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Originally Posted by kiwigeo
yes this is the point, what they teach in the dojo's is to much based on muscle and brute strenth, no wonder people get tied of it and suffer pains latter in life,it's to rigid. the answer is in the soft free flowing form and internal developement...the ancient ones new this and trained into the 80's and 90's as it does'nt require muscle energy or strenth, just air...
la H
I can laugh about it now but there was blood pissing out of my neck and I thought I was dead, I figured that if I was on my way to the pearly gates I wanted some company and told the little swine this, 3 seconds, no, about 1/3 second.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwigeo
To top it all off the little bastard had me charged for assault but an interview with some of Victoria's (take note DanP) finest had him change his mind fairly quickly.
I was presented with a Valour Medal and he got 5 years:D :D :D :D
Another gong for the collection but I do get a bit cynical, not a footy player so I'm not a hero for saving a lot of lives for my efforts..............the little prick was armed as well.
Would I do it again, no idea, I have no idea how I would react in a similar situation if confronted again, and I get really off when people say 'if it was me I would have blah blah blah' Bullshyte, you have no idea how you will react until the pressure is on, unless it's in a Hollywood script.
Tae kwon do (Moo Duk Kwan) 15years 3rd Dan
China...cool !
Iain...you speak words that only a wise man would...
la H
The legs still work, balance has always been my downfall:DQuote:
Originally Posted by la Huerta
Yeh 30 rounds of full contact where they can hit you, but you must show restraint. I ended up with broken nose (in the 5th round:mad: ), 3 broken toes, 2 broken bones in my hand, shins and forearms a mass of bruises. Puts it in perspective why they call it the "blood grading". I was on such a high though, I didn't feel the real pain till hours afterwards. I have a photo taken 2 weeks later, and I still had the black eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by namtrak
These days, because of liability, they fight a punching bag for 30 rounds - not quite the same.
I met BJ many times, he hit on my wife one time when we went out:eek:
Cheers
speaking of wanting to kick ass, what's with this guy in the machinery threads asking for a business partner, only 4 posts, sounds a little suss, he re-threaded himself into the bandsaw section now and does'nt want to talk much...
Lets see - a few years of Judo (retired broken leg) plus a few months of Dai Dao (big choppy thing on a stick). A few years on & off 'Modern Medieval' sword & shield, polearm, 2 handed sword.
A couple of decades on & off archery: European, Japanese & Central Asian.
Many years with Rifle, some years with Pistols, Machine guns (LMG) & other automatic weapons. Indirect fire is a bit beyond me. I'm hopeless with a shotgun unless I use it like a musket - can't hit moving targets.
And I'm always much wiser half an hour AFTER any threat situation, by which time it is safely too late to do anything.:D
i admire your ability with guns, but i just hate them, infact all weapons give me chills, much prefere hand to hand combat, braking bones, internal damage etc...besides unless it's a war ,what the hell are you going to shoot at in real life anyway, and unless your a cop or live in Texas, your not likely to have a weapon handy when you need it...
Just remember that the knife & fork you eat with are weapons, as is the hammer you hit nails with. Some years ago I could get access to the raw data for crime statistics before it was 'massaged' for public consumption - more people were killed with with weapons like 'hammer/chisel' and 'foot' than all firearm related casualties listed on the system.
If you are an 'Aunty Jack' fan, you might remember how the 'Nowra Ninja' got his - a chop stick in each ear :eek:
My feet are deadly weapons, just that while I'm taking off my shoes and socks I get the crap kicked out of me Courtesy of the late Dave Allan
I did Goju Kai for a couple of years but never got very far with it. Yellow belt with 2 green stripes. I did learn to count to 10 in Japanese though, so it wasn't a complete loss!
Now listen carefully chaps:
Like Clinton, I am a grand master at the art of Hideind Ark and have had more than 50 years practice.
With the onset of age, and this may be in part due to the fact that as one gets older one's wardrobes have a somewhat less sulubrious content than they once enjoyed, I have noticed a distinct wheeze creeping into my hiding technique, which of course will eventually give the game away.
I am rather proud of the fact that I won my last fight by nearly 200 yards, and to this day am mystified (no offence) by the need of some of our number to learn "self defence" techniques.
On the rare occasion that I have inadvertantly placed myself in danger, I have relied entirely on the traditional Australian art of Pic Khandles Winging, and to my knowledge remain undefeated in that art.
Cheers,
P (Who would never take a knife to a gunfight)
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that sounds similar to the 'crouching under table hidden in the dark' technique...
bsrlee...your right about the common household items are weapons, i once hit my thum with the hummer, and stabed my self in the hand with a chisel, yep good weapons....
paper cuts can kill too...
Are Biting Midges related to Grasshoppers (or indeed glasshopper):confused: :rolleyes:
Or as a friend of mine used to say (wif criff wodga voice) what kung fu dat.......
I still prefer to dissuade the attacker, usually only a small amount is required, I find that 9mm is enough to have them saluting. Not Seig Heil, Sig Sauer:rolleyes:
Isn't that .38 or .357 in imperial:p
One of the things to love/hate about Imperial, as you know they're both the same calibre except the little one has far more bang behind it. Sort of like the difference between getting hit by an orange or a house brick. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Iain
9mm Black Talon is house brick material too. ;)
this gun talk is good and all but what if you are unarmed at the time...that's were 'steal hand" comes in handy, (not a myth), imagine being able to hit so fast (about 8+ punches per second)and so hard that one punch will cause massive internal dammage to the attacker...
brutal...
Hi all,
Had a burger at the golden M today and i am sure it had a kung fu on but it tasted like had been run over with a truck and allowed to mature in the sun for a day and scraped up of the road especially for me :p :p :p :p
Regards Mike
yes MICKYG it was, did'nt you know that...they all are
La Huerta,Quote:
Originally Posted by la Huerta
Just my 10 yens worth on this one....
From my experience being able to hit fast can only be achieved by sacrificing the power in the punch.....the young guns in the dojo I frequent are fast but their punches lack power. The older boys (not necessarily including myself here) hit alot slower but when they make contact....ouch!!
When you quote 8 punches a second it sounds fast but in most martial arts fast punches are done with both hands working alternately in quick succession....I reckon some of the kids in my dojo could get fairly close to that speed with their punches.
Cheers Martin
And my two bobs worth, if your ever in a actual situation where you need to use force - either gun, knife, hands whatever - then I can guarantee you never want to be in that situation again. I often think that those that romantise self defence (in any form) have never been in a situation where they needed to actually do it. Because the reality of violent situations is that they are nerve wracking, terrifying, sickening and unwanted.
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Mine wasn't, just didn't have time to consider what to do, just became instinctive, no fear or any other feeling at the time, knees went to jelly about three hours later after the andrenalin subsided.Quote:
Originally Posted by namtrak
I wasn't frightened, scared, feeling heroic, in fact I felt absolutely nothing, even the knife wound didn't hurt.....................at the time.
If you are expecting a confrontation I suspect this would all be different.
Aaaaamen to the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by namtrak
unfortunatly they don't teach spring power in the dojo's infact only a few people actually know it, and it has the ability to hit at at speed from any angle with a force like you'v never felt before, if getting hit by a normal person is like behing hit by a stick and a top martial artist hits like a brick, then with spring power it's like being hit by a massive sledge hammer...and with hands so fast they become invisible...cool hey...Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwigeo
sorry i did'nt mean to get so serious about all this...:o
lets all try and avoid voilence in the first place, if you do get into a situation where an attacter may want kill you, just hit the bloke as hard as you can and do not stop, screem , yell , kick, go loco loco ,make him absolutly affraid of you...even if you can't hit a fly in an outhouse...he's not to no that...
this is just theory of cause and i don't take any responsibility for your attempts to fool the bad guy, if you wind up dead , don't come crying to me..:D:D:D
The above is true, true, true.Quote:
And my two bobs worth, if your ever in a actual situation where you need to use force - either gun, knife, hands whatever - then I can guarantee you never want to be in that situation again. .... Because the reality of violent situations is that they are nerve wracking, terrifying, sickening and unwanted.
Namtrak is correct, no matter how good you think you are. Likewise Midge is correct, the best way of defending yourself is running away - I used to always preach that at my classes.
Martial arts is more than just learning how to fight though. It teaches confidence, control, ethics and a lot more - it can be a way of life. My proudest moments relate to young students that improved their marks at school through the confidence in themselves, not actually learing how to fight better.
As for speed, you must always remember, sooner or later you will meet someone that is better then you. The people I worried most about were the beginners, they were so unpredictable. As beginners you sometimes let your guard down. On the other hand, one of my old instructors was a weight lifter and hit like a mac truck. Mind you, he was still so fast that I usually blocked his punches on the way back from my head:o
Cheers
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Originally Posted by dai sensei
yes better to avoid voilence in the first place ...
but as you say , apart from a few ego minded wankers around, martial arts is something one learns for the reason that it's just so damm fasinating to watch your body become capable of things beyond what was though to be possible, build confidence, awareness and understanding of one's self...and lots of good fun...
have a peachy day:)
While at work at jail yesterday we saw a couple of silly bints on the TV demonstrating 'self defence' against a bloke dressed in a padded suit. We wondered how well they'd go against a real crim who was actually using force instead of a compliant demo bloke who wasn't struggling...Quote:
Originally Posted by namtrak
Bit dangerous I thought, makes people think that they can disarm and disable someone with a few simple twists that they saw on TV...
My weapon of choice is a Trend T5 router with a 25mm straight cutter......if I get stopped by the police I just tell them Im on the way to a Woodies meet and Greet.
I could tell a few stories about 'martial arts experts' and how they have come off in real world situations; got enough experience to see a pretty clear trend. A lot of people confuse training 'experience' with real world ability though.
To me the benefits to someones mental space achieved through practicing a martial arts speaks volumes about that person.
What happened to that person to have them be able to gain self confidence by thinking that they are good at beating up other people? Sounds like a few unresolved issues are hanging around.
To me, if an issue is that important that you have to go the knucks, then there is no point in loosing. Either run, or find a big stick. Or pretend it is all ok, and pay a later visit.
As for the "silly bints" ... never listen to someone on this issue who hasn't got the scars to lend authority.
I think you are mixing up those who think they are experts, and those who really are. Those I consider experts have no problems. Most of those have usually studies many styles, been bouncers, and fought in the ring. I have done all those, but have never considered myself anywhere near an expert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clinton1
Unresolved issues - yes you are right in some ways, a lot of people do have unresolved issues. Martial arts is not however, just about learning how to beat up people, a misconception by many. The "book of five rings" is a book based on martial arts, but is studied by the majority of successfull business men in Japan, and a lot of other countries. It is a lot about expanding that mental space in many ways.
I love your last 2 para's though, all true.
those who do martial arts for the sole purpose of wanting to fight someone has serious mental problems , i know a few famous business men (as well as regular joes) who do ku-fu , and do it because they enjoy it and never ever fight, it's just a special thing and helps there mental ability in there work and goals in life...
Yeah, I dropped out years ago, but even back in the day it was never about bashing people. Aikido particularly (being a throwing style) emphasises that it's important to train so that you have the ability not to injure your opponent (or sustain injury), i.e. to be fit enough to fight until your opponent is exhausted, and skilful enough to defend yourself without causing harm, if you so choose.
The best thing, I agree, is to avoid hassles in the first place. I'm definitely no hero, but I hope that I picked up enough to keep my wits about me when I'm out and to not go to pieces if something untoward does occur- at least I'll remember which direction to run in!;)
Anyway 'martial arts" is a broad label. Everything from ancient Chinese battlefield styles to "soft" chi-developing forms that have nothing to do with combat are included.
Night, all.
Rusty.
I've just started wing chun and am finding it fantastic. A much harder work out than going to the gym and I'm getting confidence already. I hate violence, but want to be able to defend myself and family and property from those who wish to hurt them. We did some Brazilian ju jitsu choke holds last night. Wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of them.
have been reading these accounts of macho happenings with dismay. Hate to bring religion into this discussion but for some of us it is against our religion to engage in this sort of behaviour. I am an Orthodox Coward. true in my younger days I played union rugby but you must remember it is a gentlemanly sport and we are very sorry if anyone gets hurt.
JHerry
Typo error
Jerry
Someone has to say it: "Brazilian ju Jitsu choke hold" - is that when you get your opponent in a headlock and shave off... oh never mind.:BQuote:
Originally Posted by Gingermick
Gaz.
shave off their ability to beathe ya mean