Where do I start - Kitchen Reno

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Originally Posted by ian

two, possibly three, potential "gotcha" issues I can see.

1. does the new cabinetry exactly match the colour of the pelmet you have left in the ceiling? Me thinks it's unlikely.

2. do the new overhead cupboards exactly meet with the pelmet? IMO this is critical to the amount of work required on the ceiling.

3. when do you intend repairing / re-sheeting the walls. Kitchens I've seen installed were into spaces where the walls were fully intact. Fixing the walls will require disconnecting the power to the ensuite.

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1. & 2. The pelmet and cornice work is going to be replaced.
3. Not sure what you mean by having to disconnect power to the ensuite. The power will be isolated at the mains while electrical work is being carried out.

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Originally Posted by rob streeper

Another thought for this stage: Do you want more, relocated or different lumieres or electrical outlets? Under cabinet lights?

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There are sufficient power outlets already installed. Lighting is all good.

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Originally Posted by riverbuilder

One thing I always do at this stage John is replace all the plasterboard, do all the patching, it’s easier now rather than bending over the cabinets. And go around afterwards and seal up everywhere with no more gaps. This gives the cockroaches and other critters less places to come through the walls and in under and inside the cabinets. Pay particular attention to holes through the bottom plate, where wires or gas lines come through, this is a common spot for pest egress.

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I was going to plaster the walls after the cabinets were installed, but you have given me food for thought. I'll reassess my plan of attack after the kitchen arrives this morning.

Thank you all for the input so far, it has been greatly appreciated.
In past kitchen reno's I have always struggled with connecting the sink to the waste pipe. For some reason there never seems to be exactly the right combo of PVC fittings available. This time I think that I will purchase the fittings and locate the sink to suit. I can always buy a couple of different combo's and return what I don't use.

I believe that I will have to cut off the waste pipe below the sleeve to facilitate fitting the cupboard, then fit another sleeve and extend the waste pipe again.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

3. Not sure what you mean by having to disconnect power to the ensuite. The power will be isolated at the mains while electrical work is being carried out.

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isolating the power at the mains is what I meant

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

I was going to plaster the walls after the cabinets were installed, but you have given me food for thought. I'll reassess my plan of attack after the kitchen arrives this morning.

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RB is on the money.
Do the plaster work before the cabinets are installed, while access is easy.

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Originally Posted by riverbuilder

One thing I always do at this stage John is replace all the plasterboard, do all the patching, it’s easier now rather than bending over the cabinets. And go around afterwards and seal up everywhere with no more gaps. This gives the cockroaches and other critters less places to come through the walls and in under and inside the cabinets. Pay particular attention to holes through the bottom plate, where wires or gas lines come through, this is a common spot for pest egress.

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Call me paranoid/over cautious, but I just spent a small fortune getting other dodgy wiring that was done by the previous owner fixed. If we were ever to have a fire in the house the insurance company would use any non compliant issues to reject a claim, I don't want to give them any ammo.

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

Call me paranoid/over cautious, but I just spent a small fortune getting other dodgy wiring that was done by the previous owner fixed. If we were ever to have a fire in the house the insurance company would use any non compliant issues to reject a claim, I don't want to give them any ammo.

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I fail to see how closing pest entry points will give your insurance company any reason to reject a claim. If anything it’s lessening the likelihood of rodents getting in and chewing the cables, a major cause of electrical problems and cause of fires. Do what you like.

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Originally Posted by riverbuilder

I fail to see how closing pest entry points will give your insurance company any reason to reject a claim. If anything it’s lessening the likelihood of rodents getting in and chewing the cables, a major cause of electrical problems and cause of fires. Do what you like.

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Sorry RB, I quoted the wrong post.

I meant to quote this one

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Originally Posted by Bernmc

Aint nuttin' compliant about this house. Built, reno'd and re-reno'd since the sixties, there's a hodgepodge of construction and standards. And non-standards.

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Further to what RB said, apart from it being easier to do the plasterboard work now, it is also ideal and less work to have the sheet joins behind the carcasses rather than on the tiled area.
With your waste, cut it below carcass height and add new section of pipe at fit off stage, that is typical practice.
Also you might consider using the clear rather than blue or green plumbers solvent glue as it looks neater if exposed

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Originally Posted by riverbuilder

I fail to see how closing pest entry points will give your insurance company any reason to reject a claim. If anything it’s lessening the likelihood of rodents getting in and chewing the cables, a major cause of electrical problems and cause of fires. Do what you like.

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Originally Posted by Beardy

Further to what RB said, apart from it being easier to do the plasterboard work now, it is also ideal and less work to have the sheet joins behind the carcasses rather than on the tiled area.
With your waste, cut it below carcass height and add new section of pipe at fit off stage, that is typical practice.
Also you might consider using the clear rather than blue or green plumbers solvent glue as it looks neater if exposed

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This is correct, a lot of times I’ve found it easier and quicker to remove all the old plasterboard, clean and straighten the studs, let the electrician do his thing, and then throw two new full size sheets up, one horizontal joint and two internal corners, done and sealed.

with regard to the waste pipe, that is the plumbers problem to solve.

The kitchen turned up late this arvo. A quick setup to check where everything goes. Also decided to remove pelmet and cornice.

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Don't forget nail guards. Better safe than sorry.

I've been treading water (pun intended) for the last couple of days waiting on a plumber to come over and move the water outlets over to the right. Because the sink and dishwasher are going to be ~300mm to the right the water outlets are in the wrong position.
Also doing a dry run for the waste outlet using some scrap pieces of 50mm PVC.

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Grumpy if you have the height you can put a 90 bend at slab level and turn the waste pipe up closer to the sink. I like to try and bring the pipe up behind the sink waste so the the trap sits front to back more than side to side so it takes up less room in the cupboard shelf

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Originally Posted by Beardy

Grumpy if you have the height you can put a 90 bend at slab level and turn the waste pipe up closer to the sink. I like to try and bring the pipe up behind the sink waste so the the trap sits front to back more than side to side so it takes up less room in the cupboard shelf

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Thanks for the suggestion Beardy. I just asked the plumber (he's here now) and he said to put in a 90 deg bend and run the pipe under the kicker. The reason I was going to use the 2 45's was to allow the waste water to escape with less restriction.

Always better to get these things sorted before the glue goes on :D.

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

I've been treading water (pun intended) for the last couple of days waiting on a plumber to come over and move the water outlets over to the right. Because the sink and dishwasher are going to be ~300mm to the right the water outlets are in the wrong position.
Also doing a dry run for the waste outlet using some scrap pieces of 50mm PVC.

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I know I'm too late because the plumber has likely been and gone, but your plumbing is plastic pipe.
Why did you decide against using stainless steel armoured flexible connections to connect to the new location for the sink and dishwasher?

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Originally Posted by ian

I know I'm too late because the plumber has likely been and gone, but your plumbing is plastic pipe.
Why did you decide against using stainless steel armoured flexible connections to connect to the new location for the sink and dishwasher?

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Over here down under we use those to connect from the stop cock valve to the appliance, or the tap assembly, they’re not allowed to be used inside the wall.

I know one should never "assume" but ...
It looks to me as though the existing pipe terminations are the kitchen side of the gyprock, so fitting a stop cock and then using the armoured pipe to the tap / appliance would all be allowed.

or do I have it the wrong way first ??

The new plumbing looks so much neater than the original. No need for a separate hot water inlet for the dishwasher.

These images should show things a bit more clearly Ian.
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Wall oven cabinet fully fitted and oven connected. I still need to fit a back to the microwave section. The other cabinets are not fitted yet, just checking that things are square and good to secure. The wide cabinet is sitting out from the wall as I still have to drill a hole in the back to pass the gas line through.
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cant help but notice you've not lined the wall behind the sink cupboard with plasterboard, all the bugs in the district will come for a party,and with penetrations through the cabinet for plumbing,they have access to the inside. Yes I realise "Nobody will ever see it", it's just not good building practice.

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Originally Posted by riverbuilder

cant help but notice you've not lined the wall behind the sink cupboard with plasterboard, all the bugs in the district will come for a party,and with penetrations through the cabinet for plumbing,they have access to the inside. Yes I realise "Nobody will ever see it", it's just not good building practice.

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

The other cabinets are not fitted yet, just checking that things are square and good to secure.

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Final dry fitting of the base cabinets, just to make sure everything fits and the benchtops come together before everything gets screwed down.

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Originally Posted by riverbuilder

cant help but notice you've not lined the wall behind the sink cupboard with plasterboard, all the bugs in the district will come for a party,and with penetrations through the cabinet for plumbing,they have access to the inside. Yes I realise "Nobody will ever see it", it's just not good building practice.

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I have plastered behind the sink, those images were just for ians benefit.

Looking good John :2tsup:

The boss will be happy with that

I'm tossing up as to whether or not to tile the wall adjacent to the breakfast bar. There were tiles there before, I just don't know if their necessary or not.
Thoughts please.

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

I have plastered behind the sink, those images were just for ians benefit.

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

I'm tossing up as to whether or not to tile the wall adjacent to the breakfast bar. There were tiles there before, I just don't know if their necessary or not.
Thoughts please.

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You talking about this bit John?

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I would, tiles cover the edge of the bench and seal it as well.

I don’t think it would look quite right without the tiles as well.

I am feeling tiles there too

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Originally Posted by DJ’s Timber

You talking about this bit John?

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I would, tiles cover the edge of the bench and seal it as well.

I don’t think it would look quite right without the tiles as well.

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Yes DJ, that's the area I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Beardy

I am feeling tiles there too

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Thanks for the feedback gentlemen, I'll take it under advisement. SWMBO will have the final say you undestand :D.

Smart man, I would put the tiles on back to front if that is what she wants :D

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

SWMBO will have the final say you undestand :D.

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I’ve never had this problem fortunately :q :q :U

I'm in the process of fitting the overhead cupboards, just waiting on the rangehood to arrive so I can finish it off.

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I'm in the process of fitting the overhead cupboards

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John
Have you checked that the doors -- which aren't in line BTW -- do open fully?

Yes Ian, the doors open fully. Probably the last thing that I'll do is go around and give all the doors and drawers a final adjustment.