How can he say the fights weren't racially based when by his own admission they needed "Dutch" courage???
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How can he say the fights weren't racially based when by his own admission they needed "Dutch" courage???
Cheers,
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:D :D :D
I am surrounded by cat lovers. 3 in my own house and 2 next door.
Sigh! Talk about racial differences.
Too many cats to hate but only 1 Wongo.:(
If you can cop the "idiot" tag in good humour, there's probably no need for an apology!Quote:
Originally Posted by 46150
P (that's tongue in cheek too! ;) )
:D :D :D
Apparently it's a sign of a disaffected youth. Do a search on that and the first few hits are on UK sites, so it's all their fault - they obviously invented the term.
According to the dictionary, it means "discontented as toward authority". Sounds like all kids to me, in particular mine. So I have two disaffected youths in my house. I think I need extra riot powers, like those just given to the NSW police, to combat dissent in my house. Zero tolerance tonight, kiddies. Bedtime is 7:30 PM - as soon as the Prime Possum says so.
Perhaps you're right. But to be fair, after the two years expired she was only 2 1/2, and she hasn't had a need for a passport since then. She'll get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocker
Is that still around, I thought we trapped it relocated it years ago:D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by silentC
It would be good to humiliate the thugs with it though.
I saw the powers allocated to police today, about bloody time, watching these thugs stand there and taunt and abuse police and anyone else they deem fit.
Going to be a few hotrods for sale soon I think.
Might even get to offload some o0f my old BMX's to them on Ebay:D :D :D
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Originally Posted by Neil
It's strange that brawls and riots are called 'unaustralian' when we have such a long history of it.
WW2 saw some pretty vicious clashes between the yanks and aussie soldiers in brisbane.
Various strikes have occurred in Australia which had violent acts occurring in them (wharfies strike in Cairns was broken up with a large brawl in the 20's)
Another little incident called the Eureka stockade...
Miners riots back in the 19th century against the influx of asians, very nasty stuff with many serious bashings and a few deaths.
Rum rebellion riots even earlier than that.
Seems like it's an Aussie tradition to me.
For some information and an overall perspective on violence in Australia have a look at this site:
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/vt/vt9-text.html
Its really a law & order problem
Used to have mobs from Collingwood arriving on the buses and attacking St Kilda bodgies yonks ago - gee must be getting old
Also the Westy troglodytes and the Northern Beaches surf bums quite enjoyed the odd stoush 20 - 30 years ago
Its a territory thing that the white supremists and other racist groups have hijacked and escalated
Easy for them when our cops are allowed to keep turning a blind eye
We badly need New York style zero tolerance policing to stop these guys in their tracks before they get traction and develop this kind of momentum
Happy Days!:D :D :D
allowed or forced?Quote:
Easy for them when our cops are allowed to keep turning a blind eye
Yeah! Happy Days! Was the Fonz a rocker or a greaser? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Barry F
Tosser I thought. :p :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Driver
Your just jealous - he appeared to tongue kiss some awesome girlies! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by craigb
Oh and this thread has been way tamer than bashing yanks so I don't see it going anywhere :D :D
Cheers
No, now maybe I'm a bit thick, but tongue in cheek or whatever that still needs some explaining, due to its offensiveness.Quote:
Bring back the White Australia Policy.......Enoch Powell ,RIP.
If the White Australia Policy is to be re-implemented, at the very least as a bad solution to a complex problem, who will give my wife and I a lift to the airport, and will you want my Australian Active Service Medal and my "Campaign" medals back?
White Australia Policy - idiocy then, idiocy now. Being a decent human asks for more than that.
I have them too but they won't let me vote.......(Australian Active Service Medal and my "Campaign" medals)
Just never got around to the naturalisation process, I hate the parade and all the crap associated with it.
I would be happy to take an oath, with an official, in an office but not put on public display, I just don't like it.
Same here, thats what I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain
Al :)
Bashing a Seppo is just good fun, and they know it, but bashing a Lebbo will get some innocent bystander thumped from behind with a baseball bat!Quote:
Originally Posted by TEEJAY
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Need to send the super nanny down to Cronulla and sort it out.
OK out of the play pen the coppers are meant to do it. Bit of old fashioned policing would work wonders I think. Mind you the courts have to be pulled into line and enforce the law to community standards. The standards they use too often are the standards of an academic minority who do not have to live with the consequences of their philosophy. The notion that the perpetrator is a victim and shouldn't be punished is complete nonsence. Tonight A Current Affair ran old video of police parked and suffering abuse and intimidation from gang members. Should have charged the guy with drunk and disorderly and locked him up. To often the Police seem timid and that is the fault of their political masters.
Studley
Hi , was I censored on my post last night?
Probably fair enough if so. Guess I didnt adhere to my own sentiment's as stated at the begining of the thread :o.
Now I know why the back of my neck really hurts, must be from that well tuned axe! :D
Re. the media: A case in point. There's a story in the SMH about a church hall in Auburn that was burned down last night. Pretty suspicious, it's right next to an Islamic centre, however you cannot jump to conclusions.
The headline? "Church Fire Linked With Riots". Then you read the story: 'Asked if the blaze was related to the riots, Mr Iemma said "it may be".'
It may be. Does that justify the headline Church Fire Linked With Riots? Well, you could argue that the word 'linked' referred to Mr Iemma's suggestion that it could be related. But most people would read 'Church Burned Down By Lebanese Muslims in Retaliation For Cronulla Riots'.
The other thing that annoys me is the way they keep referring to "Sydney's Racial Tensions". It has nothing to do with racial tensions.
Oh, and did you see the Bra Boys meeting the Comancheros on the news last night? It's like some bizarre other-dimensional world. Why didn't the cops lock them all up while they were all together? It's just bizarre that these guys are being given any credence, let alone being portrayed as messengers of peace.
The whole place is going to hell in a handbasket, I tells yah. Get out while you can....
I enjoyed the medias reference to a 'spokesman', the pathetic sod could barely put two words 'tergevver'....
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by martrix
I hope that all the coppers that were injured make full recoveries.
Maybe the state government could push legislation through forcing journos' and their bosses into riot gear and a front of our blokes in blue at the front line during flare ups like this.
Sooner or later the media must examine itself surely :(
Havnt been here much latley...
As I posted in Another Forum
Put them all in a paddock at let them go for it, Both lebbos and Aussies.
Just leave the people that have nothing to do with it alone.
the ones that should be paying for this are first the lebbos that attacked the lifeguards in the first place and the other ones that are of unruley behaviour by spitting on people etc....
and
second the Aussies that are just as bad as they are...
leave the normal people out of it...
My 2 Cents...
IMHO the religion thing is just a stereotype. And each group wants to back up the religion that they aren't even part of so the other can't get one on them. Just that one group relates to the mosque the other to the other place.:confused:
And violent deekheads are violent deadheads, wherever they are from. As that is likely to have been said here before I apologise.
These guys have too much testosterone. Bring back national service. Young men of that age need to vent their feelings in some way. This does not excuse that brainless element who consider themselves as anarchists. Governments also need to have a damn hard look at themselves and stop this social engineering crap and political corectness garbage. We are rapidly going away from being a democracy. Band aid legislation just treats the symptons and does nothing for the disease. It adds more restictions to the little bit of freedom we have left. It suits the news barons and politicians to call this mess "racial" when in fact it is theologicaly motivated and will not go away. It is very sad to see our Aussie values and life style being threatened by un Australian elements.
If they don't like the way we live send them back to wherever the hell they came from. We are too soft and because of that we are being taken advantage of. It is a sad Christmas season.
hmmmmmmm
Was reading yesterday the link provided earlier.
The copper there, I think his name is Price, wrote at length of the deterioration of the police force under Peter Ryan, of complaints to IAD being given too much cred in that the police arrested gang members who then complained. Mosque leaders spoke out the politically correct bunch got into it too and the police were given a slapping for doing their job. Pretty soon they just let the crims run loose.
He told also of people with no front line or street experience being promoted in the bureacratic system under Ryan. This increased the problem of police being unsure of how to manage events that happen. He spoke also of recruits leaving the academy and talking of making the difference counceling and the like which has nothing to do with police work. It is social work and the police should be charged only with maintaining law and order. To instruct them otherwise is to create an unfocussed and impotent force.
So I don't blame race or religion. People in charge who lacked the backbone to set standards, basically this is the law in australia and everyone obeys it. Culture has become an acceptable excuse for criminal behaviour. That is unacceptable. Politicians should be told as much. Judges likewise.
Stephen
This is what I have been trying to say...Quote:
So I don't blame race or religion. People in charge who lacked the backbone to set standards, basically this is the law in australia and everyone obeys it. Culture has become an acceptable excuse for criminal behaviour. That is unacceptable. Politicians should be told as much. Judges likewise.
Looks like at least one of the Asian countries doesn't like it either:Quote:
whether we like it or not, (and I do) we are an Asian nation, or were last time I looked at an atlas.
Rejected!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SMH
My other opinion is an excess of laws and regulations discourages people from taking responsibility. Some lazy parents dont think they need to take responsibility of their children after they stop breast feeding.
And the kids get wind of their 'rights' very early. "You can't tell me what to do" And that is just too hard for them to deal with.
Some of these people are 15-18. My eldest will be that age in 5 years and I will be insisting he behave in a way we consider apporpriate.
Yeh, that would be nice but I reckon the majority of the nobs doing this are actually from Australia. Says a lot more about unemployment, cultural indifference, ignorance, alcohol and peer group pressure than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Mac
I was going to post a big diatribe about exactly what I thought, telling you all what I think but then I was worried that Lignum would tell me that I was part of the 50% that should be ashamed of themselves - don't want that sort of shame hanging around.....
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Woodies versus non Woodies.....Foilies versus Non Foilies??Quote:
Originally Posted by Clinton1
I watched the special on SBS tonight and had an epifanny (a half arsed idea). That pollie on the show wanted it all to be about him, so, get rid of the bludger.
It seemed to me it was a gang and policing issue. If the police didn't have the numbers the gangs grew and intimidated the locals. That seems to have grown out of hand and been made worse by the idjits that want front line coppers to be social workers. They just don't seem to realise that a swift kick up the rear can do wonders to turn around an impressionable youth.
Tell the coppers to take control of the streets again, give 'em resources and the laws they need to do it and bolster the internal affairs (?) staff to keep an eye on them while they do it. Oh yeah, and review the legal system. It seems to be there to support lawyers and judges rather than to see justice administered (in both directions).
(minor rant mode /off)
I was given a copy of the link put up by Silent, from another source. Well worth a read although it's 12 pages. http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/artic...article_id=581
The news tonight talked about a police lockdown of beaches from Newcastle to Wollongong for the weekend, no go areas, roadblocks and car and body searches. A hundred years ago when I was a lad, a big sargeant copper could clout a young thug around the ear without fear of a police harrassment charge, and nip his career of crime in the bud. There was either respect or fear of the police depending on the type of contact you had with them, the open defiance from even those under arrest that is shown on tv, would never be contemplated. It must be a rite of passage to be shown giving the finger to all and sundry on the evening news (although they keep their faces covered). It's enough to make you think (fleetingly) of going to N'Zulund.
Just kidding(the last bit)
Graeme
A bit less than a hundred years ago when I was a lad, a couple of coppers could get drunk, pick up some young lad cos they didn't like the way he was dressed, strip search him, beat the crap out of him, threaten to "get it on with his girlfriend" without the fear of a police harrassment charge, and make him resent the police so much he considered a life in crime. But then I grew up under the Bjelkie Peterson.Quote:
Originally Posted by graemet
Just giving the other side of the story.
We need to be very careful about giving police too much power
Do I understand this right ? Have the police asked everyone to stay off the beaches this weekend ? What the ... is it comming to . :confused:
I agree with your concerns but not with your conclusion. The police should have all the powers they need to deal with the circumstances presented to them. However, having been on the wrong side of Queensland police myself in my youth, I also agree with concern over them abusing their powers.Quote:
Originally Posted by julianx
The balance I think is in the police being monitored closely for signs of abuse or excessive complaints. My preference would be to err on the side of the police than the gangs. It's not a simple fix.
I assume that you are talking about yourself......did you take up a life of crime?Quote:
Originally Posted by julianx
If it wasnt you that your talking about.....did that person take up a life of crime?
I too experienced the wrath of the QLD police, but i also gained a bit of respect as well.....or was i too #### scared to offend again....probably a bit of both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Groggy
Why isnt it a simple fix?
If you break the law, you get arrested and if the charge is found proven you go to jail...if not jail...work on a road gang......thats pretty simple.
It seems that a lot of these guys think themselves above the law.....send the cops out safe in the knowledge that they can crack a head or ten and not have some do gooder standing over him say you cant do this or that.
IMHO the do gooders have been given the last 25 years to prove that their point of veiw is the correct one.......they were wrong....they gave away any sence of authority that our protective services used to have.
I fear that it will be MUCH harder to regain than it was to give away!!!!
I don't think there is any real need to change the law. Police don't need sweeping new powers. What they need is focused and strong leadership. Likewise they need to be charged with enforcing the law. Social work belongs elsewhere as does making and keeping budgets.
Internal Affairs is a bit of a problem as Crims are very good at screaming that they have been harrassed every time they are charged. The worst crims are the ones most practiced at working the system. They shouldn't be allowed to do that however that is only a change of policy not of law to curtail that sort of thing.
I think there is a fair bit of Police officers not feeling confident in using the powers that they do have.
I am sure many of you remember the Milperra Massacre some years ago. What happened there an experienced Officer was the man on the ground at the scene. He arrested basically everyone for any charge he could so as to be able to detain and question them. Couldn't charge anyone with murder on the day but the statements led to convictions. Drunk and Disorderly, Offensive behaviour etc. Smart cops of yesteryear used that when they knew something bigger was up but didn't have evidence to charge the perpetrator. Suppose they did that early on the day last sunday, nab a few of the noisier ones make the others think twice, show that they won't tollerate loutish behaviour.
Studley