Didn't Bob Hawke try and get this through back in the 80's?
In some ways, it wouldn't be a bad idea. Not everyone has a drivers license. Can't see how it would help prevent terrorism though. I'm in the don't care camp.
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Didn't Bob Hawke try and get this through back in the 80's?
In some ways, it wouldn't be a bad idea. Not everyone has a drivers license. Can't see how it would help prevent terrorism though. I'm in the don't care camp.
Almost right, after lunch, well used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennylaird
Just got a bloody great fright, typing away and a bloody great spider just rapalled down between me and the computer and went in behind my desk.
I suppose on the waterfront it could be anytime as the wharfies would need to organise a protest delegation, just stroll past while they are doing it or pay a union fee:rolleyes:
How about they just insert an RFID into each one of us? Then they could have scanners everywhere and they'd know where we are AT ALL TIMES.
I'm sure that creepy walking cadaver Ruddock would love the idea.
Are you a spider crusher or do you move them outside to take care of insects? Usually the ones that drop in like that explore the sole of my shoe in great detail.
Just reminded me of an incident in Malaysia. Two of the 1RAR army troops stagerring back to base decided to stop at the Mosque and steal all the left hand thongs and drop them in the monny. The next day we had a special parade to avert an "international Incident" and the whole 1RAR Contingent were flown home that day as they would not identify the culprits.
(The locals were Hopping Mad)
Don't be fooled, most of us are trackable as is from out credit cards, mobile phones etc. Not easy to disappear unless you really are a Luddite.
Even when online on a woodwork forum, perhaps??????
Until you put on your foilie:D :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by craigb
Yeah but wasn't Garrett in favour of Keatings Australia card way back when.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashore
I was so opposed to the old card but having at the time a feral anger against the government that is Hawke Keating, and their lofty predisposition that was most of the reason maybe.
For a card now I can't see much point. There are lots of ways to ID people from passports to Drivers Licences Medicare Cards and so on and on.
London Bombers would not have been stopped by an ID card. SO not than I am against it I just can't see that there is any real reason to have one.
Studley
Why not put the money it would cost into more police to handle the everyday crime scene. Can't see how you would plan to avoid terrorism anyway as they are cowards and only attack undefended targets.
I see no point to it whatsoever.
Stopping terrorist acticities? Please, don't make me laugh. What dim-wit would believe that? It's just another (poor) excuse to reintroduce Hawkies proposal. Which, I'd like to point out, was suggested way before current terrorist hype.
It'd have little effect on crime, professional criminals aren't stupid enough to carry an authentic driver's license, let alone an ID card. At best, it'd make ID'ing the "dumb delinquents" a bit easier. At worst it provides another step closer to an Orwellian future. In reality, it's just another step in the govt's apparent aim of making the individual do the paperwork for them.
The only way to positively ID anybody would be to have a DNA/fingerprint bank for all citizens... and the day that happens I'll emigrate to a more liberal country. Like Iraq.
All in all, it's a bit like the gun laws. Makes it easier for the gov't to keep an eye on the sheep, but the wolves do not obey the rules of the flock. :p
G'day,
As with all things - if you've got nothing to hide why worry about it?
As always it's the civil @%#^*%$ libertarians :mad: who scream blue murder, but then they always do, if it was up to them everything would be banned and it'd be anachy on the streets.
Will it stop terrorism? Nope, and nothing will. Will it stop someone flogging ID? Probably. Is it needed? I don't know.
Like I said 1st up, if you're a law abiding citizen it won't worry you.
Civil LIbertarians are the biggest bunch of hippocrites that God ever put breath into, wait until something happens next door to them and it's a different rant.
Bit like the dedicated cop haters, who do they call when their car gets pinched:D :D :D :D
And getting a little off topic, that lunatic feminist group, Women Against Rape, how many have you met who are for it?????
You're dead right, no woman has raped me in 61 years and I gave them plenty of oportunity. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain
I hate the socialist workers. they want you to go to counceling for everything. little johny leaves his lunch at home -- its ok just go an get see the councelor. sprains his ankle in the play ground, ohhh poor dear, you need to see a councelor. goes to school and tell the teacher daddy got a splinter at work yesterday - oooh noooo! thats terrible , you must see the councelor imedeatly... whats the world comming to:eek:
G'day,
I can see one use for the Australia Card - to stop the dole bludgers claiming (to those honest people on the dole, no offence meant) benefits under different names.
"I hate the socialist workers. they want you to go to counceling for everything" - in the words of Ted Bullpit, "Someone should bloody well shoot 'em!"
"Civil LIbertarians are the biggest bunch of hippocrites" - in the words of Ted Bullpit, "Someone should bloody well shoot 'em!"
Oh dear! I don't like may people do I? :D
Huh? Aren't applications already checked against your tax file no? If people are already running around with duplicate TFN's, what's to stop 'em from running around with multiple ID cards? How will changing the name of a bit of paper make any difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waldo
Civil libertarians may be a pita but don't forget that, unlike the US, the rights of the individual are not defined in the Australian constitution (which basically deals with the rights of the govt bodies) and are only regulated by common law.Quote:
"Civil LIbertarians are the biggest bunch of hippocrites" - in the words of Ted Bullpit, "Someone should bloody well shoot 'em!"
We don't even have an effective watchdog, our system seems to rely on the "squeaky wheel" principle.
But it suits me fine, just as it is. :D
Not to be picky or anything, but it was usually "someone should blow bloody 'insert subject' up" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Waldo
I'm a law-abiding citizen, mostly, and where my behaviour does conflict with the law I believe it's the law that requires modifying. I also have something to hide: my life. It's mine, and you can't look at it. Funny how people's definition of freedom seems to be so flexible, and so selectively applied.
So anyway, no. No surprises there, I'm sure.
Regards,
Rusty.
Do a cost analysis of what we will gain versus what it costs then spend the money on the health system. It needs it.:p
G'day Oges,Quote:
Originally Posted by oges
Thanks for the clarification. Someone should bring back Kingswood Country on TV, the best Australain show by far.
Got the best of DVD pack for my b'day, sadly 13 episodes is not enough.
Unfortunately I dont think it would ever be back on tv, it wouldnt make it past the political correctness BS we have these days
Love to be able to get my hands on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by oges
Blame the bunch of pinkopoofterleftwingwogs for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by oges
:D :eek:
more like the pinkolezoleftwingjackbootbrigade ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waldo
Neville??????
he`s out in the garden;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain
Giving everyone dark looks:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by redwood
it would be a black day if ever he was removed:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Iain
Brett Just make a copy of the dvd and you'll have 26 episodes :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by oges
Pete
Well, perhaps it wouldn't worry me if I was sure we had a law abiding government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waldo
Vote early & vote often eh Wongo?
BTW jackboots are usually associated with facism, not socialism. And is a socialist worker? A union member? A worker from Cuba? PAYG person whom is a socialist?
Not being a spelling nazi, but confusing terms of reference is plain confusing.
This is all just a smokescreen, never fails to amuse me how many times they get away with this old double feint.:rolleyes: and everyone still falls for it over & over & over, there probably never was going to be and never will be from the present mob any such thing, it's about blindsiding all of us with something else. The biggest mistake most people make is in the belief politicians are stupid, they're not they are generally very smart individuals, whom mentally can run rings around most us normals, and they hunt in packs.
I have not yet and don't think I will hear a sensible and coherent argument against the ID card.
I have been saying for years that we should have an ID card that everyone over 15 years old has to carry. Think how much easier it would be if a natural disaster such as the tsunami were to hit, to identify people killed. Or car accidents, or any number of things. Those who say that civil liberties are curtailed by an ID card are idiots (as are all civil libertarians).
But then I also say the same of DNA. Everyone should be DNA profiled at about 2 years of age and their DNA filed. You could even put the DNA profile in code on the ID card. Added security.
The only people with something to fear from being identified are those who deserve to have their liberties removed. If you do nothing wrong, you will never have your DNA see the light of day. I see DNA profiling as a bigger deterrent to hideous sex crimes and offenders than the poxy sentences handed down by judges. If someone is caught after they are profiled then they obviously have to be removed from the community and locked up forever, because they obviously can't help themselves.
Dan
No mate, 'smart' politicians don't last. It's the cunning ones who do. Much to our detriment.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by E. maculata
G'day,
DanP, I fully agree with you.
I agree with Dan about there being no valid reasons against an ID card, if it is going to be accepted as an actual Identity Card.
How it will be accepted is another question. Lets face it, Australia is a country that does not even recognise it's own passports as prime proof of identity. So what use is an ID card going to be.
Try putting over your passport when you want to open a bank account or get a licence, Ha, they'll ask you for something else like an electricity bill or some other real proof of identity. :rolleyes:
The government's track record regarding identity methods brings very much to mind things like "Couldn't organise a chook raffle" or "Couldn't organise a .... in a ....... with a fist full of $100 dollar notes".
I can understand .... being edited out but why the ladies workplace, ....... is not a dirty word, or is it?
Getting off ....... topic again;)
Excuse me for being cynical but I would expect law enforcment officers to want to have more power.Quote:
I have been saying for years that we should have an ID card that everyone over 15 years old has to carry. Think how much easier it would be if a natural disaster such as the tsunami were to hit, to identify people killed. Or car accidents, or any number of things. Those who say that civil liberties are curtailed by an ID card are idiots (as are all civil libertarians).
Are you going to arrest people for not carring one?
Maybe not today but as the government gets more paranoid, they'll instruct you do so in the future.
A study of history will suggest that enforcing people to carry ids and the recent enactment of laws that diminish our civil liberties have a way of being turned around and used against us.Quote:
I have not yet and don't think I will hear a sensible and coherent argument against the ID card.
In the '70s, the Charlie Court government in WA enacted a law (54b) that made it illegal for groups of more than 3 people to congregate in public without a permit. It was designed to stop the Hari Krishnas from harassing people. 12 months later the the Court government used this law to instruct the police to arrest anyone who attended a union meeting.
I must be a idiot then. :(Quote:
Those who say that civil liberties are curtailed by an ID card are idiots (as are all civil libertarians).
Greenie for that Grunt. Agree wholeheartedly. In any case I don't recall terrorism being touted as a reason for introducing an Oz Card. IMHO its a simple answer to the vexed question of identity proof when its needed -as in natural disasters. Honest people should have no problems with it. I'm not interested in redneck conspiracy theorists. We don't live under a repressive regime (yet, though Ruddock would like us to). Our system of government lets us toss out governments who do things we don't like. Instead of grizzling about it we should get out and make much more considered votes than we do. The biggest danger australia faces is the repressive beliefs and policies of the god-bothering extreme right who have infiltrated governments - both state and federal. Rant off!!:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
me too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waldo
Of course !Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
Too vague. Please give some examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
Fair enough too. If we had no unions, we'd have less trouble and more jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
We already knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
Hope you don't forget yours when you go down to the shop.Quote:
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Are you going to arrest people for not carring one?
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Of course !
Nazi Germany, RussiaQuote:
Too vague. Please give some examples.
Except if they decide to use the law to arrest anyone who gathered to protest about the government. The point is laws like this seem harmless but in fact they are insidious and can be used against the populus in all manner of unexpected ways.Quote:
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12 months later the the Court government used this law to instruct the police to arrest anyone who attended a union meeting.
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Fair enough too. If we had no unions, we'd have less trouble and more jobs.
Yes but I can spell insidious.Quote:
We already knew that.
Bloody Hell, agreeing with Grunt :eek: What next?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Grunt
Have a greenie dogbreath.
:D
Edit: Oh bugger I can't :( (usual reasons)
We haff vays of getting you to haff your cards!!!!!!!
Slap! Slap!
Stop slapping me while I'm giving you orders!!!!!!!