Geez,
I had the same whinge a few months ago, but the consensus then was that I should get a life, get over it and not expect any thanks or acknowledgement!:no:
Cheers
Graeme
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Geez,
I had the same whinge a few months ago, but the consensus then was that I should get a life, get over it and not expect any thanks or acknowledgement!:no:
Cheers
Graeme
I've had some of my attempts to be helpful ignored, I just put it down to me being on their 'ignore list'. :D
Though I don't know why I'm, I mean, it is not as if I may have posted something that some people would have thought was less that deserving of at least a cursory glance, but then again, maybe not.....
As a general rule, I don't respond to some questions involving my area of 'expertise', when an answer has already appeared, and I agree with it. That only clutters the thread and repeats what has been said. As far as searching the board for topics, I still am not sure how to do it, didn't even know you could for a long time. I am not all that computer literate. Still haven't worked out how to make a quote from another post. Still don't know how to why to send a 'greenie'. I will survive. Just don't want to be told, Why don't you do a search". Would rather have a place to look for myself.
I have posted a thread that was asked for and the questioner did not even respond.
I prefer to move on.
Jim (to many 'I's in this post :-)
I have been a member of these forums for over three years but as I have minimal woodworking expertise I have certainly never been in the position of offering woodworking advice to anyone. I do however sympathise with those who have offered solicited advice but have not been accorded appropriate gratitude by the asker. I wish to assure those givers of advice and opinion however that their efforts are much appreciated by persons such as me who have spent much time reading and pondering their utterances (lurking). As is often pointed out almost every question askable has already been asked and when one uses the appropriate search engine relevant information can readily be found. Perhaps every time I found something informative on this forum I should have thanked the responsible poster in which case I would have to have posted on nearly every occasion I visited.
I do however now take this opportunity to thank Neil and the many knowledgeable persons who have made (and make) this forum a rewarding source of information for geriatric know nothings like me who, in their declining years, are possessed of the curious urge to mutilate inoffensive pieces of wood.
Cheers, Jeff
As someone with more enthusiasm than experience, I'm not in a position to offer woodworking advice.
Most of my posts have been asking questions rather than answering them.
The responses I've received on what, to most people here, would be basic woodworking stuff, have always been helpful and have always answered my questions.
The advice I received, even if not followed, has always been good.
If anyone who has responded to my cries for help, and has not been thanked - here's a big thank you to you all.
:2tsup::2tsup:
It was 3-4 years ago. Some American dude posted his only thread on the forum. He wanted to know when to buy tools in Sydney. I PMed him the number and address of a few places but never heard from him since.
Some people are too good for us I think.
Sorry Wongo! :- Meant to get back to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wongo
Signed: American Dude. :D
So that was you. I knew it. :D
Maybe I should do the same to you. :D
a good example would be the latest thread in the art section,
( not sure how to post link)
I certainly hope that the questioner is appreciative of all the helpful advice.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wongo
Geeze yer a snob Bob, you came to Sydney & you didn't call in & see me while you were over here. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Honorary Bloke
My intention with this thread was to give a hint to newbies that a little bit of thanks goes a long way.
Most or all of those who have responded here are big enough to shrug off the occasional ignorant person who choses not to acknowledge those are are trying to help them.
Thanks for that Rob. :2tsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wood Borer
If it is the one I'm thinking of, it isn't there any longer. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by underfoot
BTW rob, some newbies post a thread with the intention of spamming and they are not interested in getting advice but have other motives.
This I have learnt since moderating.
That is terrible for two reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by jow104
Firstly they have evil greedy intentions
Secondly they make others wary of genuine newbies.
Like I indicated earlier, I prefer to answer newbies even if the price is to be disappointed occasionally by the ignorant and those with ill intentions.
Thanks for giving your time and for protecting us John.:2tsup:
Fun aint it? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by jow104
Gotta agree with the original post - even though I've only been a member for less than a year. I mostly track my questions to say thanks to the responders.
But it's more than just your own questions. I find it very helpful to read someones responses to my responses (if you know what I mean). Example: someone recently asked a question about using screws on tp decking. Having gone through the same thing a few months ago I pooled all my research into a response (basically told them to use 65mm screws, etc, etc). Well there was a response from someone who knew much more than me saying 50mm was plenty. I did another check to find the original post that had told me to use 65mm and bugger me, I couldn't find it. So, I learned something by responding and checking the other responses (and I have a very well locked down floor:B).
BTW, I'm still learning the ins and outs of searching, new posts, etc.
Cheers,
Adam
I have had a number of questions answered and don't think I have missed anyone in my appreciation - if I have "sorry about that".
As to Stirlo's suggestion - great idea - not that you go looking for kudos but it is nice to know that it has been read and understood and that you have helped someone out of a bind or made a job easier for them.
It has been said before - manners and attitude - and I would have to agree with previous posters that unfortunately many people have not had suitable role models to show them what manners are.
Look on it as Attitude = Altitude
Good attitude = great altitude to which you will rise - for yourself and in the eyes of others even if you may be misguided or just plain wrong. The converse also holds very true.
Regards,
Bob
Some questions asked on these forums get so many varying and even conflicting answers that it can be very hard at times to decipher practical answers.
If someone asks a question that I answer I don't mind if they don't acknowledge me.
While I prefer to offer thanks when I ask a question I usually wait for several answers before I do anything. At Odd times I may have inadvertently lost track of the thread and in so doing don't say thanks.
Very easy to do, especially if you miss "Mass" a few days in a row. I've probably done it myself. I suppose we should give the benefit of the doubt, at least for regular congregants. And even those with only a few posts, who don't offer thanks for the answer, could be thanked for just asking the question as the real beneficiaries are everybody else, both members and visitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by echnidna
Take the high road.
Joe
Hmmm... all this support and WB hasn't said thank you once:rolleyes::D. I do agree with the sentiments of those who have posted in this thread. It took me a long time to ask a question and the support I got helped me immensely (I said thank you too:cool:). There is the other side of the coin too where someone has answered a question and you thank them for their advice as it answered your question... then you get another good response so you thank them... then you get another response... :-. I try to thank everyone but sometimes its easier to let a thread die:rolleyes:. There is way too much support on these forums.
Corbs
Just a small input from me.
The idea of auto notification is a really good one however it has 1 major draw back which is the bane of my life and a real pain in the but.
When an email notification is sent and not delivered it is bounced back to my inbox. I often get as many a 50 or more of these bounced emails per day.
Some are because email addresses have been changed and not updated. Some people change email addresses as often as they change their underware.
Some are because paranoia has people screwing up their security so high that almost no emails get through.
And others have servers that won't let any automated responses through. Email notification is an automated response.
Have tried everything to fix this ongoing problem but it's pretty much impossible, 37 returned email so far for today till 10am and each has to be dealt with.
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I have to agree that it is very frustrating not to receive a thanks or any acknowledgement at all for help, but even more so to have the advice given by others completely ignored or challenged by the question asker, which has happened on a number of occasions, then having that same person coming on a few times asking for advice on the same subject and continuing to ignore all advice given by others.
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Cheers - Neil :)
Maybe set up a folder and a filter Neil so that the emails are redirected into that specific folder out of the road rather than jumbled with more legitimate emails?
If its in C-Panel then may use another email address for that particular task and run it straight into your email client into a new folder (bounce)?:)
The internet is a funny thing. Its easy to assume. As for boats especially wooden ones are very specialist topic. Its not a bad concept if people don't comment rather than speculate thats if they have even checked the copper nail area of the forum.Quote:
I'm new and my experience is that I've started a thread and had one response but it has gone no further. Without a response it is like talking to no one so the impetus is halted.
However, I have been checking regularly for responses. If I continue to contribute to this particular thread for the next month or so and still no response then I will close it off as it is plain no one is interested.
Its easy to feel a bit gyped about internet culture with an assumption that people cant be bothered especially when you start out.
Put it down to people don't know. They're not being rude, more likely polite.
hi all. this is a great thread and think it should be a sticky by way of an introduction to who you guys are.
i only really found this site the other day and already i have got a lot from it merely by following the recent posts.
advice here looks great. had a look at a post about how steep to landscape a bank. what a lot of stuff there that i didnt know! now i do :-) or at least where to look.
in respect to that level of advice, i will tend to keep my mouth shut unless i really need to know something and i cant find it by searching, or i actually know what i type. luckily i do know some stuff so i hope i will be of some use. i am here somewhere though...
when i ask a queston, it will have thanks included in the original question, and they will be sincere. even if only one person read a post and still they dont reply, then the thanks is for them. sometimes threads can generate very useful discussions that can give you many points of view to consider. but also, sometimes the offerings of some people is not worthy of thanks.
anyway, hello, my name is mike, and it is really nice to see people that are nice. a couple of jokers as well - awesome
ps how do you subscribe to a thread?
Hi Mike and welcome to the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeCollett
Top right of the thread you'll see a "Thread Tools" menu. Drop that down and hit "Subscribe to this Thread" link. You can then select how often you want to be notified.
damn im blind. thank half a bottle of rum for that. and thanks to you affro boy for that info
Welcome to the forum Mike,
I certainly wouldn't expect a thanks for each reply but some people only have one post which consists of a question that was well answered by many clever people with no trace of the original poster.
It won't put me off answering new forum members but I am afraid it could put others off answering genuine enquiries because of a few self centred few newbies.
Perhaps Neil could prevent those who couldn't give a stuff and/or those who are just plain ignorant from logging in or posting until they have fixed up their EMAIL addresses. I think they need this BB far more than Neil needs the bouncing back EMAILs.
Frankly my dear I don't give a damm , I try to answer any question that I think may help , sometimes you post an answer and another more knowledgable forum member gives a far better more accurate answer or in a much easier format to understand.
I thought the whole Idea of the forum was to help others whenever you could and in turn if you ask a question be given advise from other forum members more skilled or who had come across the problem previously and were willing to tell how they overcame it , the information may not always be accurate ( regardless of what the poster may think ) or be suitable for every circumstance but is freely given
Sometimes I have recieved Greenies or PM's from people I have helped rather then posting their thanks on the open forum or PM's asking for more detail , and sometimes a diffrent sort of PM from al those who thought otherwise, but what ever, If I think I can help I will try to do so and I think that is one of the corner stones that has made this forum the best , If you want ticks and pats on the back then there are other forums that do that but are usually so strict that most of us would be banned if we posted the usual stuff within the first week
For me if a newbee posts a qustion on their first post , gets the propper answer and never posts again then that loss is more than made up by those that post the question get the answer and become regular members and add their knowledge to the collective pool :2tsup:
I'm certainly not expecting a greenie or nominations for the woodworker of the year - not even a personal thanks. Anyone who gives answers for their own personal glory, I think is participating for the wrong reasons.
Quite often it is the collective responses that give detailed but broad solutions rather than the individual responses - similar to the information you may seek from books on a subject.
A simple "thanks for all the suggestions, they were useful" would suffice. But to never hear from that person ever again on the Bulletin Board is a bit rich.
It's a little bit like asking someone for directions. They take the time to give an answer but the person then walks away without saying anything in reply.
The internet is different, sure, but a lot of folks expect
a response to either acknowledge the help or some sort of reply that indicates the question has been adequately answered, effectively closing the thread. Without it the thread still seems open, and replies continue to be given.
I've just had an example of a person who asked my advice by email. I sent what I could by return email and received no acknowledgment that the info had arrived. I sent a PM to confirm receipt and received no response to that either. I try to help when I can, but this has made me think twice about helping other forumites in future. Civil courtesy surely isn't dead.:((
LGS,
I understand how you feel - extremely angry, disappointed and upset.:((:((:((
To let these ignorant self centred people influence your response to others especially newbies means that you have joined the ranks of the moronic and abandoned your personal philosophy - not good.
Punish the self centred individual who is unnecessarily taking up space on this planet by ignoring their future pleas for assistance.
I don't think you should pre-judge and consequently punish those who are most likely generous and reasonable people just because of the minority of idiots.
Some might say I am talking like a pathetic soft wimp.:o
No, I strongly detest and go out of my way to make the life of selfish people a misery.
I am the type of person who would goad a padeophile into jumping off a tall building just so I had something to pi$$ on.
A stranger in need of help - never a problem.
Email ISN'T always fast. Not everyone religiously checks it on a regular basis. There are also other reasons that a response may not have been sent including time constraints.
PM's are even slower in many instances as many don't receive email notification of a PM being sent and will only find it when logging on here and even then if they have popups blocked, a newbie may have trouble finding it or even realising they have one.
As said before in this thread many emails especially form here don't always get through because of firewalls, filters etc. I'm currently averaging around 35-40 returned or refused delivery notices per day.
send me the persons or username and I'll check if it was returned.
EMAILS AREN'T INSTANT.... For me they're often a pain in the bum. I'd happily pay the cost of a phone call rather then respond to emails that are often very, very, time consuming and almost never contain all the information needed, resulting in more time consuming replies. I'm sure I'm not the only one, who feels like this, especially if you're a busy person or in business.
Cheers - Neil :)
That's why an earlier system of PM's was great as you could see when the recipient opened/read the PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ubeaut
Peter.
Yeap, you have to be a bit patient with computers & the Internet.
They may have internet problems, we often lost it for 6 days at a time up here.
They may have computer problems, it took me more than a month to get one mother board replaced under warranty.
They may also have been hit by a truck & are currently lying in hospital looking at the ceiling.
Have you seen the alleged offender log on here since?
Hi Cliff,
Yep. Twice.
But lets just let it go, shall we?
Arh, right then.... I guess that you are on their ignore list. :D
I know I am on a couple 'cos I have posted a couple of replies to a few threads & the original poster has acknowledged other replies & not mine. :p :p :p
Nar, I bet they don't know how to use PMs.
Wood Borer,
I agree, a couple of years ago I posted a link in the Incra Jigs forum that pointed to a file of a Incra Template maker. Apparently the link failed and so I offered to send the zip file (179Kb) to anyone that wanted it. I received several responses and sent the file as promised and only received one email thanking me. Makes you wonder about some people.
If I receive information or files or whatever from someone who has helped me, I (now) acknowledge their efforts with a greenie. Doesn't take much but it at least lets the recipient know I appreciate their efforts.
Yup, that is people for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by clubbyr8
People & E-mail are weird 'cos their mother didn't teach them e-mail etiquette.
(Some are just ignorant 'cos their mum didn't even teach them manners)
I sent out a bulk E-mail a while back to let everybody know that I have changed my E-mail address.
I had to tell one person 3 times & now they don't send me anything & yet another person is still sending (forwarding) heaps of crap e-mail, to the old address. :cool:
On another occasion I received a bulk virus warning with all the other recipient's e-mail addresses still attached. :rolleyes:
The warning said to go & find a particular file & delete it. :oo:
I did a 'reply all' & explained that it was a hoax & it would just damage your computer if you followed the instructions.
One of the recipients then gave me a roasting 'cos they thought that they were smart enough to work that out for themselves & that my e-mail had insulted their intelligence. :~
so email them a genuine insult :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers