Just FYI parents that smoke do increase the risk of their kids becoming asthmatic, also increases the risk of SIDS etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by ubeaut
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Just FYI parents that smoke do increase the risk of their kids becoming asthmatic, also increases the risk of SIDS etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by ubeaut
I'd be interested in seeing the research behind this. I'm sceptical about many of the claims put forward by the anti-smoking lobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDub
This particular one needs to be seen in the context of the fact that most of my generation (I'm a baby boomer) had at least one parent who smoked cigarettes indoors for many years. Yet there seems to be a much higher incidence of asthma amongst today's children than we saw when we were kids. I don't remember any of my schoolmates who had asthma.
Incidentally, I gave up smoking a while ago so I'm not arguing in favour of the habit, merely questioning what seems to be a very broad generalisation.
I'd be happy to be proved wrong but let's see some hard evidence.
Found these in 2 minutes using a very quick google search, Im sure if you search the medical journals etc you will find more in depth info and studies..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Driver
SIDs and Smoking
http://sids-network.org/experts/smok.htm
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Maternal smoking has long been linked with increased SIDS risk. The increased risk correlated with how much the mother smokes. Several studies have demonstrated that passive tobacco smoke also significantly increases the risk for SIDS. The risk for SIDS is increased, in normal birth weight infants, about two-fold with passive smoke exposure and about three-fold when the mother smokes both during the pregnancy and the baby continues to be exposed to tobacco smoke after he/she is born.
Kahn and colleagues have shown that infants born to mothers who smoked during pregnancy had lower birth weight, and significantly more episodes of obstructive apnea and excessive sweating (the infants were tested at about three months of life and compared to infants of nonsmoking mothers).
Recent epidemiological studies from New Zealand, Tasmania, and England have reported the prospective results of supine (back) sleep position and significant reduction of SIDS risk. The greatest reduction of risk, however, was found when the infant was placed supine (back) during sleep, was breast fed, and was not exposed to maternal smoking during pregnancy or to passive tobacco smoke following birth.
Recent studies have provided more details on the epidemiology and on possible physiologic mechanisms underlying the association between smoking and SIDS. Kinney et al. have documented significant changes in nicotine-binding sites in the brainstem areas involved with arousal, heart and breathing functions, sleep, and body movement control, during the last half of pregnancy. Thus, mid to late pregnancy may be a particularly vulnerable period for the fetus exposed to the nicotine in maternal tobacco smoke. We do not know exactly how smoking affects the infant during the pregnancy, however, we have several leads which suggest that the effect may influence development of the nervous system.
Asthma in kids and smoking:
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/b...d_smoking?open
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...g+studies&meta=
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Cigarette smoke can trigger worsening asthma symptoms or an asthma attack in some people. Children are particularly sensitive to tobacco smoke as their lungs are smaller and more delicate and are still developing. Passive smoking is breathing in other people’s cigarette smoke. Children who live with smokers have higher rates of asthma than children living with non-smokers.
My father smoked until I was about 6 years old. All of my uncles smoked and yet neither my sisters, myself, nor any of my cousins suffer from asthma. The first instance of asthma in my family that anyone is aware of is my daughter who was diagnosed with it at the age of 3, although there are no signs of it at present and she's not taking any medication for it. My wife and I had both given up smoking before she fell pregnant and very few of our friends smoked and never in the house.
I'm not denying that smoking could be related, but people are much more aware of passive smoking around kids and 'maternal smoking' now than in my parents generation, yet asthma seems to be on the rise, so something else is going on.
I agree that it's wise to not smoke around kids and to not smoke period is an even better idea. I know of someone who smoked right through her pregnancy and her daughter was born with heart problems that required surgery. There may be no connection but is it worth the risk?
JDub
Thanks for those links. The SIDS/smoking issue seems to be backed up by some hard research. Furthermore, most of that quote from your post is related to smoking in pregnancy which, by any standard, is clearly a very bad idea.
The childhood asthma / smoking link seems more tenuous and not so obviously supported by hard research.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the increasing incidence of asthma in children is a major concern. However, attributing it to passive smoking is not proven by any hard data and seems to be contradicted by the evidence that the present increase in childhood asthma has been accompanied by a decrease in the rate of smoking in the general population. Furthermore, if there is no real link between passive smoking and increasing childhood asthma than there exists a danger that in emphasising a non-existent link, we might delay finding out what is really causing the problem.
I risk sounding like a completly insensitive bitch but here i go anyway
all over the world mothers watch their kids die from bad water, lack of food , bullets in the head, raping bastards etc
we worry about allergies
if a child is allergic to anything they know, at least by the age of primary school , not to share food, they should know how to use an epipen.
these kids can be exposed to nuts on a theatre seat or a swing on the playground.
I have a friend who is a haemopheliac, as a child ,???? happened
I have a son with a bone condition, possiable amputation of leg if exposed to trauma of life.
do I blame scouts when leg fractures again , no
do I try to balence his problem with reality, yes
do I expect the rest of the community to have a complete understanding of risk, no
all I can do is take reasonable precautions and cross my fingers
we all love our kids
to expect the rest of the community to be 100% alert is asking them to be vigilant about problems that they have no understanding of.
these are our problems to bear and we live with it
it is our responsibility to educate our own kids.
astrid
PS schools keeping a supply of common use Epipens might help.
PPS my son has foregone peanut butter sandwitches in school and kinda
Sounds like a good idea but they cost $100 each and only have a shelf life of 12 months. I know as I carry one due to a rather severe allergy to bees. (If I get stung I sort of have trouble breathing:( )Quote:
Originally Posted by astrid
I'd be surprised if schools don't have them. The pre-school where SWMBO worked had them and staff had to be trained how to use them.
I know
a single patent at our school requested that her two highl alergic sons carry their pens in their bags
school response was that this was a danger to other kids and she had to provide two each, one for school nurse, one for classroom. which by the way is locked at lunch and recess.
so a single parent has to find 400 per year in case another child pricks themselves.( i understand that this usually results in a short period of hyperactivity)
this demonstrates the point I am trying to make, that fear of the few a s o l s that threaten to sue, makes the rest of our lives a misery.
Public institutions need to stand up to this or we will end up like england, where teachers and the general public are to afraid to go to the assistance of a child in distress for fear of being accused of child abuse.
the courts in fact, rarely get it wrong and these threats rarely get heard.
we have to be responsiable for ourselves
astrid
PS this is not to take away public responsibility to help those in economic need.
homeless, refugees, mentaly ill, abused men women and children, indiginous you get the idea
The epipens are on the PBS, so as a single mum she would get them for $5 each.:D
I agree with the too clean sentiment. My youngest (3.5yr old girl) hardly ever gets sick. And she doesn't seem to eat any meals, so I assume that she must live on bits of food she picks up off the floor and they give her little doses of germs and she builds antibodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleedin Thumb
My eldest boy has nose problems and the middle one is better, but the youngest is very robust.
I worked with a guy who had a severe nut allergy, I was his manager but I didnt know this fact. Another staff member was chopping hazelnuts 1 metre away from him and his face started swelling as we watched. He had his pen in his bag and we got him out of there really quick. Ended up taking three days to recover. He was ready for the reaction, we werent.
Some people are severely allergic,
Fairly recent thought in researchers into allergies IS that we are too clean. Seems that all those intestinal worms & bugs produced a wide range of anti-allergy chemicals in self defence, and the result was that humans didn't react to a lot of things.
As one example (from Science in the City, Australian Museum 2006) is the treatment of Chrone's Disease - an immune system malfunction that results in the immune system attacking the body - is the regular application of Pig Whip Worm eggs. The whip worms can't reproduce in the human gut, but can live for a month or so, and produce suitable anti-allergen chemicals that cause the immune system to quieten down.
Strange to say, all those 'Third World' countries who are too poor to have allergies also have a wide variety of intestinal parasites.
My best mate's an asthmatic, he swears that it's because of his smoker dad - lots of trips in the car with his old man smoking at the wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by ubeaut
Justin.
my son cant use bandaid but can use elastoplas and the war office cant use elastoplas but can use bandaids.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by arose62
Getting back to the asthma theme - I developed asthma about 3 years ago, fairly severe.
About 8 weeks ago I went on a diet that deleted any processed carbohydrates from my diet, no pasta, rice, bread, alcohol! etc. Not only did I lose 5 kg in two weeks but for some reason I could go for days without the Ventolin!!!
Unfortunately I have since fallen off the diet...damn my love of beer! (though still off processed carbs), put on some weight and have a chest infection, that I put down to 3 weeks of renovation and painting, still don't feel like I have asthma though.
This begs the question, Is the amount of process food that we consuming making us sick?
The answer for me is an emphatic yes, as I have proven it. Try giving up total carb intake for a two weeks (except those in salads and vegies, except spuds etc)and you realise how much our diet is composed of processed food.