How do Others Feel?

I become angry when I see rudeness and/or arrogance. Others seem to spend their lives forgiving the ignorant people.

Picture this:

1979 Toorak Rd South Yarra 6PM peak hour on a Friday night dark wet wintry night.

An old car broken down blocking all eastbound traffic. The driver trying to push start the car, other drivers just continuously tooting him.

A much younger Woodborer (with hair) driving a cab five cars behind the broken down vehicle. The Woodborer decides to assist for the benefit of everyone despite knowing he will get soaked to the skin.

WB tells the driver to get in, gives the clown instructions on how to start it when WB pushes it fast enough. The car is started and off it drives without any form of appreciation from the driver - not even a friendly wave.

WB walks soaked to the skin back to his cab which is now blocking the remaining traffic to be greeted with angry drivers tooting at WB because he is now holding up the traffic.

WB saw red. WB used quite colourful language and gestured at the impatient drivers suggesting that some should conceive and the rest could fall off the perch with painful cancer. (Not the exact words used).

WB is reported to the cab company for being a rude and inconsiderate cab driver.

What should WB have done? Apologise - never. :no:

I reckon I did the right thing and I have helped others out since but apparenty the other drivers felt I did the wrong thing by helping the stricken driver. They clearly demonstrated this by tooting at me despite seeing what I had done.

The ungrateful driver of the stricken car hopefully had a fatal head on with the next tram.

I see the behaviour of those who don't respond or acknowledge the assistance of others in the same category as those drivers on that cold wet Friday night.

Should have popped your bonnet and stood around scratching your head for a little while, just to really annoy them.

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Originally Posted by apricotripper

And also, I think its hard for some new members to actually get involved, because they sense that all the regulars just want to talk to each other only. Plenty of regulars don't respond to new members questions as well. They just go off talking amongst themselves.

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My 5.5c (GST incl) worth.......

As a newb, my first week or two was spent just trawling the wide and diverse knowledge base this forum contains .... so many wise ppl and solutions. I did however notice that there is a coterie of regular posters whose inter-relationships are friendly and familiar and to me seemed to be based on many years of postings back and forth.

This of course had the effect of making me reluctant to "push in" - in addition I felt there was little I could contribute on the posts involved as my knowledge (in woodworking areas) is very limited and the knowledge of, and banter between, "the regs" on most posts left little for me to add.

On the one of 2 posts (3 now I guess) where I thought I could contribute something I was basically told to pull my head in and my contribution was irrelevant....... so for some of us newbs it's a case of why bother....

That all said, I think it merely common decency to thank those who answer a question you have posted.... 'course common decency seems to be a rarer commodity these days, and I think it behoves all of us less knowledgable types to thank those who take the time and effort to respond to our questions and cries for help.

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Originally Posted by MALPT

My 5.5c (GST incl) worth.......

As a newb, my first week or two was spent just trawling the wide and diverse knowledge base this forum contains .... so many wise ppl and solutions. I did however notice that there is a coterie of regular posters whose inter-relationships are friendly and familiar and to me seemed to be based on many years of postings back and forth.

This of course had the effect of making me reluctant to "push in" - in addition I felt there was little I could contribute on the posts involved as my knowledge (in woodworking areas) is very limited and the knowledge of, and banter between, "the regs" on most posts left little for me to add.

On the one of 2 posts (3 now I guess) where I thought I could contribute something I was basically told to pull my head in and my contribution was irrelevant....... so for some of us newbs it's a case of why bother....

That all said, I think it merely common decency to thank those who answer a question you have posted.... 'course common decency seems to be a rarer commodity these days, and I think it behoves all of us less knowledgable types to thank those who take the time and effort to respond to our questions and cries for help.

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Here's a post worth reading twice - well said!

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Originally Posted by Groggy

Here's a post worth reading twice - well said!

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I totally agree Greg, a great post.

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Originally Posted by MALPT

in addition I felt there was little I could contribute on the posts involved as my knowledge (in woodworking areas) is very limited and the knowledge of, and banter between, "the regs" on most posts left little for me to add.

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Just remember Malpt that what you read is only someone else's opinion and you cant be sure that their knowledge is greater than yours. If you have a comment to make feel free to participate. The manners of others should not deter you from joining in - that is how you get to the point of the "interaction"

:exactly::2tsup:

I guess most of us agree that just because you are snubbed, don't give up.

Applies equally to those giving advice, newbies and those who ask for help but nobody responds.

Well said MALPT - have a greenie.

TY Groggy, Calm, Wood Borer.

It won't deter me! I'd like to think that I will be able to contribute from time to time.... isn't that the point of a forum such as this - hopefully we all have some idea/knowledge/skill which might help someone else (sometimes we don't even know we have it until someone else has asks).


Btw what's a greenie? (I did try searching but I got 458 posts of "well done have a greenie" and one "where'd my greenie go) - is it like the electronic version of a gummy bear or elephant stamp? :hooray: (I like gummy bears - used to give them to our staff - they thought it was just a saying until after the first week I actually gave them their weekly tally of sweets - no lookin back after that - they'd come up with great ideas and bargain with me that their idea was worth 2 or even 3 gbs not just a paltry one)

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Originally Posted by MALPT

Btw what's a greenie? (I did try searching but I got 458 posts of "well done have a greenie" and one "where'd my greenie go)

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Here ya go, all you need to know about "greenies"

Hi guys,
I think it is a sign of the times,Rudeness and ignorance.Of course thats not from all new members ,but surely a good proportion of them.

We suffer the same thing in the metal work forum.Now and again member s get jack of new people logging in asking a question and are never heard of again.

They are all a pretty good mob and don't take kindly to the rudeness shown at times by some ignorant first time posters with attitude.


I try to greet new posters with a welcome and an invitation to introduce and expand upon and explain their problem so everyone who reads it can respond on the basis of full information first up.

There is nothing worse than going back to post after post to pull titbit's of basic info that could well have been included originally , so as the complete answer could be provided first up.

I will readily admit to occasionally forgetting my manners and doing a spot of rrs kicking when some newby has not even bothered about a basic introduction and started off with demanding behavior.

You can take the man out of the boilermaking, but you can't take the boilermaker out of the man.It only happens on the odd occasion.
My two bobs worth anyway
Grahame

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Originally Posted by DJ's Timber

Here ya go, all you need to know about "greenies"

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Thanks DJ !! (seems I cant eat them tho, sigh)


What a cool system - that is so handy! I've never seen that on a forum before. TY DJ for Info, and TY WB for the greenie.

[quote=Cliff Rogers;702899]Yup, that is people for you.

People & E-mail are weird 'cos their mother didn't teach them e-mail etiquette.

people & E-mail are weird 'cos their kids didn't teach them e-mail etiquette.

My two bob's worth is that any newbie should get an email explaining forum etiquette; otherwise they'll take as what goes what they see.

The email should advise them to search first (and how to do it) before posting a question; to read all posts in a thread before replying; and to be aware that any community only survives on a balance of giving and taking. It should encourage them to close the loop if they've been given useful advice by saying what they tried and how it went.

There are some subforums here that I used to participate in regularly but no longer because they're clogged with simple questions that a search would have answered. And increasingly members read the first post, ignore the rest and then jump in with their response when the subject matter has already been covered. It's fine if they want to waste their time; the effect on me is to discourage engagement.

Hi,

I just came across this thread. I have often replied to the respondants by thanking them. I do this because of the upbringing I had which included thanking those you had taken time out of their busy schedules to help me.

I also look on it from a contributors point of view of thinking "well that person at least acknowleged my reply (contribution)" and as such should they want an answer to another query then no problem.

As the saying goes "I like to be treated the way I treat them":wink:.

Regards
MH