Just wadda ya tryin to say there big fella?:pQuote:
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Just wadda ya tryin to say there big fella?:pQuote:
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Bring back the White Australia Policy.......Enoch Powell ,RIP.
And his quote was, this is only a quote:
'If you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote labour'
See how long this factual piece of information lasts.
Not smut peddlers, they are media sales people. The only two purposes of all media - TV, Print, Radio et al, is to raise their ratings/circulation thus increasing their rate for ads and 2) to advance their proprietor's political philosophy or business interests - this is a poor secondQuote:
Originally Posted by Toolin Around
They print/broadcast what we want to hear.
An absolute shame on Australia .
No different to the media in general on a worldwide basis, they have their standards to belittle themselves to.
Errr....were not all the people in the riot "white" in the terms of that ridiculous piece of garbage????Quote:
Originally Posted by 46150
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I was just wondering if we can put the mob on survivor island for a stretch
Studley
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Originally Posted by bitingmidge
To quote Pauline "please explain "
The white Australia Policy was intended to keep out the yellow peril; the hoardes from Asia, and our Lebanese friends were among those who were encouraged to settle here.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_rine
No Asians involved on the weekend as far as I have heard, and whether we like it or not, (and I do) we are an Asian nation, or were last time I looked at an atlas.Quote:
While the White Australia policy may have embraced a primitive belief in Arthur Caldwell’s words that ‘two Wongs don’t make a White’, it was essentially based on a legitimate fear by the Australian working classes that hard-won living standards would be jeopardised by massive immigration from Asian countries with vastly lower standards overall.
European immigration on the other hand, was encouraged as a way of making up the population base with appropriately coloured people.
And as for Enoch Powell:
I'd be pleased to back up my garbage statement further if required!!Quote:
Powell was noted for his oratorical skills, and for being a maverick who cared little about what harm he did to his party - or himself. On Saturday April 20th 1968 he made a controversial speech in Birmingham, in which he warned his audience of what he believed would be the consequences of continued unchecked immigration from the Commonwealth to Britain. Because of its allusion to Virgil saying that the Tiber would foam with blood, Powell's warning was christened the 'Rivers of Blood' speech by the press, and the name stuck.
One feature of the speech was the extensive quotation of a letter Powell had received detailing the experiences of one of his constituents in Wolverhampton, an elderly woman who was supposedly the last white person living in her street. She had repeatedly refused applications from non-whites requiring rooms-to-let, which resulted in her being called a racist outside her home and receiving excreta through her letterbox. Despite combing the electoral register and other sources, the editor of the local newspaper Clem Jones (a close friend of Powell's, who broke off relations with him over the controversy) and his journalists failed to identify the woman. It is alleged that the National Front fed Powell with black propaganda, which he failed to recognize as such, although it has also been claimed that the woman actually lived in Nottingham. The speech was delivered while the 1968 Race Relations Bill (later Act) was making its way through parliament, which was to make the colour bar in housing illegal.
Cheers,
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Chinese, Irish, English, Italian, Romany Gypsy, nephew maried a Lebanese Christian, why hell I even have Wards in MY family. I don't vilify anyone otherwise I'd have to throw rocks at myself..and I hate pain....:D:D:D:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Greg Ward
Crikey 46150 (is that your old service number perchance) you've even managed to offend me with that foolish comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by 46150
No Asians involved on the weekend as far as I have heard, and whether we like it or not, (and I do) we are an Asian nation, or were last time I looked at an atlas.
Midge Australia is it's own continent. There are seven. Africa Europe Asia North and South America Antarctica and Australia. Nothing much really to do with the subject but
Studley
Once upon a time you could read a newspaper and get a reasonably balanced view of the world because journalists simply reported the news. Then for some reason they decided it was fun to editorialise in an effort to get the readership to accept one view or another. These days the media (print in particular) are little more than mouthpieces for a particular political bent - primarily right-wing conservative. If you study the staff lists of almost all politicians, Federal and State mainstream political parties you will see an apalling preponderance of former media maggots. These are the same people who served their time "reporting" the news as their political masters intended us to see it. The current problems in Cronulla are being fuelled by the bias of the media and driven by politicians worried about the polls. The term, "of Middle Eastern appearance", IMHO is being trumpeted deliberately by the media at every opportunity in order to build a wedge in our community. Historically, wedge politics has been the most powerful weapon in the armory of conservative governments - and to be fair on a few occasions - progressive or sociallist governments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodgy
Whenever the Howard government begins to look bad in the opinion polls something like the Cronulla issue is beaten up to divert our attention from the real issues of the day. For example, it is conceded that someone (who may never be found out despite an inquiry) in the Coalition parties at the Federal level ramped up the old previously reported and forgotten issues of Bob Gerard's tax problems which diverted everyone's attention including the Beazley mob from the IR changes and VSU issues which deserved far more debate and scrutiny than was allowed. Those two pieces of legislation and the sedition legislation were rammed through the parliament after the Senate leader Robert Hill put 57 gag motions in force (expl: a gag motion is a method employed by the government in debate to end or bar debate on legislation). Something which has never happened in 105 years of Federation. But, what are we focussed on?? A contrived race riot (which John Howard blithely denies) cum drunken brawl on a cruddy little beach in Sydney. Its pathetic. No-one seems to care that our parliamentary institution and constitution are being trampled on by a government with far too much power. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:And to think I was going to stick to WW.:(:(:(
oops! I think I just commited SEDITION!!!! Better hide in the shed.:eek::eek::eek::eek:
Yes it is, but in the context of my comments, there are half a dozen Asian Cities closer to Darwin than any Australian one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Studley 2436
Australia is located NEXT to Asia, and a bloody long way from Europe!
Cheers,
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Only geographically though. There's very little in common between Australia/NZ and the rest of this neck of the woods politically and culturally. Hey, if we're an Asian country, how come Mr Mahathir doesn't want us to go to the summit?Quote:
a bloody long way from Europe
Anyway, more retaliation last night. Reports of another SMS circulating calling all 'Lions of Lebanon' to strike back at the 'Aussies' next Sunday. Might be time to call in the army. Or the National Guard (do we have one of those?).
I'm glad I don't live there any more.
Pretty simple solution if our politicians had even the semblance of a backbone.
Pass some temporary emergency legislation providing police the power to arrest and charge anyone in the southern beaches area carrying offensive weapons, refusing to disperse etc. Draft in an enormous police presence from other areas and institute a zero tolerance policy. Arrest and charge all the thugs regardless of ethnicity, not too gently either. Problem would be to keep the lawyers away and make any sentences stick.
The old Riot Act would probably work too.
The interesting thing about these riots as opposed to the recent French version is that judging by their cars, the Lebs are not financially disadvantaged, so whats the issue?
Surfies and beach bums have always been territorial in Oz. Try catching a wave at any Sydney beach if the locals have deemed it their patch - white, black, yellow you'll still cop a hiding. So this has contributed, years of the Lebs being dissed at the beach. The other factor seems to be the enduring ME or Muslim attitude towards women - particularly at the lower end of the education and socio economic demographic. Any girl in a short skirt is a slut, a girl on the beach in a revealing swim suit is Jezebel. Taught by their Leb born parents and Muslim precepts, the young Leb men constantly shout, firstly, offers to 'service' the girls, then, upon refusal, torrents of gross sexual abuse.
We all know young men of any group are 'young, dumb and full of cum' so resentment grows amongst the young Lebs cause they aint getting any from these percieved 'sluts'. The Anglos dont like their girls being so treated and on it goes. Add the current generalised community suspicion of all things Muslim, and many ME's feeling marginalised, and we've got the environment for whats currently happening.
Like the Italian and the Greek immigrants of the 60's it'll all go in a generation.
White Austrian policy?
You bloody idiot it would not work. There were “Red American Indian policy”, “Yellow Asian policy”, “Black African policy” and “Black aboriginal policy”. None of them worked.
You bloody idiot!!:mad:
gday everyone
i had a bit of fun yesterday in a shop, i look like your average aussie irish convict desended yobbo. while i was in a shop the fella behind the counter and a few custermers were having a winge abought lebbos and how they shouldent be in "our country" and saying some fairly nasty things when they asked what i thought. the look on there faces when i told them that my wife is lebonese and therefore my son is half lebbo was brillent. my wife recons that becouse he is mixed irish and lebbo he will grow up to be a mad bommer that couldend be stufed and will go to the pub instead.
shep
I'm sorry to say, Scott, that the policy did exist in this country until the 1950's - and you are proof that it did not work, for which we are grateful.Quote:
You bloody idiot it would not work.
If you hadn't started this post off "Once upon a time" I might have taken the bait, but clearly it's a fairy story, just like the bit about getting a balanced view from a newspaper ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedhand
Governments started that, it was called censorship, and propoganda. Then the journos made an art form out of fiction.Quote:
Then for some reason they decided it was fun to editorialise in an effort to get the readership to accept one view or another.
Do you really expect anyone to believe that John H has got a few of his Lebbo mates to go a belt up a few cars to take our minds off the world??? Give me a break!!Quote:
TThe current problems in Cronulla are being fuelled by the bias of the media and driven by politicians worried about the polls. Whenever the Howard government begins to look bad in the opinion polls something like the Cronulla issue is beaten up to divert our attention from the real issues of the day.
Gag motions are a fact of parliamentary debate, after 24 straight hours debating the one subject, I'd be looking for more than a gag motion. Must've had a very lightweight 'ram'.Quote:
rammed through the parliament after the Senate leader Robert Hill put 57 gag motions in force (expl: a gag motion is a method employed by the government in debate to end or bar debate on legislation). Something which has never happened in 105 years of Federation.
I may be mistaken here, but the object of a political party is to be elected with an absolute majority, when that happens it forms a government. "Far too much power" is what happens when the government has one more seat in the senate than the opposition... that's the way it's supposed to work.Quote:
No-one seems to care that our parliamentary institution and constitution are being trampled on by a government with far too much power.
One of needs to give up reading pinko ratbag propoganda, and buy the Australian.
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Actually Scott, I sort of disagree with Silent, it may not have worked, but it left a big scar on our society, that remains today... as exampled by the idiot post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wongo
It was an incredibly shameful time in our history, but in the context of the post-war propaganda that prevailed, one that can perhaps be understood. What I have trouble wiht is many people in their 60's who are still wary of the Asian hordes who will sweep down from the north and take us over, forcing us to work in their paddy fields.
The "Two Wongs don't make a White" remark was brought home quite painfully to me in a nearby Asian Country, by a gentleman with your surname who was bitterly cut by it, as he was a visiting student here at the time and suffered some recriminations. It gave him great pleasure 40 years later to make a point of NEVER dealing with Australian consultants. So yes it did have an impact!!
All we can do is leave those who believe it had validity, to fester in the putrid muck that must be their decaying brains.......
If you want to know what I REALLY think, you'll have to PM me!!
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This whole thing brings shame on Australia, and by association all Australians. Most of the time I'm fairly desensitised to what I see/hear on the news, but this affair brought me very close to tears.
Why can't we just accept that all of us, bar about 2-3% of the population, are all immigrants...its just a matter of how recent. We are all Australians, and together we make up the nation. Leave the racist tripe back in the country you came from. It doesn't reflect well on us throughout the world.
The thing that really concerns me about most people's reactions to this is that the gangs of thugs from Lakemba are being turned into innocent victims of racism.
The way I see it, the problem exists on both sides of the fence. The crowd at Cronulla went over the top but don't believe for a minute that the same thing could or would not have happened if a few carloads of wax heads had headed out to Lakemba on Sunday instead.
They're all as bad as one another. It's nothing to do with racism. If you believe that these Lebanese gangs were just going down to the beach and sitting around having a picnic when they were set upon by a bunch of nasty racist Aussies then you have the wrong picture. Innocent people do not carry knives and they certainly don't smash car windscreens with baseball bats.
For anyone who doesn't know, gangs are a major problem in the south west and have been for several years. I lived on top of it and it's probably a major contributing factor to my wanting to get my family out of Sydney. Anyone who lives there could see something like this coming.
The problem is that it is no longer only the gangs who are involved. Muslim Sydney has taken it as an attack on them and so the fun begins.
I for one am not ashamed. I've done nothing wrong.
When I was at Transit I was dealing with the Springvale nips, the Oakleigh wogs the Full Blooded Islanders the Cambodian Clowns and the Broady Lebs. Not many Aussies in those groups I can tell you. They are their own names, by the way (before someone gets offended).
I have heard a great many people commenting on their "Italian Premier" and their "Lebanese Governor" Etc. Surely those people are Australian. Of ethnic heritage maybe but they are Australian.
IMO this is the root of the problem. I am Australian, an ancestor of mine came out on a boat. My best mate, he's Australian, his father emigrated here from Lebanon, His mother from Syria. He is one of the nicest people I have ever met and if you ask what nationality he is, he proudly says Australian.
These people who tell you they are "Lebanese" or "Italian" or otherwise, IMO are bluntly refusing to be integrated.
I couldn't care less what religion they chose to follow. As long as they don't push it on me and respect my decision to follow no religion.
I'm with Silent, Religion has nothing to do with this issue. It's a bunch of d1ck heads having a crack at another bunch of d1ck heads and the first d1ck heads don't get that there are innocent people getting stuck in the middle.
Dan
I think we all agree that it is nothing to do with anything. It is just bad people.
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The trouble of calling people names is you are offending 99.9% of the good ones.
SilentC,Quote:
Originally Posted by silentC
You are a bit out in your dates; the White Australia policy was alive and kicking until the early 1970's. But for that policy, I would have been a 10 pound pom in 1970. However, my first wife was Jamaican by birth, although a British Citizen, and it still stuck in the craw of the Australian government to import a black person with a cheap fare. The White Australia policy finally died in 1972, although it was substantially weakened in 1966.
Having said all that, I believe that Australia should extract from immigrants an undertaking to accept and adhere to Australian values, notably democratic principles, freedom of religion, and the primacy of the rule of law. I also believe that immigrants who wilfully fail to adhere to these principles should run the risk of deportation to their countries of origin.
Rocker
I got the dates from the article in Wikipedia, which states that "various of the policy's official aspects were operative from the late 1880s until the 1950s, with certain elements of the policy surviving until the 1970s." It was enacted in legislation as the Immigration Restriction Act 1901 which was repealed in 1958 but apparently the WAP was not officially abolished until 1966.
I guess it was a gradual phasing out but until 1958 you had to sit a dictation test to prove you could speak and understand English amongst other things.
The main problem here is that the idiots causing the problems are not immigrants, they were born here.
An interesting perspective from a retired Detective who worked in South West Sydney: http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/artic...article_id=581
SilentC,
Maybe the White Australia policy was not officially acknowledged after the 1950's, but it remained more or less in place through administrative decisions until the late 1960's to early 1970's. As I mentioned in my earlier post, if my first wife had been English by birth, she and I would have received a 10-pound fare to come to Australia in 1970 without question. But, presumably because of her Jamaican origin, an administrative decision was made not to grant her a cheap fare, so we both paid the full fare. However, by that time, it would have been too politically embarrassing to have excluded her altogether, so she was not refused entry. Again, the granting of cheap fares to encourage British people to migrate to Australia, was an aspect of the White Australia policy that persisted until the early 70's.
Rocker
No doubt some elements of it persisted beyond the early 70's too. Mark Latham reckons it is alive and well in the ANZUS alliance.
Rocker, I was talking to my sister about the 10-pound fares last night. It seems that they had to surrender their passports on arrival to meet the requirements. She recently tried to go to school again and found she needed to be an Australian citizen or pay full fees, for which she needs her passport.
Immigration said 'lost ages ago' and now she is an "illegal" in no-man's-land. They have now given her three lifetimes worth of paper to fill out.
Gotta luv the buraucracy.
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Originally Posted by bitingmidge
If they claim to be Australian too, why do the say that they are prepared to die for Lebanon?
If you don't like being Australian, Pissorf and leave.
Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
Grafton
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Originally Posted by Wongo
You cat lover you. :p
Hey not all cat lovers are bad. They are just a bit odd.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by outback
Groggy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Groggy
I think your sister was a bit remiss in not reclaiming her passport after the two years during which the poms had to whinge in Oz before they could go home, if they didn't like the place. She is now suffering the revenge of the clerks for not becoming an Aussie as soon as she became eligible to apply for citizenship. She should not have too much difficulty in obtaining another British passport, I would think.
Rocker
Been away for a month and come back to this post. Haven't read it all yet will do so later but need to clear up something first.
Bodgies and widgies never fought each other, a widgie was a female bodgie. Some of them had a bit of a beef with beetnicks, and jazzers many had a beef with the police, so much so that the Victorian police formed the bodgie squad to try and prevail over the gangs of bodgie & widgies who ran riot in the 50's and early 60's.
Want to see a bodgie get a copy of Marlon Brando's "The Wild One" or watch Grease. Some of the bodgies became rockers and went to war with mods, jazzers, sharpies, and often other gangs of rockers. Some became Sharpies and went to war with rockers, mods and jazzers etc. Almost all at some time had a beef with the surfies. Lots drifted off into bikie gangs Hells Angels, etc etc. Many bodgies and widgies are the retiring community and business leaders of today.
Mostly there was no racial justification for fights, usually it was teritorial but was often as simple as someone being looked at sideways, sometimes inflamed by booze (Dutch courage). Always there was verbal abuse (name calling) mostly it wasn't racist it was just a verbal way of trying to hurt someone.
Nothing seems to have changed, this lot in Sydney, from what I have seen, is a territorial thing between gangs. The only major difference is the press and the way it's being portrayed in the media. They say it is so terribly un Australian. Rubbish it's just a good old Aussie pub brawl. I have seen bigger and better in the 60's in Melborne and at Lorne. Can recall all the furniture and the rest of the contents of the Lorne Hotel beer garden being bumped onto a few police cars while 3 - 4,000 rockers and surfies brawled in and around the pub. Later they all sat down and drank the place dry.
Still I have to admit, I'm glad that me and mine are well away from it all.
Cheers - Neil :)
Although my "idiot post" may have been over the top and tongue in cheek,read Silent C's post#70 and you may see similiarities as to what I'm on about.If i have offended some,i appologise,..........Al
Heh heh, Neil is really showing his heritage now. Sounds like he was a bodgy, and progressed through sharpiness to attain enlightenment as a mod, he has now settled down as a rocker.
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Your missus looking over your shoulder then? :p :rolleyes: