It worries me that he's been so quiet.
I've been reading Nuremberg Diary by G.M. Gilbert, the similarities are disturbing.
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It worries me that he's been so quiet.
I've been reading Nuremberg Diary by G.M. Gilbert, the similarities are disturbing.
you looking for a reference Brett?Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
"Australia Restoration Expert" or similar ?
I'll just leave this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ZEFM7_Itk
I received that and was going to post it but you beat me to it, Elan.
There was a quote in the paper the other day "he spat his dummy and threw the toys out of his cot".
A quote on ABC24 by a republican "Trump has a relatively relaxed relationship with the truth".
Relaxed? I'd be describing it as actively hostile...
It has been a disturbing four years.
I could talk about the legacy for both the American people and indeed the world. I could talk about the lies (several thousand have been documented). I could talk about the behaviour. I could talk about the POTUS playing golf instead of dealing with the issue. I could talk about the way the rest of the world sees him and the diminished standing he has brought to the US. I could talk about the lack of decency that others have attributed to him. I could talk about the "discussions" with the Ukrainian president and the attempt at coercion. I could talk about his reluctance to concede defeat. I could talk about the infantile behaviour. I could talk about all these aberrations, but I won't!
What I will do is ask you to view the concession speech of John McCain (not necessary if you are already familiar with it) when he was defeated by Barack Obama in 2008. I need say no more other than to ask you to compare McCain's acknowledgement and the Trump shenanigans and perhaps also watch Elan's video (again, not necessary if you have already watched).
Senator John McCain Election Night Speech (Full Video) - YouTube
Regards
Paul
I saw that McCain concession speech. It was magnificent. Have to admit, when I saw it it changed my opinion of him greatly.
Another wonderful moment was Obama's speech to Biden, and Biden's response. Try and picture Trumpet in their shoes ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3UCW_AV93M&ab_channel=CBCNews
Regards from Perth
Derek
John McCain would have been a fine US President. He was saddled with some bad luck (his opponent chosen by the Democrats) and some poor judgement (his choice of VP candidate).
In many ways, the USA was not ready for for a black President, and that kind of led to where we are. It's not just me that thinks that. Obama's memoir released next week (there are extracts in advance of release) more or less says the same thing.
And yet; on Election Day in 2008, I recall a radio journalist recording Vox pops in southern USA somewhere and one of them was a Southern lady of advancing years. She was asked who she was voting for by the journalist. Her reply was both gobsmackingly gauche and beautiful at the same time. It included the N-word. She said, "Oh, I'm voting for the <N-word>". My jaw bounced off the floor. But, here's the beautiful part; it was not said with malice but with delight. She was happy to have voted for Obama and Biden. I really wish I could find that again. It made me feel a little optimistic about the future of the USA and it finally coming to terms with its relationship with race issues.
I mean, I was wrong about the immediate future; but it is not over yet.
Before the election there was all sorts of crazy talk about a "second" civil war. Not crazy in the sense this could never happen, but crazy that it is not a zero percent chance of it happening. But really, had this occurred, this would not have been a second civil war but a continuation of the first. It's still all about "race".
I earlier mentioned that we are a multi-racial family, which is pretty vague; I know. It was meant to be.
My children are ethnically African. They are adopted. As far as I can see they are well within a standard deviation of their peers of all races. They are both net contributors to our society. I am extremely proud of both of them.
It's high time that white people (and I am white) generally got the hell over this delusion of superiority based on the percentage of pigment (or absence thereof) in their skin. We are doing much better than this in Australia than the USA; but the number of our homegrown racists is still a non-zero number. The elevation of Trump just emboldened the racists in the USA. Our racists are still keeping their heads down.
Good!
Yes, yes, and yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by markharrison
<n-word>You reckon Mark? I don't think so. Just using a measure of black people in high office positions......we are WAY behind the USA. It's not good there, and it's not good here either. I think both countries do very badly with racism in different ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by markharrison
My parents (and general AUssie society) inculcated me with racism as a child, and it wasn't until I was about 18 that I started to come to grips with it. Their focus was my Italian BIL. Funnily enough it was food that helped me along the way - I had had a solid diet of meat & 3 crucified vege for 18 years, and then went to live with Sister & BIL for a month. I was never the same again!
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We are doing better; though we are not perfect. As I said; with a few notable exceptions, the average Australian racist is too cowed to speak out much. On the odd occasion when they raise their ugly mugs above the parapet, the general population largely lobs enough ordure at them they pull their heads back in. The most recent notable example being that idiot that was too stupid even for the One Notion Party, which is a very low bar indeed. Nobody has heard of him since!Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
You are correct about black people in higher positions in Australia. We can do better. That said, we do not have the same percentage of ethnic African people in our population relative to the USA.
I'm talking more about the day-to-day interactions with the general population here versus the USA that African people experience. Obviously, my information is second-hand. I'm not experiencing it directly and, of course, it varies regionally in the USA. A lot! You can't compare Buttcrack, North Carolina to say any of the major cities of more progressive regions (SFO, NY, LA).
We spent several months as a family in Seattle when my children were little back in 2000. It was fantastic. We all had a great time. The locals in western Seattle were very friendly, accepting, and welcoming.
Now compare that to the way I saw African American people being spoken to in North Carolina when I visited there. I did not like NC, at all.
I'm not scared that my children might be arbitrarily detained by some racist cop on a whim and not survive the encounter. A part of that is the professionalism of our local law enforcement agencies versus the incredibly stupid way local law enforcement is structured and managed (if that is not an abuse of the term...) in most areas in the USA.
Our police are not perfect either and historically have been pretty awful too at various times. But it is not like that was the designed intention! Well; with, perhaps, the exceptions of Queensland and New South Wales in the 70's and 80's under the Petersen and Askin governments respectively...
This is exactly the problem, and it is exactly those people who have been given a very loud voice in the US. Just because the Australian versions don't feel at the moment that they can't speak out much, doesn't mean they aren't there, stewing away. Ask Adam Goodes, or a plethora of various indigenous athletes and others. I take the point about US black deaths at the hands of the Police, but white fellas don't do so well with them either (although nowhere near as badly).Quote:
Originally Posted by markharrison
Have a look at this 5 minute vid from Van Jones (black CNN reporter), commenting after the election. It's heartbreaking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ScxGsB-ks
I personally think the rascism card often gets overplayed and that as a whole we are a tolerant nation.
What does get people going is when newcomers to Australia don’t want to accept or abide by our rules and ways of life because it doesn’t tie in with their cultural beliefs etc and that gets turned around in being called rascist which it is not. What is the old saying. When in Rome........
For those that don’t think that have a look at how things play out in most other nations
For the record I am also by choice a mixed race family
Lol, I remember the same when I started dating my wife and eating meals with her family, I didn’t want to go back home for mums Aussie cooking anymore and I know my wife didn’t enjoy meals there as our typical meals were so bland and over cooked by comparison as you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
You can’t beat good wog food :D
A tweet from the Manbaby yesterday, wanting it both ways:
Donald Trump is claiming credit for how secure the election was, while simultaneously pushing baseless claims of massive fraud in the race.
“For years the Dems have been preaching how unsafe and rigged our elections have been,” Trump said in a new tweet. “Now they are saying what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!”
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I have to wonder what our own Indigenous people think about that. I'm not so sure they'd agree with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beardy
It's one thing to consider it from the point of view of those from countries that have been represented here for a while (e.g. the Mediterraneans from the 1950s and 60s), but quite another from the perspective of more recent arrivals. It seems to me that it takes at least a generation for the prejudice to subside against the latest targets.
As an example, my Italian BIL (arrived around 1964) said he was glad when the Vietnamese started arriving here in significant numbers in the late 1970s because "everybody leava me alone now, and getta offa my back" which drew much laughter.
(without wishing to stay off topic too much)
All my indigenous friends agree with the sentiment. Looking at the colour of their skin only taints the issueQuote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
In general a lot of their issues are shared with other sectors of our community as well.
My son lived in an aboriginal community for 18 months so has seen it from both sides and my daughters best friend and flat mate is full blood as well
Sure you still have the activist sector looking to stir trouble regardless of what is happening
Well said, Brett.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
Listen to Stan Grant. Better still, read his books, particularly Talking to My Country and On Identity. We white fellas really have no idea. Ask the indigenous bloke who, having dropped off his little one early one morning, was stopped by the cops in Chippendale recently and questioned for 15 minutes before he was allowed to drive on. It was not a traffic stop, they just thought he may have been a malfeasant.
We still have a very long way to go.
mick
and you don’t think that happens to other people of various target groups that are not indigenous? There are plenty of suburbs where the same thing happens to a white fella or other ethnic groups just like the police target young males with P plates. Whilst all that is not so palatable it isn’t rascismQuote:
Originally Posted by Glider
Eh??Quote:
Originally Posted by Beardy
I think maybe..Quote:
Originally Posted by Glider
So what is it when that same copper randomly pick a young white Anglo Saxon ( or whatever because I think it is irrelevant) in his bommodore on his way to the shops to buy some smokes?Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
Is that rascist too?
I am not sticking up for the copper, he/ she may well of stepped over the mark and if so should be dealt with accordingly but I don’t think it is helpful or constructive to turn it all around to being a rascism issue
When the BLM rallies were on I was shocked and surprised at the number of black deaths in custody so looked up the official statistics to check and found the percentage of indigenous deaths in custody was consistent everyone else in jail.
If there is a problem there it is across the board not just one sector of society
Evidence of this happening? (or maybe the bommodore was just too suss?) Or is that just conjecture?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beardy
You seem to rely on "alternative facts" and cherry picking. I think you'd best read the VERY FIRST LINE from this govt report:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beardy
Indigenous Deaths in Custody: Chapter 3 Comparison: Indigenous and Non-Indigenous Deaths | Australian Human Rights Commission
You call indigenous people being 16.5 times more likely to die in custody than non-indigenous ok? Apparently they are only 1.26x more likely to die in actual jail.....because they don't 'king make it there in the first place!!
FFS, get real man if you want to be taken seriously.
A little YouTube channel I follow,
With some interesting insights.
US ELECTION! China Responds - YouTube
Cheers Matt.
This is the document I was reading which is more recentQuote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default...dic_210219.pdf
You said it yourself, a target group. My very point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beardy
mick
I would never suggest for one moment we don't have racists. That is demonstrably true.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
The racists are always going to be with us. But relative to the USA, we are doing better. An openly racist candidate is highly unlikely to attract nearly half the vote of the population here.
Remember [rhymes with] Razor Banning? In the last federal election, they received such a pitifully small amount of support they would not have even got their deposits back. I think it is highly unlikely they will appear in future elections.
One Notion party lost even more ground in the recent QLD election. The caveat I would put on that is the former Labor figure that went over to One Notion. If he were to get in a real position of control in One Notion, it would be a different game. He is intelligent, resourceful and as cunning as a rat though fortunately highly repellent. The current management of that party are so spectacularly incompetent they are no threat to anyone but themselves.
The young and stupid pretty much bring themselves to the attention of police everywhere, by their actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glider
I highly doubt there are police picking on random white kids just for the hell of it. As I said earlier, while not perfect, our police are far more professional.
That said, based on the statistics of First Nations peoples arrests and custodial sentences, I recognise that our First Nations brothers and sisters almost certainly have a different perspective on this matter than I do.