Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
Has Grunt gotten his point across yet?
Fer once I'm with the hound, evolve you buggas or be extinct:cool: .
For a start 'ill got' isn't in the Oxford dictionary but ill gotten is.Quote:
Originally Posted by craigb
'ill got gains' sounds like a Cockney would say it. Thos', ill got gains, eh Gov?
Nope. You won't convince me that the past tense of get is gotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by E. maculata
It's not eveloution it's illiteracy. :p
T-rex = Dinosaur
You would of gotten a greenie for that if I could of given it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by craigb
As for Dan asking what does it matter?? One of the reasons we have policemen is to reinforce boundaries of behaviour that society deems acceptable.
By nature we need boundaries to either push or live within.
If we had no rules or conventions with language, we would all be speaking differently, and would not be able to communicate at all.
One of the marvels of language is that it is always evolving. I have no issues with those who are ignorant of the rules our who just don't get them (those with poor spelling for instance) getting the occasional word wrong, but to turn an adverb into an adjective by adding the suffix "izational" or to create a whole new term "negative growth" when there is already a perfectly good suite of words that serve the purpose is an affront to anyone who thinks seriously about the language.
Surely we are not making it simpler by creating new words?
For the record, "gotten" is indeed the past participle of "get" from Middle English, yet even in North American usage they have different meanings. Gotten usually emplies the process of obtaining something "ill-gotten gains" while got implies a state of possession or ownership.
Cheers,
P (who is fascinated by this stuff and must read more!)
:D :D :D
I'll accept that the only time that gotten is correct is in the phrase ill gotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
That doesn't mean and never will that the past tense of get is gotten.
It may be in common use in America but we don't speak American English here. Which was how this started in the first place.
I still would think that gains could be "ill got". Shakespear probably used it.
Do a Google. People do use it.Quote:
I still would think that gains could be "ill got".
get got give gave giving given
It all sounds like nonsense after awhile if you say it over and over.
My 6yo daughter has developed a habit of saying 'caughten' instead of caught. Makes sense to her :rolleyes: She'd probably say 'gotten' too but then she doesn't know any better.
May I introduce you our new English language consultant.:D
Sorry little Britain is a big thing in the house at the moment.
Jive,
De English language be a livin' language
Sweedish English
Zee Ingleesh lungooege-a is a leefing lungooege-a
This whole discussion has gotten out of hand.
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Nah, we are heading to the right direction.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
In some parts of the US they use a word (sounds like) "storeborten", bought from a shop as opposed to home made.
Some Simple Rules to Affect Forsooth Speech.
Perceive the World through the Eyes of Your Persona.
Describe the World in Terms Suitable for Your Persona
Never use contractions where you normally would.
Always use contractions where you normally would not.
Never use 3 syllables where 5 will fit.
Use alliteration and other poetic devices.
Think first, talk later.
In a similar vein, I've stopped having apoplexy when hearing people use a noun as a verb - e.g. "let's whiteboard this", and just content myself with some dark muttering;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
When in South Africa, a common expression was "Ya well, no fine". It tooks me ages to realise that it just meant "oh well..."
Does negative growth equate to positive decline or vice cersa:confused:
Ya gotten me Iain, who knows!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain
How about a growing decline or declining growth.
Negative growth = decline. I used to think it meant that the rate of growth, whilst still positive, was declining - that would make at least a little bit of sense. However it actually means a decline in numbers of whatever - usually population.
I think it was invented by managers to cover up the truth. For example, instead of creating panic by saying "we've made a loss this year" they say "we are experiencing a period of negative growth".
My hairline has been experiencing negative growth for a few years;) , its gotten so bad my dome is now chrome.:p
You don't need hair mate, it's a waste of energy growing it. All those people with sissy girl hair have got it all wrong ;)
In fact, as I have observed before, when we are born we are given a certain amount of testosterone.
Why some people waste it growing hair has got me stuffed.
P
:D :D :D
must be better than fighting in the public house though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
P2 :D
You're right again Midge.Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
I'm 61:-
Hair 100%
Sex 0%
:( :( :(
Ok, someone who lives near Termite should stop by and give him one.
Haircut?