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As I remember things Qld was the state that allowed a certain Joh to run the most corrupt regime in Australia.Remember "Don't you worry about that." Rural voters are slow to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic-d
What the election was about, as all elections are, is the fact that the people elect those who they believe are best suited to do the job. So stop moaning and accept the fact that this time your choice was not the majority choice. Life doesn't always give us what we want.
Jerry
Oow that's a big call. Probably more correct to say most obviously corrupt in our history. No one seemed to notice when Hawke got in in 83 the procession of labour politicians to switzerland sorting out their accounts.
Given the rampant nepotism and the lengths this administration has gone to to "accomodate" developers I'd guess they rival any previous government in this country.
As for the outcome of the election, I am not a conservative voter, nor do I have any illusions we would be better off under the LNP or whatever they call themselves this week. I vote independant usually and had hoped for a hung parliment. Of course I accept the result, what choice do I have ?
Michael:
Attacking my spelling is very clever. I'm impressed.
If you read my posts carefully you'll see I'm just offering another perspective. My attacks on the labor (labour) party are based on facts not opinions, nor partisan politics. It is a fact that in the last 11 years our road system in SEQ has been left to rot with virtually no upgrades. It is a fact that administralion has exploded, that only about 300 beds have been added to the queensland hospital system, that nepotism is rife.
I was born here, I quite like the place. I resented what Joh did to my state, I resent what this government has done.
Are you suggesting I have no right to be unhappy that my home is being ruined ? That we shouldn't criticise the government ?
If you don't like what I have to write you might be happier not reading it.
Those were the days!Quote:
Originally Posted by jerryc
We had hospitals, police, law and order, good education.
It was safe to walk the streets.
Criminals were in prison (imagine if those bikies were in Brisbane in the 70's - Don't you worry about that!)
And the corruption was out in the open for all to see.
At the end of the day, I'd much, much prefer Johs 'system' to the disaster we have today.
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Originally Posted by Blocklayer
He did pervert the electoral system, strip away free speach and the right to public assembly and turn off everyone from out of state investing in the place. I suppose the taxes were low, but do we really need a corrupt police state to have low taxes ? and were they worth the wider cost ?
I just think we could do better, but I suppose as long as the electorate don't care or know any better, and as long as being a politician is such an onerous job we won't attract a better class to the work.
I believe that many of the problems society faces today are rooted in the move form a community based society to an anonomous one. When we were a collection of towns and suburbs behaving poorly had real consequences, and many problems were taken care of at a local level. Now it's all abdicated to a bureucracy and we only know what's going on in our own street through the filter of the media. 2c.
Couldn't agree more.:2tsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by damian
People living in relative isolation believe they can do what they want (normally for their own benefit) without considering the wider implications. There also seems to be this belief that if you screw up or do something stupid or need something, that the responsibility belongs to "someone else". People need to be held responsible for their own actions and outcomes.
but that's not a vote winner, no major political party is going to consign themselves to oblivion for values.
Hi DamienQuote:
Originally Posted by damian
I don't know why you've responded to me in this way:?. You've clearly overmeasured the importance of your posts to me. There were several respondents in this thread I was having a go at certainly not exclusively you. I appreciate from your tag that you are never wrong, so I accept if you wish to keep your own sense of reality.
Cheers
Michael
Your post finished with a quip about the spelling of labor as labour. Whether it was directed specifically at me or others who had spelled it that way it was still an attack on the spelling of a word.
The first half of your post attacked people for venting their frustration with the outcome, and/or the governments policies. Your very welcome to disagree with teh sentiments, and to put an alternative view, but just calling people a bunch of idiots for expressing an opinion is a personal attack and adds nothing to this discussion.
Whether you were attacking me or others doesn't matter. You shouldn't be attacking people. By all means disagree and argue the point, but there is a difference.
Damien
Perhaps you should lighten up just a trifle. The labour/ labor comment was meant in a light hearted manner and at no time did I see Mic-d use the term "idiots".
I know Michael can well defend himself but let's keep a sense of proportion. The election is over, the majority has decided. What point is there in getting hot under the collar now?
Incidently you took up my use of the phrase "conservative voter" not quite in the mannner I intended. By conservative I was not referring to political parties but to the nature of the voter. That is they are welded to a party, that they are slow to or never change. I should have made myself clearer..
Jerry
First I'm not hot under the collar. I don't get angry over stuff people I don't know type on a mostly anonomous internet forum. There are just far more important things in life than that.
mic-d posted a 2 line entry to this thread. As far as I can see it's his first foray into the discussion. The first line reads (to save you scrolling up the page) :
What a mob of whingeing whining Monday armchair experts.
Maybe that's meant as a joke, but it reads like an attack. I often am misunderstood in type because the comment lacks body language, intonation etc, but I do try when I remember to add emoticons etc to indicate the context. This person lacks those in his origional post and as far as I can see in his (lets assume for brevity it's a "him") followup. My comments were intended to make him realise his post could be taken as a personal attack and IMO that is inappropriate. I would like to think he sees this as an opportunity to explain the context and intent of the post rather than a personal attack. Perhaps I failed.
The reference to conservative voters was not specifically drawn from your comments. It's a generic term used to describe people who vote for "conservative" politicians, as opposed to "socialist" politicans.
With regards your comments, my understanding at least as of some years ago is that 93% of people in Australia vote the same way at every election. I have been one of those people, consistently voting for independants. In truth my vote does not count. In fact elections are won and lost on a few hundred thousand votes, swing voters in marginal seats. The rest of us simply don't matter. Even in the senate relatively few votes determine the outcome. I live in a safe "consertative" seat. My councillor, state and federal members are all liberal (or LNP if you like). They win on primaries. My vote does not matter.
Hopefully that clears it up.
Latest news is bligh is going to cut the public service...LOLOLOLOLOL, sucked in Qld, you fell for it hook line and sinker...
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...7-3102,00.html
"MORE than 450 government boards and statutory authorities in Queensland have been told to justify their existence or face the axe."
At least the LNP were honest...
well that is what needed to happen.