Censorship on this Forum

Maybe to illustrate one of Daddles points. I hope it is in context Richard, great contribution, apologies if I've mis-interpreted you.

Phrases make up part of our beautiful language. Consider 'a kick in the ***' beautifully expressive, rolls off the tongue, delivers a solid meaning, kick in the buttocks, bottom, behind, gluteous maximus - not the same.
"who gives a flying ***', a flying rut, episode of intimacy, coitus? No.

I agree that over use and brain dead repetitive use of these words is offensive and boring. Save them to make a point, to show passion, to shock etc.

As previously stated, read Shakespeare, greatest playwrite ever.

Another point I was making, was my dislike of filling in the words with *** to escape the axe. We all know what is meant, especially the kids. This seems so coy and childish, rather like curtains for piano legs. How about we go the Nixon route - expletive deleted. Expleded for short.

Expleded Hot Wax?

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Originally Posted by Bodgy

Another point I was making, was my dislike of filling in the words with *** to escape the axe. We all know what is meant, especially the kids. This seems so coy and childish, rather like curtains for piano legs.

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I agree with that point, it is childish and it is overdone. This puerile attempt to beat the swear filter is getting more and more annoying and if not checked will drive people away from this board.


As for the examples "a kick in the ***" and "who gives a flying ***" can easily be replaced with " a kick up the bum " and " who gives a damm " none of which would offend.


I support in his liberal attitude of enforcing the rules to make the board pleasant for all. This IMO is not censorship, for our ideas are not censored, but an enforcement of an acceptable standard of debate.


Peter.

Well said Peter.

I agree with Richard (daddles), to an extent.

My ol' gramps, a crusty ol' codger, could cuss up a blue streak. When things went wrong he could make a bullocky blush. But I can't say that I remember his ever using any four-letter words in his tirades, just plain english. I'm not saying he didn't use 'em, if he did they blended in with, and were concealed by, the content of what he was saying.

It seems to be a lost art nowadays; I blame hollywood. ;)

I tell a lie; he was never one for fancy words and he always called what went into the pan sh*t. It wasn't a word he used for swearing though; to him 'twas a simple noun. [shrug]

Maybe this forum is approaching the point in time where rough language will be on another password protected area to the general woodworking areas.

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Originally Posted by echnidna

Maybe this forum is approaching the point in time where rough language will be on another password protected area to the general woodworking areas.

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I for one would hate to see it go that way,it would be swearing for swearings sake

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Originally Posted by Grunt

Sorry,

The S Word = ****
The F word = ****
The C word = ****
The W word = ******

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Thanks for clearing that up Grunt . I understand now .

Poo

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Originally Posted by Sturdee

... This puerile attempt to beat the swear filter is getting more and more annoying and if not checked will drive people away from this board.


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I support in his liberal attitude of enforcing the rules to make the board pleasant for all. This IMO is not censorship, for our ideas are not censored, but an enforcement of an acceptable standard of debate.

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Peter

I tried to give you a greenie for this but I couldn't. However, let me say that I agree with you completely. I'm happy with the way applies the axe. He has chopped me a couple of times. I've never felt aggrieved about it.

Col

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Originally Posted by Driver

Peter

I tried to give you a greenie for this but I couldn't. However, let me say that I agree with you completely. I'm happy with the way applies the axe. He has chopped me a couple of times. I've never felt aggrieved about it.

Col

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Thanks Col,

At first I was going to refrain from commenting for I believe that and the other moderators, both Shane and Stuart, are very fair and evenhanded in their moderating.

They neither fear or favour anyone. If you exceed the limits they will moderate on your wording, and that IMO is not censoring, of your post.

BTW I believe that even Neil has had one of his posts mederated. :eek: So it can happen to anyone. :D


Peter.

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Originally Posted by Grunt

A search of The Age online (www.theage.com.au) has
The S word appearing in 552 times.
The F word appearing 26 times.
The W word appears 68 times.
The C word does not appear.

I'm not saying that these should be allowed but they do appear in Melbourne's broadsheet.

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i know the other words unfortunatly have worked with foster kids that would make ur hair curl at the age of 8 whp can tell u to go get reproduced and exactly how to do it .. which i think in this day and age ... but wat is the W one ....

we have a 14 yr old foster daughter who used to have every second word as a Wude one who in 3 mths has grown out of this stupidity .... so if we can re train her everyone else has a hope of growing out of the language as well have a lovely day im off to work ... at 6am cya jules

This is a very pleasant board to visit and I for one would like to see it that way. There is no need for swearing or other offensive behaviour .. plenty of that elsewhere on the net for those wishing to indulge.

My full support to the moderators.

Albert

Favourite Movie - has only one swearword - The Saint.
One of my most memorable moments with my Dad (who, by the way, doesn't swear) - Yep, the one time he swore and I've never forgotten the impact it had on me.

If my kids swore at me, they'd be blowing soap bubbles for a week.
I'm no angel, but I am careful and considerate of my language around others, including all of you, my fellow forum members.

The best example of what not to be like:
I have to listen to the neighbours over the backfence, swearing at their kids and each other *Every*Single*Day! *Every*Hour* they are home and not asleep. Let's just say every common swear word gets a workout in the same breath.

Anyway, I appreciate the forum without the swearwords. If they are actually needed, I prefer #@*&^$@*& instead.

Cheers
Wendy

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Originally Posted by rufflyrustic

Favourite Movie - has only one swearword - The Saint.
One of my most memorable moments with my Dad (who, by the way, doesn't swear) - Yep, the one time he swore and I've never forgotten the impact it had on me.

If my kids swore at me, they'd be blowing soap bubbles for a week.
I'm no angel, but I am careful and considerate of my language around others, including all of you, my fellow forum members.

The best example of what not to be like:
I have to listen to the neighbours over the backfence, swearing at their kids and each other *Every*Single*Day! *Every*Hour* they are home and not asleep. Let's just say every common swear word gets a workout in the same breath.

Anyway, I appreciate the forum without the swearwords. If they are actually needed, I prefer #@*&^$@*& instead.

Cheers
Wendy

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G'Day RR,
Hear!...Hear!...must agree, makes the place a little more pleasant the the eye and mind!..:)
savage.

I seem to be in the minority, one lonely voice in the wilderness. Graceful in defeat, I bow to the overwhelming verdict.

Can't help but note that there do seem to be a great number of logical inconsistencies in the rationale advanced by the conservative side (99.68% - the worm splatted against the ceiling and stayed there)

Anyway, as I said when I posed this question, I have gained far more, from the Forum, than I contribute, so not another word on this topic, 4 letters or not.

As said, 'like it or lump it'. I shall ******* lump it! (that's 7 letters).

before you go bodgy have a look at this peice of censorship


http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...250#post203250


this is a classic in the over censorship of the T word

I like Daddles' reply on the origins of "blue" language, even the time setting Norman V Saxon reminds me of the old Monty Python line "suppression of expression is repression, help help I'm being repressed"

I don't like swearing and can see no point of doing so.

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Originally Posted by doug the slug

before you go bodgy have a look at this peice of censorship


http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...250#post203250


this is a classic in the over censorship of the T word

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Love it Doug. I didn't even realise the T word was classed as an obscenity!

Regarding Daddles bit on the origins of the words and repression thereof, the moral majority held sway during the reign of Victoria, when most of Britain's Empire was gained and/or consolidated. Hence it's these ex colonies who get all tishy about these old words. Victoria married Albert, who was a Lutheran (pretty strict and prudish). Their son was an absolute drunken slob and a lecher, a great disappointment. It was probably a reaction to the boy which pushed Viccy, with Alberts encouragement to new heights of prudery and sexual denial.

I like the way the forum is at present. There is enough descriptive language around at present, without adding it to the forum.

I mean, when you hit your finger with the hammer, suffer from kickback, take too much wood off the cut, stuff up a perfectly good piece (you spent hours finding) of timber, trying to sand your fingerprints off, just seeing how sharp that blade really is.

Let's leave those words where they belong - in the shop :D

Cheers
Wayne

;) "Let's leave those words where they belong - in the shop"......
What are ya? Sums ortaflamin' idjut??? Use them sorta words inna shop and you are gunna get run outa town ya fowl mouthed idjut!!! That sorta lingo belongs in the SHED... or maybe in the back paddock when them old ewewes is playin' up or p'raps when yer fishin' and you hook the wrong mullet... ;)
"Shops" is where you go "Shopping" bonehead, them stupid, ugly (compared to ), world invading, hurricane loving, groundhog watchin' plonkers from Hamerica use the word all wrong all of the time and the poor pricks (OOPS!!) don't even know we are all laughin' at their crook spellig an gramma!

You forgot to mention "lumber" Chris!

I've got no problem with the censorship. Anyway, we have bugger all say in it, since we don't run the forum. Even if we decide here that it's all OK and swearing should be allowed, guess what? It wont change a thing ;)

My Grandfather never swore. Well, he used to say 'heck' sometimes. If he said 'bugger' you knew things were really bad. One night, his mother in law was sitting in the lounge room. She had this obsession with stoking the fire. Every few minutes she'd get up out of her chair and give it a prod with the poker. The old man was getting more and more agitated about it. Finally, enough was enough. He fixed her with a look and murmured "get to bed, woman...". He didn't need to swear to get his point across.

Here I am quickly onto this one :rolleyes: . I recon the forum is :cool: as it is. Keep it the way it is :D ;) :D

And for the moderators what a difficult, diligent, dedicated and often thankless job :)

Cheers

thankless my @rse, everyone on this forum is constantly praising them for the wonderful job they do!

Ok they do a crap job and they annoy me.

If they want to censor swear words so what??
The information sharied on this forum is extremely valuable and if the rules are that we can't swear, well, fair enough. It also helps us use english to properly express ourselves instead of just diving into the grab bag of expletives when making a point.

Personally i am no saint and will regularly indulge in the use of the magic words any old time but because i am prepared to watch my language in this place, I have the not inconsiderable resources at my disposal.

If you want to use bad language there are thousads of other foums on the web where you can say whatever you like. Why don't you go to them and have your vicarious pleasure.
I just dont get why it is a big deal to the OP.
my 2c worth

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Ok they do a crap job and they annoy me.

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Nooo.

You do a crap job and you annoy them.

Al :D

To Metaboman: No it borders on Politics. :D:D:D:D:D

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Nooo.

You do a crap job and you annoy them.

Al

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Damn, I've been found out.

Many of you have mentioned 'protecting' ladies from bad language. Isn't that presumptious and infers that the 'little lady' needs your protection and in some way is inferior? Try telling that to most women, particluarly those under 40! You'd come away bleeding.[/QUOTE]

well being one of the members who does not possess the "Y" chromosome I don't take offense if people use expletives but if my children are around then I'll step in and usually ask to tone it down or keep out the ripe fruit so to speak

I look at it this way if some one swears and they swear alot that's part of them their intrinsic make up
but as Kids are great mimics and don't understand the nature of the language they are using they will repeat those words.

I was rushing past this stupid printer stand with no shoes on in my computer room and I gave it a really good kick with my foot so hard that the second last toe on my left foot ended up at right angles to the foot

Needless to say both rug rats in the same room saw this and the only thing I yelled and believe me I yelled out was REFRIGERATOR LOL
hubby and I made a conscious substitution anytime we would normally swear but after no. 1 son was born we made an effort and its now become habit
so instead of saying a swear word we tend to say Refrigerator

works for us but I do agree kids if they read this forum shouldn't have to read those words
Cheers Bio

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Originally Posted by biotechy2k

....... and believe me I yelled out was REFRIGERATOR LOL
hubby and I made a conscious substitution anytime we would normally swear but after no. 1 son was born we made an effort and its now become habit
so instead of saying a swear word we tend to say Refrigerator

works for us but I do agree kids if they read this forum shouldn't have to read those words
Cheers Bio

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Well refrigerate me!!! what a refrigerating good idea!!!!!http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ons/icon10.gifhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ons/icon10.gifhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ons/icon10.gif

Cool :rolleyes:

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Well refrigerate me!!! what a refrigerating good idea!!!!!http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ons/icon10.gifhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ons/icon10.gifhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ons/icon10.gif

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ROTFLMAO Well when you put it like that it does sound a bit silly but now when I've stuffed up or dropped a tool I don't realise I've yelled it out I guess it makes me more likely to look like a flammin idiot LOL

But when I've stabbed myself in the hand with an awl and someone walks into the work area with their kiddy winkles it is not good for business to let one rip so I have had people ask why I use the word refrigerator and most of them agree and I'm not embarrased by a precocious child saying Daddy she said a Bad word LOL

But the old chap next door who does some serious metal work in his work room under his house (Has a tendency to stuff up quiet abit) if you can tell by the
Usually Lound clang crash and then followed by some incredible expletive,
is a bit embarassing when you have visitors sitting on the back deck and their kids are over, I tend to apologise for his words if they can hear them clearly

I don't think this forum is overly moderated it has a nice flow and some of you chaps have an excellent sense of humour which is great,

I would hate to be attacked for spelling which are usually typos as I type very fast on a keyboard and they are much more sensitve than the old manual typewritter I learnt on 30 yrs ago

In fact I try not to swear at my key board because it is so sensitive
Cheers Bio

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Originally Posted by biotechy2k

so instead of saying a swear word we tend to say Refrigerator

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Which then becomes a defacto swearword. :( Kind of defeats the purpose and is now another word to be put in the swear detector.

Instead of saying "refrigerator" a better way is to let your mind, and not your emotions, control your talking.


Peter.

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Originally Posted by rufflyrustic

One of my most memorable moments with my Dad (who, by the way, doesn't swear) - Yep, the one time he swore and I've never forgotten the impact it had on me.

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My dad favourite saying when things are against him "Damn rotten Sod of a thing." If you here him say this you know he is really tickd off. In 26 years I could count on two hands the number of times that he has used the s word and that is as bad as it gets (mind you if he is in the state of mind to use that word you want to get away damn quick:eek:). I believe that the levels of the use of swear words is unneccessary not so much here but in general day to day life. I personally try ti be careful with my language and I know that there is always another way to say something without swearing.

My dads was " Bugger me fat" , Never heard his say anything worse than that ,

Could express himself without needing to use swear words , always told me they were the tools of an ignorent man.

The trouble with life is there's no background music.



Russell

I think the most expletives I've heard are at the soccer pitch where my hubby coaches his team and well let me tell you it can get pretty ripe but if you swear at the ref you usually get a red card LOL
Cheers Bio

Can see why, lol. Having to watch soccer is enough to make anyone swear......

Get them into real football......

(OK Soccer lovers, fill in your complaints in the box below)

[QUOTE=bennylaird]Can see why, lol. Having to watch soccer is enough to make anyone swear......

Get them into real football......

LOL I guess the original football isn't everyones cup of tea but some of the words well they would make your hair curl
we have a chap on the team who works in obesity and diabetes research who is cheerfully named Dr. Bollocks because he comes from Yorkshire and every time something goes wrong on the Pitch he yells out Oh Bollocks

to which a little kid turned then and asked his dad in the stands
What's a bollocks LOL
cracked me up

but seems to me they even swear in the genteel sport of croquete so I guess you'll find it everywear I think the saddest thing I heard was a kid no more than five letting rip with the F word
while my kids were with me

I said If Your father and I hear that word come out of your mouths
be prepared to scrub out the toilet with a toothbrush for an entire year
so far the threat has worked LOL
Cheers Bio