no anzac day holliday

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As such it should be celebrated on the actual day, not the nearest convient Monday.

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The last time it fell on a Sunday was 1976, so I can't remember what happened then, but according to the Council for the Australian Federation:

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One of the issues addressed by CAF was ANZAC Day. ANZAC Day is recognised nationally on 25 April each year as an occasion of national commemoration. All States and Territories have legislation that prescribes ANZAC Day as a public holiday. While ANZAC Day is always commemorated on 25 April, there are varied legislative approaches to whether the public holiday is observed on the following Monday (i.e. a long weekend) when ANZAC Day falls on a Sunday.

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I think the day itself should always be commemorated on the 25th, even when it falls on a Sunday. The church thing doesn't wash for me. I'm fairly certain that next year it will be commemorated on the Sunday with the public holiday on the Monday. I don't really see the difference in the circumstances of it falling on a Saturday, but then I'm not a Christian.

I'm simply talking about whether workers should get a substitute public holiday to compensate for the fact that a gazetted public holiday falls on a weekend. I still fail to see how that detracts from the commemoration itself.

Do you think pubs and clubs should be closed all day too? They make a lot of money from mug punters on ANZAC day. Someone has to staff them. Seems a bit hypocritical to tell retailers they have to close their doors but allow pubs and clubs to stay open. What about cab drivers and public transport? Are they allowed to make money on the day?

I think it should be a decision for the business itself whether to stay open or not. Staff should be paid public holiday rates.

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Originally Posted by silentC

Emotive claptrap, Doorstop. Why doesn't it surprise me that you would go off half-cocked?

So you'll be going to work on Monday the 26th next year will you?

Wood Boner has hit the nail on the head.

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Half cocked? I'll have you know it is complete!

Oh, and YES, I probably will be working on the 26th next year. Unlike some here I have to work for a living. I am self employed, I am my only employee and if I don't work I don't get paid, holiday or no holiday.
I can't see why people expect to be paid for doing F@#$ all. If you want a day off for then fine, take the day off but just don't expect to be paid for work you didn't do. That's dishonest isn't it? Sort of like theft?
Stuff it. Now I'm late for work.....
Bye!

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I can't see why people expect to be paid for doing F@#$ all.

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You reckon they don't factor public holidays in to pay rates like they do with every other type of leave? Salary = Daily rate * (365 - weekends - public holidays - annual leave - sick leave). I'm the one who is being ripped off!

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Originally Posted by silentC

The last time it fell on a Sunday was 1976, so I can't remember what happened then,

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in 1976, If I recall correctly...

• I was in 3rd year at uni and living in Sydney
• there was no general Sunday trading — city pubs were closed and if a country pub was open you had to "prove" you were a traveller to gain admittance
• most shops and garages were closed on Sunday – if you hadn't bought it (including petrol) on Saturday, then you had to wait till Monday to get it
• in Sydney there were only 2 or 3 "shopping malls" (Roselands and Myer at Burwood are the two I recall) and these were closed
• 25 April 1976 was only a few months after the "dismissal" of Whitlam and the election of Fraser
• ANZAC day was a very quite day

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I'm simply talking about whether workers should get a substitute public holiday to compensate for the fact that a gazetted public holiday falls on a weekend.

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is this the nub?
a sense of withdrawn entitlement because this year Saturday is the gazetted holiday?

so my question to you Silent is this ...

do you consider Public Holidays a right or a privilage ?

for me ...
we live in a notionally christian society so we get the major christian celebrations as holidays
if our society wasn't notionally christian we shouldn't expect to get these days




ian

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Originally Posted by silentC

You reckon they don't factor public holidays in to pay rates like they do with every other type of leave? Salary = Daily rate * (365 - weekends - public holidays - annual leave - sick leave). I'm the one who is being ripped off!

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But "entitlements" work both ways, don't they?

Just as you are "entitled" to have your public holiday, so is your boss "entitled" to get the number of hours of work he pays you for every single working day.

Can you say with your hand on your heart that he does indeed get his "entitlement"?

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is this the nub?
a sense of withdrawn entitlement because this year Saturday is the gazetted holiday?

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That is exactly it and I thought I expressed that on page one of this thread: "The boss is getting an extra day for free out of me this year."

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do you consider Public Holidays a right or a privilage ?

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I consider them a right. They are engraved in legislation - my employer must give me the day off with full pay if they fall on a day I would normally work. Thus they are factored into my salary just like all other forms of leave.

The actual reason for the holiday is a separate issue. I don't celebrate Easter (other than eating too much chocolate) but the Bank Holidays act says that I get the Friday and Monday off with full pay. Same with Christmas, Boxing Day, Labor Day, Queens Birthday etc.

I'm aware there is an element of hypocrisy associated with taking these days even though I don't observe the traditions, however, under my award I am entitled to them, why shouldn't I take them?

If the government decides to abolish public holidays, I'll be fine with that, as long as the extra working days are reflected in my salary. Fair is fair.

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Can you say with your hand on your heart that he does indeed get his "entitlement"?

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Some days they get 6 hours, some days 8, some days 10. Swings and roundabouts. If they are unhappy with my output, they have recourse. Yes I spend too much time here arguing with you good people :)

My issue is not with them, they are very good employers and give me everything they are required to and more. Actually I don't really have an issue, I'm not losing sleep over it. I was asked indirectly for my opinion and I have given it :)

Just as some years Anzac Day falls on a Friday and some years on a Saturday.

Swings and roundabouts.

Which is why I'm not losing any sleep over it. But when have you ever known me not to have an opinion on something?

Public holidays are a bit of non-event for a lot of people. Like a lot of people I have a job to do - over the cycle of of a year none of my work disappears just because there is an extra public holiday. A few years back we traded 3 public holidays during the year in exchange for an extra weeks annual holiday. This was also a bit of a joke. Nobody suggested there would be any less work to do, same jobs (no, wait - there have been more jobs since then) same deadlines (no, wait - some deadlines were shortened).

Yeah I guess it depends on your circumstances. When I was a 7 day shift worker, all a public holiday meant was that if you were lucky enough to be rostered on, you got double time plus an accrued day in lieu (you've got to love unions). During that time I worked on just about every public holiday including Christmas day and New years day. I remember watching the veterans walking down to George street from Museum station one year from the 7th floor at L&C streets.

Since I've been a Monday to Friday worker, I've been able to have every public holiday off, except maybe once or twice. That's since 1991, so not bad. Generally speaking, there's nothing I'm working on today that can't wait until tomorrow. I can't be the only one in that situation.

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Originally Posted by BobL

Public holidays are a bit of non-event for a lot of people.

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... but certainly not most people.

I can understand that employers, the self employed and shift workers probably see public holidays as either a non-event, or as a financial burden. But certainly these people are what they are by choice and as such should be well aware of what they have got themselves in for.

If an employer doesn't like it ... sell up and retire. If the self employed don't like it ... work for someone else. If the shift workers don't like it ... get a non-shift work job.

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Originally Posted by silentC

That is exactly it

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a sense of withdrawn entitlement because this year Saturday is the gazetted holiday?

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and I thought I expressed that on page one of this thread: "The boss is getting an extra day for free out of me this year."

I consider [public holidays] a right. They are engraved in legislation - my employer must give me the day off with full pay if they fall on a day I would normally work. Thus they are factored into my salary just like all other forms of leave.

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whilst I generally agree with you, for me ANZAC day is different (special if you like) — as I said earlier it's Australia's one true national day

It should be celebrated on the actual day not the nearest convient Monday

for the rest, if believe that there is some evidence that countries with about 10 public holidays spread throughout the year are more productive than countries with no public holidays or where the public holidays are concentrated at particular times of the year — an example of the latter was Golden Week in Japan where 3 public holidays used to fall in the same week



ian

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Originally Posted by ian

It should be celebrated on the actual day not the nearest convient Monday

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But even by your own admission it isn't appropriate for ANZAC day to be held on a Sunday, because of church goers.
Now the majority of Australians DON'T go to church on Sundays (or at all), so why should we pander to a minority?
I don't think we should, but on the other hand I would bet (and this poll's results tend to back me up) that the majority of Australians do want the public holiday on a "working day". Lets go for what the majority want rather than pandering to a minority.:2tsup:

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Originally Posted by silentC

You reckon they don't factor public holidays in to pay rates like they do with every other type of leave? Salary = Daily rate * (365 - weekends - public holidays - annual leave - sick leave). I'm the one who is being ripped off!

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Thats the price of private enterprise.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but in case you've misunderstood me, what I'm saying is that when an annual salary like mine is determined, leave is factored in to it. All things being equal, my employer would hope to cover my salary + expenses + profit from the work I do. If we have one less public holiday in a year, he gets an extra day for free. It's in his favour, not mine. Last year was a leap year, so that's two years in a row now. :)

I really dont care if we have a holiday or not. I like the fact that we are able to celebrate and remember the reasons for and against a conflict.

What gives me the irits is that some states give the "extra" days holiday iof Anzac day falls on the weekend and QLD does not.

What I want is uniform holiday rules just like we are supposed to have uniform road rule etc etc.

I am SO glad that I don't employ anybody any more. :2tsup:[/quote]

Cliff,

Its not so much a problem employing people......it's a problem employing knuckle heads. As is always the way, those who have the least to say always say the most. As is evidenced on this thread.

Kick back and enjoy not employing knukle heads!!!

Cheers,

Anthony

wow...

what i thik should happen on anzac day is no trading.

like it used to be.

small corner stores could open untill 10 am so people could get there paper. but other than that nothing was open.

pubs should be shut but clubs open (rsl obviously).

no sport except two up.:2tsup:

Strewth! Imagine having to employ something like Silent!!!!

( Lets see how long this post lasts!)

Maybe there's a reason you work for yourself, eh Doorstop? :D

Up yours too Anthony.

My last 2 employees were pretty good actually but it took me 10 years to find them.

I couldn't ever employ Mr. C, he argues too bloody much. :D

And here I thought that this forum was one of harmony and understanding and not like other forums I have been on.

Can I ask all people to stop being "personal". Just stick to the topic and deal with the topic with personally insulting other people.

Please!

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he argues too bloody much

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Only on here, Cliffy. I'm a good boy in the real world :)

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here I thought that this forum was one of harmony and understanding

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Jeez, whatever gave you that idea?

Don't lose any sleep over it, Spanners. Christopha has been around here for a long time, so long he already wore out one user name. He is just a sh@t stirrer and no-one takes him seriously.

Personal insults are the last resort of people who have no other answer, so it says more about them than it does about the person they're having a go at. All part of the fun mate!

Yup, at least this thread is still open, unlike the one over the road. :D

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Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers

Yup, at least this thread is still open, unlike the one over the road. :D

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That's a turn up for the books.:o

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Originally Posted by silentC

Maybe there's a reason you work for yourself, eh Doorstop? :D

Up yours too Anthony.

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Thanks for your assistance Silent, you are my most powerful advocate.....long live the Knuckle Head!!!!

Have a happy life,

Anthony

I think it is time for a game of virtual two-up. Silent can be the spinner. :D

With Anzac Day almost upon us I think it would be appropriate to close this thread.