Federal Gov' Censorship

Two separate issues here, Waldos problem is software related, not censorship by Govt. We can say that with certainty because the Government has not had time to do anything yet.

On the Govt censorship issue, it depends how they 'censor' items and what they mean. If they somehow stop kids from inadvertently getting on their PCs - great! If they stop spam - great! If they blank ads and pop-ups from unrelated sites - great!

However, if they stop access from people who are deliberately trying to access that sort of stuff then not so great, and I really don't think they could achieve it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Groggy

On the Govt censorship issue, it depends how they 'censor' items

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This was my point. these guys are going to be trying to nail jelly if they think they can keep a list of all the site and all the violent websites. Hell are they going to ban youtube because people have posted video of them bashing other people?

sounds to me like a very badly thought out policy that was written by a non technical person....

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Originally Posted by Groggy

However, if they stop access from people who are deliberately trying to access that sort of stuff then not so great, and I really don't think they could achieve it anyway.

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Spot on Groggy,

The media always mix up Pornography and Child Pornography. True child pornography is something that is not normally stumbled across and is very much a hidden/dark/secret world that is very difficult to break into. The sickos cover thier tracks well.

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Originally Posted by astrid

Nah,
you were right groggy,
put it back:U

Astrid

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It wasn't moved by me, though I can see why it was, there are more than 20 off topic posts making this look like a drivel candidate - I believe that was why it was moved. I have left the posts there so you can see for yourselves.

Please stay on topic.

is the govt going to block the never-ending flow of advertising emails selling ways for getting a bigger willy or viagra and all that associated muck?

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Originally Posted by echnidna

is the govt going to block the never-ending flow of advertising emails selling ways for getting a bigger willy or viagra and all that associated muck?

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They are not sure yet what they can do. Here are some comments from home, some comparisons from abroad, and this is what China is up to.

Whatever it is they decide to do they will be attacked by someone.

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Originally Posted by echnidna

is the govt going to block the never-ending flow of advertising emails selling ways for getting a bigger willy or viagra and all that associated muck?

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no, they cant, and that is the problem, show me a system that can filter all of them out. It doesn't exist yet, and as soon as it does the scum will find a way around it:~. Large corporates spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to filter this stuff from their own email systems and it still gets through, what hope has the govt of stopping it getting through everyones systems.

Hi Groggy
I know it wasnt you that moved it, I was using "you" in the plural sense.

cheers
Astrid

You would think that the goverment could enlist some of the HACKERS who could / would be able to cause some of the more undesireble sites to self destruct. If only they could stop all the spam that unfortunately come to you via the internet. Ultimately you are the CENSOR of all you peruse. Dont expect goverments to sort it out for you, as it will never happen.

I have been on the net for about eight years now and it never ceases to amaze me the crap that still exists and turns up in you emails etc. There is an article / opinion in Todays Telegraph (NSW) on page 21 regarding the proposed censorship. This does not shed much light on the problem for any net user.

Regards Mike.

Re the unwanted spam
I've never had them, i think thats because i never open anything leading with 'HI'.and I'm very carfull with what I download.
HWMNBO says its because he's installed a firewall using an old computer as a filter(or some such technical stuff)
However i notice that he gets his fair share:roll:

Astrid:)

I am afraid that this decision is a typical reaction of a new government - especially one with what the French call "dirigiste" tendancies.

Say it quickly enough and the idea of stopping the web being cluttered with crap that only sick people would want to look at, and which any parent would prefer not to be available to their children, sounds like a good one. But think about how it is to be done and it is clearly silly - something that even Helen Coonan was able to work out.

One of the major tricks in governing is to realise that there are limits to what you can actually achieve and that legislating to make everyone support Mum's apple pie is just one of the most futile things that you can try to do. I actually think that the current system of leaving the web free from interference and concentrating on using it to catch the strange people who create and distribute this nauseating garbage and dealing with them as criminals is better than trying to put a prophylactic barrier around the sites that these people set up. It focuses attention on the problem - bad people - rather than the product, and leaves the rest of the community to enjoy a free life on the web.

Not FRENCH dirigiste tendencies:oo::oo:
Watch it or this'll be back in the blue room!

Astrid:)

G'day,

I wholeheartedly agree with what Jmk89 said :aro-u:. Kev07 is great at wide sweeping things he's going to do with little thought of how he'll do them. :no:

Groggy is right too with saying that I've mixed up the new Gov' censorship and that Azureus is playing funny buggers with me.

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Originally Posted by jmk89

One of the major tricks in governing is to realise that there are limits to what you can actually achieve and that legislating to make everyone support Mum's apple pie is just one of the most futile things that you can try to do.

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Quite agree but I cant see them waking up, the nanny state will try and look after us, probably so they can scare us into voting for them. Their is a history of prohibition, drugs, alcohol, homosexuality, heck.... sexuality full stop. Still to come, low doc loans, take away foods and free speech. I reckon they wont do it as there is belt tightening coming this year.

In The Beginning was The Censorship Plan.

And then came the Assumptions And the Assumptions were without form.

And the Plan was completely without substance and the darkness wasupon the face of the workers and they spoke among themselves,saying...
"It is a crock of ????, and it stinketh."

And the workers went unto their Supervisors and sayeth, "It is a pile of dung and none may abide the odor thereof."

And the Supervisors went unto their Managers and sayeth unto them, "It is a container of excrement and it is very strong, such that none may abide by it."

And the Managers went unto their Directors and sayeth, "It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide its strength."

And the Directors spoke amongst themselves, saying one to another, "It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong."

And the Directors went unto the Vice Presidents and sayeth unto them, "It promotes growth and is very powerful."

And the Vice Presidents went unto the President and sayeth unto him, "This new Plan will actively promote the growth and efficiency of this Company, and in these areas in particular."

And the President looked upon the Plan, and saw that it was good, and the Plan became Policy.

This Is How ???? Happens.

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Originally Posted by Sebastiaan56

Still to come, low doc loans

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They will disappear on their own right, when they start coming back and biting the lenders where the sun don't shine (Or the tax office starts requesting the details given in the load applications:U)