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Tossing up ATM whether to put this thing up myself or get the pros to do it.
I am organising/doing the slab etc myself but am a little concerned about erecting the actual shed myself (have heard some horror stories and I dont wanna stuff it up). It has two large windows, access door, roller door, roof insulation.....
Quote given to me to put the thing up was $1200. Do you think this is reasonable? Has anyone out there put up a fairdinkum shed themselves?
Sounds like you are going to get a decent shed- eventually. One tip: if you can manage, do the slab first (of course) and let it sit for as long as you can before building over it. When I got the rest of my largish shed concreted a while back, it was WET for weeks - the evaporation of the water from the concrete condensed on the roof ( 3m) and dripped off every purlin under the roof. Took a long time for the slab to stop creating a micro climate. Of course you need to let the cure take place slowly, but under plastic is probably better than uner the roof of your new pride and joy!
Keep at it,
Jeff
Thanks Jeff,
I will post some pics of the site prep in the next day or so, just to prove I am actually getting somewhere (all be it, slowly):o
Well, it will make me feel better anyway.
Thanks for the tip Re: slab curing time.
Jdub
Just so you know what the pricks a actpla did for me. Diddly!!!!
They sent me a list of must do's and so I passed this on to the bloke who did my slab and drive. He took a look and said f@%k them if they are here every morning before 9 am they can have a look if not they can go to blazes.
I asked why 9 and he said that no-one should pour concrete after 9 cos it is too hot and the concrete goes off too quickly in the november heat. Most concreters I spoke to agreed and so I took it to be true. If the concrete cures too quickly it compromises the structural integrity altogether.
We poured over five days and never after 9. The inspectors only turned up one day and that was on the last pour ( not even the shed) and spent two minutes looking at the prep and then jumped in his ute and drove off. My shed slab is 200 mm thick with rio mesh throughout, the driveway is 150 mm thick with the same gauge rio in as well. I wanted extra strength just incase we ever wanted a truck to be able to drive on the concrete.
Better safe than sorry.
The shed was erected by myself and three neighbours. One weekend and a bbq with three slabs of beer later it was all done. Electrics were run to the shed underground by a sparky and then I did the rest of the wiring myself under the supervision of my FIL. He signed of on it and I took the paperwork to ACTEW in Tuggeranong and they stamped it. Voila all done.
My shed size is 13m x 6m x 2.7m (eaves) and 3m at the ridge. Two three metre roller doors one front one back, a PA door and two 1200 sliding aluminium windows. Two circuits to the shed one for lights and the other a 15 amp for power. Double power points x 8, Double Flouros x 3. It was meant to hold our cars but in the end there just was not enough room. BUT my Triumph 1200 did make it in JUST...
Pete
How long ago was this? Has to be done by a private certifier now I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doughboy
An inspection pre pour and one on completion of the whole shed.
My BIL is doing the concrete for me, 1 pour, will just make sure we start early.:cool:Quote:
I asked why 9 and he said that no-one should pour concrete after 9 cos it is too hot and the concrete goes off too quickly in the november heat. Most concreters I spoke to agreed and so I took it to be true.
Hard to do? Any problems with windows etc? What make of shed is it?Quote:
The shed was erected by myself and three neighbours. One weekend and a bbq with three slabs of beer later it was all done.
I wasnt aware I needed to get the electrics signed off by ACTEW?:confused:Quote:
Electrics were run to the shed underground by a sparky and then I did the rest of the wiring myself under the supervision of my FIL. He signed of on it and I took the paperwork to ACTEW in Tuggeranong and they stamped it. Voila all done.
Sounds like a sweet shed Pete, If only I had that much room ;)
Yep even here the electrician has to sign off on the work done... weve already had several discussions about the electrics in my shed... one future S-I-L reckons just hard wire it ourselves easy enough to get the wire and circuits and all the gear... other future S-I-L is a lighting tech and leccy and hes sayin dont be so bloody stupid you cant do it yourself only a qualified leccy can... man those two are as contrary as is possible :rolleyes: ;)
me Im scared shyteless of lectrics bein colorblind and with a healthy respect for the deadly power of a faulty setup I will be going the way of the second F-S-I-L in fact hes going to do it!! all right an propa! :cool: well hes doin the wiring my son is doin the digging of the trench to the house! ;) thats what havin so many kids does for you!! :cool:
Present thinking is to leave it as it is for now and wire it all up when the new house is about to happen (and after the next shed has been bought thats the shed her bloody highness is as yet unaware of and is secretly going to be bought by the one with the credit card who buys these things... ala me! :) )
Then the sheds can be wired and as the house goes up next to it the tools and such can be accessed through the shed and its only a hop skip and a jump to wire the house! :cool:
Okay some progress pics...... site prep.
Had to remove an old garden shed and bust up the dodgy slab under it....
Then because I had to do a slight site cut (350 at the deepest point), I put in a small retaining wall, went with 200x75 TP as most of it is behind the shed out of site so I didnt need a feature wall.....
The hole in the fence was necessary to get the bobcat in from the front yard, leaving the section out now till the shed is up, access for concrete etc etc
Next step, install drainage, backfill wall and then the slab...:rolleyes:
Right,
Because Im killing time at work ;) Ive been thinking about the electrical set up I will need in my new shed.
Because I am relative newbie to the world of woodworking I really only have basic machinary ATM (mitre saw, various hand power tools etc).....
I am hoping to expand this in the future :cool:
That in mind, what electrical set up would you suggest for my 6 x 3.5 x 2.7 workshop?
15 amp outlet?
how many standard 10a outlets? Wall mounted? Hanging from roof?
Lighting? (was thinking 3 x double fluros down the length of the shed and maybe one above the main bench??)
Please remember I do have a budget!!! LOL
Any advice/suggestions welcomed!!!
Wow 4 doubles that sounds like a lot, my new garage https://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=39001 is 9m by 4.3m and I'm only putting in two double flouros am I under cooking it?Quote:
Originally Posted by JDub
HH.
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Originally Posted by HappyHammer
That is the question isnt it? Are you under cooking or am I burning it to a crisp? ;)
My 9 x 6 mt shed, when I finally get round to putting it back up had, 9 double fluros and I will put 9 back in again
Yep... Ive discussed this with FSL (leccy) and his boss who came to have a yarn about what we need to do yesty... hes sayin cause Ive got 9x6 shed and have 4mtr bench down one side wall x 8mts of benches down the long side for those alone I should have 3 doubles over the benches for the smaller bench work (and cause the 4mtr one and the opposing 4 mtr bench are both under the timber loft) I should also have at least 4 in the main area above the tools/workarea and also one over the lathe (again under the timber loft) weve decided on a minimum of 8 double fluros and will allow for 2 more if we find we need them... I agree with him that lighting is needed and the numbers sound about right on what I was thinking... maybe singles under the timber loft and a couple of downlight type things over the benchs? Im still considering that as an option
And were installing 6 sheets of perspecx sheeting on the roof along with windows to the front (I dont call the shed the "cave" for nothing!)... the powerpoints... well thats just bloody huge!! ;)
Double above the lathe... then a double just before the 4mtr bench for the spindle sander and compressor then 2 doubles on the 4mtr bench around to the other benches and Im thinking 4 doubles along that area (for the grinders and drill press) a dedicated single for the dusty next to that then one double on the far wall for extra one on the final wall for the same... I will be having a a double either side of the main support beam (only one in the first bay other bays stayed up without the need for a support :rolleyes: roof sagged long story :p ) these will serve the router table and bandsaw which reside next to the beam there will be a pair of outlets on chains hanging from the roof over the jointer/thicknesser/table saw.
Outside were going for 2 double motion sensored spots in each corner of the roof along with an separate outside light and an outside powerpoint at each doorway... I always like outside powerpoints cause yer never know when you need to run a lead out there... like up to the new house when it starts going up... better to run a short 20mtr lead from the shed than a 80 to 100 mtrs from the old house :rolleyes:
No 3phase... Id like it but then of course it would cost a heck of a lot more... AND Id have to replace all my tools :eek: ...mmmmm now why hadnt that crossed my mind while they were here! :D
And yes Im on a budget too!! ergo the FSIL doin it!! (under his bosses supervision of course as hes still an apprentice sparky) Ive also been told that if we can keep the new house to budget I can get a second shed!!! ;) aahh she do loves me! :p So believe you me that new house will come in UNDER bloody budget!! :cool:
aaahhh I can see it now... this 9mtr x 6mtr shed the 40ft seatainer behind it as a finishin room (wired of course! ;) ) a nice new 20mtr x 20mtr shed... and the new wee tiny 1 bedroom cottage out the back!! :D ah shyte I'll just get a ruddy great tent for this mob!! I can live in the shed :cool: ;)
Draft electricity plan..... thoughts? critisisms? Improvements?
I would possibly put a couple of 10 amp outlets near the workbench and perhaps make the hanger a 15 amp instead of a 10. But that is just being picky.
Looking forward to seeing it progress.
Pete
I believe that you are under doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyHammer
You need 5000 Kelvin lighting, ie akin to daylight (subject to correction by the more learned!) for the main bench and over/around any machine.
For a finishing bench, you need directed light to highlight any scratches or imperfections so angled incandescents are best there.
For a new shed, I'd go for at least 2 15A circuits and a 10A socket every 2 ~ 3 metres around the shed. Much cheaper to do when conducting the initial installation than later on, and no blerry extensions leads!
Stuff it Dingo! Just put some hammocks under the benches, and a shower & w/c outside :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wild Dingo
Your eyes failing in your old age Pete? :D :p In the pic there are two 10a outlets, one on either side of the workbench..... unless you mean the other side/shelving unit/bench?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doughboy
Problem is, not having much machinery ATM (nothing that requires 15a anyway) I dont really know what I need yet, so you blokes gotta tell me :rolleyes:
I would consider running 2 rows of single fluros rather then 1 row of doubles, less likely to have shadows with 2 rows. And what Steve says about p/points (every 2~3mts). Maybe get the 15 amps put in when you need them, as you should then know where you will need them when you get the machinery requiring the 15 amps
I have submitted the plans to ACT planning and land authority (our local council for approval which comes with fee of course) but now ACTPLA dont do any of the building certifications themselves, you have to employ a private certifier to do that.... and they all change a min of about $500 :eek:
and they also require a builder or owner builder to put it up by the sounds of it.... what a heap of friggin crap....
This means if I want to put it up myself I have to get a owner builders sheet not to mention the $700 of fees I have to pay to the council and certifier.... Dont think I can afford to get it put up by the pros anymore :(
makes you wanna tell em to get stuffed and not get is approved at all.....:mad:
Oh and then theres the electrical safety sheet your sparkie has to fill in and submit to ACT electricity and water as well....
No wonder people dont bother, its only a small friggin garden shed!!!!!!!!!
ARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
For #@*s sake :rolleyes:
Joel<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
G'day JDub,
On your fluro setup (excluding the one above your workbench) set them up in banks of two across the depth of your shed so you end up having 6 in total which will give better light.
Oh, djstimber has already said the same, well I'll back up what he said.
Maybe also consider some laserlite sheeting to give some natural light.
Thanks for the tip re: lighting (again ;))Quote:
Originally Posted by Waldo
I didnt want to go with laserlight as where I live it would just cause heaps of condensation in winter and heat in summer.... I Have two large windows in the design so hopefully that will provide some good natural light :)
Had my electrician in the other day for some prelim advice on what I need and were to run cabling etc.
6mm cable from metre box to shed, up to a small sub board, Probably just have three circuits, 1 for a 15amp point (no 15amp equip ATM but I want one just in case I upgrade in the future), 1 for general powerpoints and 1 lighting circuit. I think this should do the job for my small workshop.
Dont think I will bother with the hanging point as I think the shed is too small to bother.... wall points are within reach.
Slab going down in a week..... things is happening... ;) :D
revised electricity plan, includes location of sub board and new elect cable entry point. (yep ok its friday at work and the crickets a bit slow ;))
I added another couple of points (is 6 x 10amp double outlets overkill in a shed this size?) mmmm maybe
Also I changed the orientation of the double fluros to run across the width of the shed rather than down the length, given the shed isnt real big (wide) this will hopefully give me good light coverage without having to get twice as many single lights ;)
Electrician seems to think I should have 3 circuits.
1 for lighting
1 for the 10 amp points
1 for the single 15 amp point
Thoughts?
Looks good to me, that light setup will work better.
Maybe consider one power point on the the short wall on the left of the PA door in the middle, you can never have enough power points.
Use 3 pin ceiling roses for light connections. This way you can use double adapters or even extension leads to move or add lights. I have doubled the lights in my garage over the years and all I had to do was use double adaptors. Best thing I ever did was listen to the electrician who advised me to use them. You can also put in extra roses in case you want to use them in the future and again it is then a simple matter toi just plug in a light is needed and they cost very little.
Finished the retaining wall, road base in (only pretty thin), footings dug (oversized), electrical conduit in, formwork up, mesh and plastic down, Slab finally down poured today (3 cubic metres). BIL has done a fantastic job with the slab, finish like glass :)
I have put a big canvas dropsheet and some old towels down over it and will wet them a couple of times a day for the next couple of days so it cures nice and hard :)
More pics different angel, and pic of my BIL working hard while I give him lip from the sidelines ;) :cool:
Looking good JDub
Last ones for a while I promise :) :p
She'll be up before you know it!
Updated cost so far (for wendy and anyone else interested)
$4080 : Shed, incl. windows, insulation etc etc
$40: Case of beer for my uncle to draw up site plans ;)
$140: Council fees for design and siting approval
$40: 1 metre of roadbase
$200: 2 sheets of f72 Mesh and Plastic for Slab
$630: 3 cubic metres of Concrete
$40: Case of beer for BIL to lay/finish the slab
$160: Lighting (4x twin 4ft Fluros)
Total so far: $5330
Also about $600+ for retaining wall around shed and site clean up but Im not going to count that as part of my budget as it needed to be done anyway ;)
Started putting that shed up yet JDub?
Nah, its on order :rolleyes: I missed the pre-christmas order date.Quote:
Originally Posted by djstimber
Hopefully will get it by early/mid January. :cool:
I walk out onto the concrete slab most afternoons after work and pretend Im in my workshop ;) Ive been planning the electrical etc in the meantime to keep me occupied :o
Ive been tracking your Shed thread with interest as well :)
Cheers
Joel
Thats a bugger. Hopefully they will get onto yours straight after the hols and you just might get yours up before mine :p :D
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Originally Posted by djstimber
Maybe ;) Wanna race?:p
It will give me time to paint/seal the slab before the shed goes up anyway.... Then once its up I can start doing the fun stuff and fitting it out :)
Update:
I acid etched the slab on the weekend as preperation for putting some paving paint down this coming weekend.
Hope to put the actual shed up on the Australia day long weekend....
Just a couple of pic of the painted slab..... :D
Wonder how long it will stay that clean :U :q
:2tsup: Now what is a more Aussie way to spend Australia day than putting up a shed........? :2tsup: :D
First two pics of the some of the bits and bobs waiting to be attacked...
And the last two pics are the progress at the end of day 1. 90% of the frame is up, just need to do the roller door header and jambs and then onto the sheeting.....
Only snag we have hit is there is two small brackets missing for the roller door header, will have to go out tomorrow morning and buy something suitable (will only need a couple of small L brackets so shouldnt be hard to find)
Both windows are in, All is plum and square :2tsup: Nice and bloody high too with the 2.7m walls...
Was a bit sore a couple of hours ago but seems to have improved with each well earned stubbie :q Was bloody hot today too, I reckon I have sunburnt palms from the hot steel.... not that Im complaining :rolleyes: :)
Should have her finished by the end of the long weekend :D
Joel