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That helps slip by new south welshmen when playing footy.
Weren't you in taswegia?
Kicked me out :D . Wasnt into that sister stuff :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Gingermick
Fair comment. It appears that the whole blame game when it comes to parents and teachers is a universal argument. I have friends who work in elite private schools that make the same point. I agree that parents cannot be held soley responsible for their child's behaviour, especially teenagers, however I can not see how it can be anyone but the parents fault when an 11 year old does not wear, uniform to school, brings mobile phones and other banned items to school or has not taken their ADHD medication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carry Pine
That is correct wheelin, but I am not sure what relevance this has. I have met many parents who have retrained to become teachers, many are good teachers, many are not so good. Although there are some similarities, I in my opinion it is a false belief that because you are a good parent you will be a good teacher, likewise it would follow that if you are a good teacher you will not necessarily be a good parent. Where I sit on the parenting scale is yet to be seen and only time will tell. I do hope however that I have learned from some of the mistakes that I have seen other parents make.Quote:
Originally Posted by wheelinround
I don't get your point here, are you saying that by posting this on the net I am contributing to the problem? If so how?Quote:
Originally Posted by wheelinround
I have an interesting observation regarding the respect issue from today. The local community police officer made a planned visit this morning to speak with a group of students who had been involved in a fair bit of bullying and fighting both inside school and within the community after/outside of school. Many of these kids are on a new program of organised play (sport) at recess and lunch to stop them from roaming the school and getting themselves into trouble. They told the officer about this and asked if he would come and play cricket with them on Friday at lunch time. He said he would love to do that as it is better to visit for a good reason and if they stayed out of trouble till Friday he would come. Despite our best efforts to redirect these kids throughout the day and remind them of the Friday cricket game, four of the ten were suspended before the final siren. Although they had towed the line in front of the officer, their attitude for the rest of the day was "I don't care, who wants to play cricket with him anyway?" As mentioned before it is not just teachers who cop this but nurses, doctors, the police and anyone else who works with children.
I too don't have an answer but it is a good discussion.
PS, was spat on (in the eye:~) hit and kicked again today:rolleyes:
It's an excellent topic and gives us all a chance to put in our bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsy
I sympathize with teachers and take my hat off to them for the job they do and it's good to know they think enough of the kids to want to try and solve the problem. I think we all wish there was an easy solution to the problem. We don't know the answers but if we help even a few kids with a discussion such as this, then it's been worth it.
Finaly I found the wrap quote thing.:doh:Quote:
That is correct wheelin, but I am not sure what relevance this has. I have met many parents who have retrained to become teachers, many are good teachers, many are not so good. Although there are some similarities, I in my opinion it is a false belief that because you are a good parent you will be a good teacher, likewise it would follow that if you are a good teacher you will not necessarily be a good parent. Where I sit on the parenting scale is yet to be seen and only time will tell. I do hope however that I have learned from some of the mistakes that I have seen other parents make.
Well Burnsy I believe you answered your own question here. By saying you have no idea what sort of parent you will be (yet to be seen). That all you can hope for is learning from others and lessons you have gleened.
There is no rule book for parenting many have been written all have failed few have success (just read the bible its full of it even Christ was a rebel) (I am not preaching here just pointing out how far back it goes).
Regard in future all those parents you regard as usless parents with the thought that they to are learning each and every day just as the children you teach do and yourself.
I for many years saw kids and teachers adults treating their kids I also gleened lifes lessons. I also failed but I have 3 great kids 26 28 30 yrs. NOT perfect I am proud to call them mine. Taught to stand on their own two feet, believe in life and respect to give respect where it is given. To understand that no one is perfect yet we all strive to be, not in someone elses eyes but in our own.
No not you Burnsy :no: just look where kids get the idea from media the net chat rooms. We as kids used to do this in parks, behind the toilet blocks, playing games. Who owns media, who owns the sites they are putting the stuff up on, the same people who are the largest share holders the money magnets.Quote:
I don't get your point here, are you saying that by posting this on the net I am contributing to the problem? If so how?
So you all put the peasure on eh didn't trust them to make it to Friday, kept them busy so much so they may have got the shytes with it all. No different to you or I under stress related time frames and we are older.Quote:
I have an interesting observation regarding the respect issue from today. The local community police officer made a planned visit this morning to speak with a group of students who had been involved in a fair bit of bullying and fighting both inside school and within the community after/outside of school. Many of these kids are on a new program of organised play (sport) at recess and lunch to stop them from roaming the school and getting themselves into trouble. They told the officer about this and asked if he would come and play cricket with them on Friday at lunch time. He said he would love to do that as it is better to visit for a good reason and if they stayed out of trouble till Friday he would come. Despite our best efforts to redirect these kids throughout the day and remind them of the Friday cricket game, four of the ten were suspended before the final siren. Although they had towed the line in front of the officer, their attitude for the rest of the day was "I don't care, who wants to play cricket with him anyway?" As mentioned before it is not just teachers who cop this but nurses, doctors, the police and anyone else who works with children.
Hail Hail parents have said the same thing for centuries its all a game "WHO's TOP DOG"Quote:
I too don't have an answer but it is a good discussion.
Unfortunatley you can't relate the full circumstances.Quote:
PS, was spat on (in the eye:~) hit and kicked again today:rolleyes:
This I don't think should happen to anyone teacher nurse parent (bus/coach driver I had my share of it too) not just by kids adults, woman & men in suits.
nah was going to relate something but nope.
It has become a top discussion I agree lest hope its not keepig you from your WOODWORK top priority and worthy stress relief for us all.
quote: Many of these kids are on a new program of organised play (sport) at recess and lunch to stop them from roaming the school and getting themselves into trouble. (Burnsy)
Burnsy, we have this too- called 'supervised play'. It's for kids who don't know how to play games with each other. And how sad is that? We have about 20 out of a school of 360. Organised and monitored by teacher's aides and the executive takes overall responsibility. We show them how to play checkers (draughts for you old folks like me) and even chess. They also play structured ball games and gross motor stuff. Interesting that they have never been taught checkers before! We also play simple card games where you need to take turns- another learning experience.
Carry Pine
This is not personal its the program I am knocking who ever thought it up needs to open their minds more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carry Pine
I find it shame that people seem to think everyone has to be a part of a team, supervised, not left to have time to themselves to think things through. Yes this can result in major problems. How often do adults need time alone adults are still somebodies kids.
If your teaching in a rual comunity what time do your kids get up do they have chores to do, sibblings to help get ready while mum n dad are off working the farm at work or just got home from it.
My cousins lived 50 minutes sorry (it was 50 mins when I drove the run years later) 1 1/2 hrs by bus from their high school. They had to be up and at the bus stop by 7am this was after crossing the river by punt. I when driving country kids started one run at 6.30am first pick up. same travel time home. then all these kids had chores to do.
No time to themselves, always part of a family get in get it done.
Ever tried a regeneration period at school.
Sad isn't it that these kids lack the ability to interact socially with each other in a positive way, it seems all to common. If left to their own devices these kids roam in a pack targeting others as a form of amusement. They are all capable at sports and enjoy playing it but without being told that is the only option they have they will not go out and play of their own accord. However, the really sad thing is, they are all mates but even when they play a game of cricket together they end up arguing and fighting. The whole ideal of fair play and sportsmanship is just lost on them and they will generally choose to take the bat and leave rather than hand it over to the next batter quickly so they can try and get them out so that they may have another bat:rolleyes: They need an adult constantly present to tell them they are out or it is someone elses turn (like the computer does when they loose) and even then they will argue or sulk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carry Pine
Another nail driven in by to much time spent in front of the game console and not enough actually socialising:((. When I ask many of the boys in my class what they got up to over the weekend they will say they went to a friends, or such and such came over to play. When I ask what did they do? The answer is played X-Box 9 times out of ten. This hardly rates as playing as far as I am concerned - sitting together in front of a screen for three hours but not speaking or interacting with each other outside of what is happening within the game.
1st sentance why do they have to interact socially in a positive way:?Quote:
Sad isn't it that these kids lack the ability to interact socially with each other in a positive way, it seems all to common. If left to their own devices these kids roam in a pack targeting others as a form of amusement. They are all capable at sports and enjoy playing it but without being told that is the only option they have they will not go out and play of their own accord. However, the really sad thing is, they are all mates but even when they play a game of cricket together they end up arguing and fighting. The whole ideal of fair play and sportsmanship is just lost on them and they will generally choose to take the bat and leave rather than hand it over to the next batter quickly so they can try and get them out so that they may have another bat:rolleyes: They need an adult constantly present to tell them they are out or it is someone elses turn (like the computer does when they loose) and even then they will argue or sulk.
Did you when you were at school were you forced to be part of a group/click/gang/team:? The difference betwen a Gang and team is what exactly..........just the term used one dorogatory. Look at any sport these days one or two are the chosen ones the rest are their only to fill the gaps. News reports of player NOT Team work. It starts at school by teachers they pick the special ones out they make them stand out give them status. Weekend sports are no different it takes all players to get the points not just one person.
Your doing exactly the same aren't you Burnsy in this forum. kids are also even if its online gaming. Wwe se members be ridiculed, poked fun at it even gets serious your still somebodies KID playing with a computer. Your not soicalising by doing this HOW??:doh:Quote:
Another nail driven in by to much time spent in front of the game console and not enough actually socialising:((. When I ask many of the boys in my class what they got up to over the weekend they will say they went to a friends, or such and such came over to play. When I ask what did they do? The answer is played X-Box 9 times out of ten. This hardly rates as playing as far as I am concerned - sitting together in front of a screen for three hours but not speaking or interacting with each other outside of what is happening within the game.
Chat rooms are not socialising HOW??
Kids playing games on machines is not learning socialising HOW??
When kids get together they talk games, what they did the night before, who they chatted to the night before how they won.
Adults sit and watch TV use the computer whats the difference:roll:.
You go to your shed and oh NO your anti social away from the wife/family/freinds:o then you come and brag show off get social in the new world the whole world.
We seem to have a society that must apportion blame
rather than teach people how to overcome and avoid failures.
So all blame should obviously be that of society itself.
and Punishment should fit the crime
Publicly humiliate the ratbags and watch nonsence dissipate very rapidly
A set of stocks should be installed and used in every school yard and shopping mall
Well it's gotta be someones fault if there are soooo many laws that have the effect of removing a persons responsibility and placing it on someone else. (re young idiot leans out of train to grafitti and gets injured and sues train company)Quote:
Originally Posted by echnidna
WOW thats right it is someones fault usuallt the person or persons involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gingermick
One persons point of view is not maybe the truth or facts.
Just heading in the direction of becoming another USA like the fellow who owned a brand new Motor Home trundeling down the Highway he hit cruise control got out the drivers seat to go make a coffee sued the company because they didn't explain about cruise control and dangers of getting out the seat whilest in motion.:doh:
Listening to a younger generation radio station this morning, I do this occassionally FBI radio http://www.fbiradio.com/content.php/3.html
I heard this following announcement
New TAFE ads commence this week
<!-- NEWS START --> <small>25 September 2007</small>
<small>By Diane Hague
Media and Communicatons Officer</small><!--ENDCONTENT--> <!--STARTCONTENT--> Commencing this week is a new round of TAFE advertising on television, radio and strip ads in the Sun-Herald.
The 'TAFE is the answer' tv ad will run on regional television for two weeks. A new radio ad will be broadcast on NOVA for three weeks and a strip ad will be published in the Sun-Herald on 30 September, 7 October and 14 October.
The advertising will refer to the AEU's national TAFE claim, that it will take an extra $470 million in 2008, minimum, to fund TAFE to address Australia's skills crisis.
The radio ad states:
"Australia's skills shortage is a national crisis.
We've got jobs, no-one to fill them
Want a future for our children
We've got to train them up and skill them.
TAFE is the answer
We can start with education
Build on a strong foundation
To become a clever nation.
TAFE is the answer
It'll take an extra $470 million in 2008 - minimum
TAFE is the answer."
Given the comments of the Federal Minister for Vocational and Further Education, Andrew Robb, today, that the Federal government if re-elected, would tie future funding to the imposition of a WorkChoices style agenda, including Australian Workplace Agreements; more autonomy for Institutes and the threat of directing funding to private providers to force change, the advertising campaign is timely.
TAFE has been starved of funding by the Federal government and this lack of funding is directly related to Australia's skills crisis.
<!--ENDCONTENT-->
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This by the same institution who demands their members have everything paid for which means they get it FREE all their tuition on going courses education etc.
And we ask where do they get it from. Our Children.
Listen to the radio station you'll be surprised at what our kids are listening too.
Ray
I banned commercial tv
my kids are 14 (girl) 10 (boy)
I am seriously worried about my daughter, we're likk saffi and edina (Ab Fab)
she gets embarrassed if i wear a lowish top etc
sometimes its just nature, somtimes nurture or just genes
I am happy that they hate mac d's
prefer chip shop burgers
we arnt rich or poor but I think before i let them do stuff
I think a lot has to do with the strengh of the child to resist peer pressure.
my girl is shy but not weak, this caused probs in primary but not in secndary.
the boys think shes a great mate and the barbie girls leave her alone.
my son is a cheerful bandit!!
love my kids
astrid