course the latter is not getting much media traction.
Geo-political peurility.
Speaking of propaganda, take a look at RT and CGTN.
That's how you do it!
Statistics.
This thread loves figures. Now from my understanding, 50% of the globe at Trump lovers, the other 50% are Trump haters.
Now, the few contributors to this thread all seem to be in the Hate camp, and there are no Lover responses, so I’m wondering why?
Is it:
a. Trump lovers feel so superior that they can’t be bothered to reply to the scribblings of deluded fools.
b. Trump lovers feel so inferior that they are fearful that anything they write will be treated with scorn and nasty responses from the superior intelligentsia.
c. Trump lovers can’t write.
d. Trump lovers can write but they spend so much time working hard on their businesses or making millions on the stock market that they haven’t got time to write.
e. Most forum members are so busy working on timber projects that they haven’t got any time to contribute to this post.
f. All of the above.
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Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
Definitely, now you should always wash you hands before .....
I doubt those are real figures. Outside of the United States - Trump supporters are in the minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Ward
I, for one, think he's a perpetual and petulant child, and I don't hate children.
Some of us just don't care.Quote:
Now from my understanding, 50% of the globe at Trump lovers, the other 50% are Trump haters.
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Originally Posted by Tccp123
As usual you've missed the point. Repeatably.