Sounds like that's not your preference. What would you favour?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
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Sounds like that's not your preference. What would you favour?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
Thats true but how can you do it with a min 1.5m distance? We are looking at covering some Theory heavy units online at this point in time until they decide about small prac. groups
Just now in the news:
A plane from Sydney to Adelaide has been turned back in mid-air after a cluster of coronavirus cases among Qantas baggage handlers prompted health officials to recommend travellers wipe down their bags and suitcases.
Eh? W.T.F. is the matter with the airport authorities? I would have thought that they would have been spray (or some method) disinfecting ALL luggage bloody weeks ago! Relying on customers to wipe them down indeed.
That appears to be a domestic flight but was/is it the same for international flights? :doh:
Small prac. groups would sort of work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
Split your classes into two or three so each kid gets their own piece of kit to work on. i.e. no sharing.
Issue will be teacher burn out -- you can't trust the kids to properly disinfect the prac. kit so it would double your work load.
Here in Alberta, there is no face-to-face school till at least September -- but half of June and all of July and August are scheduled holidays anyway.
School was "suspended" 2-1/2 weeks ago, so by mid June, the kids will have been studying at home for approximately 3 months.
Importantly, the uni entrance exams -- called Diplomas -- have been cancelled and will now be based on the school assessment
Could you not record classes on video (even if you don't have a 'real' camera phones do a pretty good job these days) and put them up on Youtube? That way you could demonstrate the use of the devices/machines you instruct in. Send the links to your students and then they can start/pause/stop them to their hearts' content. At regular intervals have "Teams" sessions for students to ask questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
talking to students shows, for inline video, they are more experienced with FaceTime and Skye. We will be sending out a questionnaire re capability and preferences this week. Some students do not have access the computers at home so we are hoping employers will assist if they are still open. We may end up using a number of different programs depending on response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
Yes I can understand the difficulty in getting the students to accept a new way of doing things but as someone who went back to work after an 18 month 'holiday' and finding that the whole "team collaboration" landscape had changed I can assure you that you adapt quickly. You're doing the same thing, just in a different way. But good luck, it has to be a better solution for you. I can't imagine walking into a classroom full of students every day in the current situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
Thats the plan. We already teach self paced so it’s not a concept the students are alien with. Phones, emails etc are open all day. It’s just setting up for demos online rather than face to face and the short amount of time we have to set it up but I still have a job and the students will still get taught so that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
I know nothing about MS Teams or its capabilities, and only a little more about Zoom (used it twice), but FWIW in Zoom the host can share what's on their screen even to the extent that the others can see the mouse cursor moving around on screen. Maybe Teams does that sort of thing too. The host can also give over hosting to someone else so they can share their screen.
Sounds very similar to Zoom FF. It will be fun learning something new, it’s just the time frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
Yeah, well everyone (management, teachers, students) has to be patient about that sort of thing. The ENTIRE country - to a person - is on a learning curve with all sorts of twists and turns. The curve is steep and long, and with many branches. There'll be mistakes, hiccups and frustrations. Maybe even deferrals. Lola just deferred her own studies at Sturt until next term because there is just too much going on (also does random work for Sydney Uni and Laureate). Apart from anything else she got flooded out on Feb 9th in the big wet weekend, and had to move out instantly. From nothing unusual going on to moved out completely within 72 hours. AND she was working every day in Sydney at the time. The carpet cleaning guy and I took out 350 litres of water from a room smaller than 3x3m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
I heard something on the radio (RN) about a conferencing type programme. It may have been zoom, but whatever it was it could host up to 40 people at once and was really only limited by the speed/capacity of your operating system, which for some of us could be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
Regards
Paul
GraemeQuote:
Originally Posted by GraemeCook
Just on the subject of chutzpah may I bring in a small degree of humour and relate a story? It goes like this.
A Jewish gentleman is having an appointment with his divorce lawyer and the conversation goes along these lines:
Lawyer: How can I help you?
Gentleman: I wish to divorce my wife.
Lawyer: OK. What would be the grounds for the divorce?
Gentleman: It's because of a chutzpah!
Lawyer: OK. Leave it with me.
They make a time for a follow up appointment and the Jewish gentleman takes his leave. The lawyer immediately rushes into his secretary and asks her what the hell a chutzpah is. She doesn't know, but promises to find out. When she comes back to him she triumphantly declares it is yiddish for an insult. At the next appointment the conversation goes like this.
Lawyer: Welcome back. Now I understand that you would like me to progress your divorce because your wife has insulted you.
Gentleman: No. no, no, no, you don't understand.
Lawyer: I'm sorry?
Gentleman: Let me explain. If you come home unexpectedly and find your wife engaged in a sexual act with another man that is an insult. If your wife continues with the activity and calls out "Stick around, you might learn something!" THAT'S a chutzpah!
Is the Virgin airline trying it on?
Regards
Paul
Edit: Is the Virgin Airline requesting an immaculate concept? :rolleyes:
So, its April Fools Day in two hours, what are you guys going to do to top what has happened every other day?
This I've gotta see.
Interesting report from the UK yesterday about two unrelated cases of murder in family homes, The police say they are not looking for anyone else in connection with either case. Seems like lock-down is finding the cracks in relationships. I suspect the suicide rate will also climb but have not seen any stats on that yet. Also, I don't like the way SWMBO looks at me while she's using the breadknife.:oo: Pete
Im still waiting for the power to be fully restored from that same storm. Only a 20 amp total supply since they restored it 23 DAYS after the event. Haven’t been able to use any big machines since then, been very frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
There'll be a lot of strange tales come out of this situation, but how about two people locked down in a 29m² apartment in Toronto. (that's 2x my shed)
I had to reassure SWMBO that lockdown was nothing to do with BDSM.
Regards
Paul
Opportunity lost! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmiller
As a group we have been extremely critical of the reluctance to act. Should Australia begin to be proactive? For example there is now some controversy over the public/private hospital systems particularly following the cancellation of elective surgery. I noticed in the following report that a field hospital has been built in Central Park. Now I am not suggesting for one moment that the Australian situation is anywhere near that of New York, but I would expect that such arrangements should be ready to go at the click of fingers if it became necessary.
Coronavirus death toll in US passes China, but Beijing is missing figures
The same report mentions that China has conceded asymptomatic patients were not previously included in their stats. My take on that is it is a face saver to enable them to "up" the numbers without admitting it wasn't the full truth. If my assumption is correct it would then lead on to a situation there that is much less in control than the Chinese have been saying and they are most concerned tending towards edgy.
Regards
Paul
I was just reading about the good fortune of Queensland public servants who are apparently due for a 2.5% pay rise and a cash bonus of $1,250, lucky them. This is despite the current Covid-19 crisis. Apparently there are 224,000 of the little buggars, of whom “More than two-thirds of Queensland public sector FTE (67.29 per cent) are women”. In an apparent demonstration of co-operation they are participating in an "all-staff" ballot that opened last week to approve the rise. I wonder if it will get over the line?
And why have I not noticed any protests about the obvious gender imbalance?
I wouldn't trust any of the Chinese figures at all, at any stage (past, now, future). Like Russia, Iran, DPRK and any similar states, they think they have a point to prove.
Good question! I am wondering why the feminists aren't up in arms about so many women being equal with men in low-paid jobs instead of being equal with the men in higher paid jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
Best alert Bettina Arndt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
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Originally Posted by Bushmiller
If you want to see some clanger examples of Chinese hypersensitivity and edginess, check out the links below.
The responses by the "50 Cent Army" are unhinged. The delusion, paranoia and reality distortion is impressive. Even more impressive is the mental gymnastics employed to "explain" an issue, and worse.... the stunning revisionism, complete reversals of opinion (followed by absolute denial it was said in the first place) and historical recasting/denial.
At first I was convinced it was satire. Some form of highly advanced sarcasm that I didn't "get".... but no, its real. These are real people making real responses.
Sino: News, Information, Discussion on all things China and Chinese Related -- This one really takes the cake. Its so blatant that I really did this it was like "The Onion". Its not. They are serious.
Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) -- The "Official" CV sub. They are super-hypersensitive to comments/content seen as (in ANY way) anti-China. Its blatant.
r/中国 -- Not so bad, but the trolls (called, interestingly, Wu Mao) infect here too.
Its amazing how bad the propaganda is. All governments employ it and some people even eat it up, but I'm really amazed at the intensity of Chinese patriotism. The hypers of the USA are bad, but the WuMao are... extraordinary. They utterly believe it.
We need to be vigilant of what is considered to be The Truth. Our own governments are hard into spin control and message manipulation. Thankfully, we are also completely aware of their incompetence! :)
We are lucky to have a free press. In Australia, as much as it might grate some thread participants, we are even luckier to have the ABC. I would not like to be only at the mercy of Murdoch, 7, 9 for news, but they do have some very good journos.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodPixel
Watched this week's Four Corners last night on the unfolding of the crisis. Somewhat sobering.
This site shows some interesting data!
NextStrain.org
e.g.
Attachment 470770
Genomic epidemiology of novel coronavirus
Attachment 470773
edit - visually it obvious the USA is about to be whacked by several mutations, all simultaneously.
VERY interesting stuff!!!!!
UTas has gone largely online from start of semester. All lectures have been videoed for years, so technology in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
Tutorials also online via skype, or similar.
Lab and practical classes "where essential" still continuing with smaller groups, enhanced hygeine and social distancing "wherever practical".
Online learning extends to a few thousand continuing students still in China - went home for Christmas holidays and became trapped.
I wonder if their parents still think they are getting their money's worth?Quote:
Originally Posted by GraemeCook
We continue to be bombarded by these big numbers. In the news this morning I learned that 240,000 are probably going to die of Coronavirus in the US alone (though that number was reported by the ABC so you'd have to take it with a grain of salt). That sounds pretty scary till you do a little digging and find that about twice that many will die from smoking related illnesses in the same period. In fact 240,000 is less than the number of men alone that will die from smoking related diseases. When you factor in the old age and likelihood of other existing conditions in the victims of CV then the number looks a lot less threatening...
Its present market capitalisation is around $600 mill and the government injects $1,400 million .... Government would then own around 70% of equity. That is very close to nationalisation of the business.Quote:
Originally Posted by ian
But the vast majority of existing shares are owned by airline companies that, in turn, are owned by their governments. Virgin Airlines is already effectively government owned. Can you nationalise a government owned entity?
Why should the Australian taxpayer subsidise the investments of the governments in Abu Dhabi, Singapore and China?
Id normally disagree with you... but....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
I had a bit of a tongue-in-cheek maths session with SWMBO last night. 7.5 billion people, all living to 100 years old, still means 205k die each day.
One of my "favourite" statistics is that 30k children die each day of starvation... yet we dont do anything about that.
So one has to wonder, how many people are SHOT DEAD in the USA each day compared to CV.
The huge initial number, 7.5B, sure makes all the other numbers look very big too.
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Originally Posted by GraemeCook
It would be cheaper to pay every employee $50k to go home for a year, pay the $600M to own everything.... wait a year and presto, fire it back up... 100% ours.
Much cheaper.
Bugger the foreign owners. If they want their asset to survive, they bail it in. But, they dont.
Priviatise the profits, socialise the losses.
Paul, I believe that the AUS Government has already "taken over" the private hospital system -- increasing the ICU bed supply by around 50%Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmiller
posted in the thread about elective surgery being cancelledI suppose this would count as innovationQuote:
Originally Posted by ian
EvanQuote:
Originally Posted by woodPixel
In some ways I see a parallel with climate change in the way numbers are tossed around. The point that appears to be missed is not that the numbers are similar but that they are in addition to. We have not exclusively substituted the usual number of deaths for death by CV-19. We have multiplied them and more worrying is that unchecked they will accelerate exponentially.
Whilst we talk of world wide deaths we are all here on the Forum very much planted in the developed world. It is the developed world that is afraid, challenged and panicked into buying up toilet rolls. The emerging world has little in the way of toilet rolls, sanitary napkins etc and is primarily focused on existing from day to day.
It is the fear of what could happen more than what is happening.
Just on the subject of statistics I don't fully understand how isolation is already having an effect on figures. Surely that cannot happen for about two weeks as the gestation period (if that is the correct term) of the virus is up to two weeks it is thought. Again, I should mention that details are still uncertain. Almost nothing is proven.
One further troubling issue is the potential for the virus to mutate. It did that to permit the jump from animals to humans and I think it may already have had a few more mutations: I will need the more knowledgeable among you to either bck that up or dispute it.
One development for me is that I can see I will now have to reluctantly embrace paywave to minimise hard surface contact. Until this point I have inserted my credit/debit card in the true Luddite tradition: That is if a true Luddite can have a credit card. :(
Regards
Paul
PS: A few years ago on a quiet March dogwatch we looked up shooting deaths in the US: Yeah, just for something to do. That year (say three, maybe four years ago) there had been nearly 2500 in the first quarter. But they are not concerned. Rationing of ammo continues!
Thank you! Two pearls of wisdom in the one post!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmiller
You keep saying things like this as though that's actually relevant. What is relevant is that the number of deaths from COVID-19 is going to overwhelm whatever resources the medicos have. This is NEW and UNPLANNED; you could argue that all the other deaths are known (I'd never say "planned") but the expected mortality rate in a population body is reasonably static. But this is a spike of proportions unseen. That's all that is important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
My point is that it makes no sense bringing the whole world economy to its knees, creating an economic desert that might take decades to recover from and ruining the futures of countless numbers of young people because you are frightened by some numbers which in comparison to the total number of deaths are an insignificant fraction. We are still talking numbers well below the effects of the 'normal' flu. No one is saying it's good that people die but trying to hide that fact helps no one.Quote:
Originally Posted by poundy
In the words of a previous poster "It is the fear of what could happen more than what is happening."
yes exactly, because the actions that are being taken are having a positive effect on controlling the rampant spread.
You can make that claim and I won't argue with you, the important fact is it's "having a positive effect on controlling the rampant spread"Quote:
Originally Posted by poundy