I can't find it in the script.... I think you made it up. (or remembered it from Kingswood Country :D )
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I can't find it in the script.... I think you made it up. (or remembered it from Kingswood Country :D )
The meek dont want it,
Sebastiaan
OK, well let us know how you go with your evangelism :wink:Quote:
why not people are free to change their minds
It's not so much that religion is given too much respect (in fact it's quite the opposite I reckon) it's that the debates inevitably become heated and it all comes down to a person's right to believe what they want. I'm all for it personally, I agree 100% that too much religious interference in day to day life is a bad thing.Quote:
too much quiet respect
Because an atheist has no more proof that god does not exist (or is dead) than a theist does that he exists (or is alive). So making absolute statements one way or the other without proof is, to me, illogical. It's like saying "there is/is not life on other planets" rather than "there could be life on other planets".Quote:
how exactly ?
God is a 6000' tall Red Jelly Bean.
I don't know. Do you? :pQuote:
Is there life on other planets or not?
I've met a few people who seem to be from another planet, so it could be true.
The answer is maybe. We will never have a definitive 'No'. We might have a definitive 'Yes'.Quote:
Life on other planets: Yes or No?
God is in jail.
That’s where Paris Hilton found him.
Then you are a 'weak atheist' which is more like an agnostic than a 'strong atheist'. A strong atheist denies the existence of god/s.
Evidence is not proof. You cannot say this is because I have evidence. You can use the evidence to attempt to prove or disprove your hypothesis. There is evidence for god, there is evidence against. I find the evidence against more compelling but there is no proof (nor do I believe there ever can be). You can call that sitting on the fence if you want, but I wont be compelled to make a decision one way or the other.
'Snot the debate that's against the rules. It's the subject matter that ruffles a few feathers.
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The way I see it, the whole debate is pointless because what you are asking a religious person to do is to forgoe the very thing that makes them religious, which is the faith that their invisible friend does exist. And what they are asking you to do is to accept that he exists. Neither of those things is going to happen. All the debate about the truth of the bible, the age of the earth, evolution vs creationism that is used to try to win the argument would crumble away if you remove the idea of faith. Without faith, there is no longer anything to argue about.
I find it amusing that you have creationists trying to find evidence to counter evolutionist theory, Trying to use science against itself. Science would drop evolution theory like a hot potato if someone came up with something better. It still doesn't prove the existence of god.
And vice versa. Say you could prove that the bible was actually complete fiction. Do you think that would bring an end to christianity?
Too many greenies to hand out in this thread.
I quite like Douglas Adams take on religion Ie the bit where he indicates that without faith god is nothing, and proof belies faith thus if you get proof it negates faith and removes the need for faith therefore god cant exist and thus vanishes in a puff of logic. or some such thing...
I love it. He must a spent some time navel contemplating over that one...
all th god botherers should keep it to themselves, there'd be less war and swearing at the front door.
Anyone watch that show on SBS about the freak Mormon polygamists ? I wonder how truthful that is... surely they cant be THAT good looking, I imagine polygamy is so ugly people can get married but at least the spouse doesnt have to shag an ugly person too much due to having to spread themselves around...
see my auto signature...
A monkey and a dog arguing religion, this is a good day
I once heard James Morrison (yes, the trumpet player) and well known explainer of things, say that he has a feeling that the more difficult things are to understand the more important they are. He used the examples of (in increasing degrees of perplexity), electricity, love, God.
Perhaps he had a point.
On the other had Douglas Adams had another take:
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.Quote:
There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers just exactly what the universe is for and why we are here, that it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Then there is a theory which states that this has already happened.
or
Now it is such a bizarrely improbably coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful [the Babel fish] could have evolved by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED"
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
Hmmm...
P (resorting to quoting others)
:p :p
They are not my terms.Quote:
You can call it what ever you want
Well, if evidence was proof, then all court cases would get a guilty verdict, would they not?Quote:
Why not, isnt that how court cases are decided every day...why cant I apply the same logic to the religion debate ?
The fact that a very, very large number of people believe in him. Something makes them feel that way. There are documents saying that he exists. There are events which people say are evidence. Like I say, I am more in favour of the negative side.Quote:
I dispute that there is any evidence for God.
If there is no evidence, then why are you not a 7?
Thanks for that Ruddigar :).
... is the boss and he is right that there are problably better places to discuss these things. And of course I will cease and desist if my posts are not wanted or contributing in anyway. I guess it is inevitable that dicussions on this topic so often lead to heads becoming hot :rolleyes: . I just think it is a sad that a theist and an atheist cant have a pleasant, freindly and interesting debate about their beliefs( by that I dont mean just this forum but in general)
cheers
BD:2tsup:
A truly wonderous discussion is taking place here, and I'm starting to get the point...
This you say, is indeed god-like, therefore there is a God?
Does have a personalised plate then?
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