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Now speaking theoretically, if they need my name to tie to an address etc for whatever reason, and I don't supply it, then theoretically they wouldn't know who to issue the fine to. However, if they know who to issue the fine to and where to send the fine. they didn't need the information in the first place:cool:
As I understand it, forms or logins are allocated to an address, not an individual. If the census is not completed for a given address, how do they decide who at that address to fine? Everyone? The head of the family - if so how is that legally defined? What about a shared house?Quote:
Originally Posted by ian
If no census data is received for a particular address, what if nobody was at home on the designated night?
It would be impossible to make a fine stick if anyone decided to contest it and had half a brain
Yes, I noticed the retired anomoly too. but then there is also another one for relationships.Quote:
Originally Posted by ian
My wife died 15 years ago, and I now am in a de facto relationship for nearly 13 years. As person 1 on the form I had no opportunity to identify as in a de facto relationship, only to say that I am widowed. That is not how I regard myself. I am in a de facto relationship as far as I am concerned. My de facto partner was able to identify as "In a De Facto relationship with Person 1, rather than as a divorcee, but poor old person 1 could not select a de facto option. I think it is extremely unfair that I could not acknowledge my current relationship status correctly on the form.
Cheers
Doug
Doug, why didn't you print to PDF?
If they decide to fine me (I think the might be a bit busy to trifle with such things to be frank) then I will go to court (assuming thy can set a date this decade with the backlog).
"Did you get a form from xxx address?"
"Yes"
"And was the person named as N.Ottelling?" (think about it)
"Yes"
"Well there you have it. Are you fining me for not filling it in, which I did, or for not providing my name, which you don't need?"
Form was submitted by person 5 not me (person 1) so I did not print anything. Person 5 has an Apple. no further explanation should be needed.:doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
But, if we ever need it we will need it in hard copy anyway. Saving it to pdf format on some hard drive somewhere does not guarantee that you can print it out when you need it.
Cheers
Doug
The moron who set up the questions could take a few lessons in diplomacy, as Doug said relationships, retired, etc. Not very enticing to do the right thing.
Amazing our PM was trying to find out "who to blame and who was responsible". The blame game.:aargh:
Hi Yanis,Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanis
That is not the case. There are well recognised safeguards which can be taken. Did they try some? Don't hold your breath for a confession here.
But..........could I do better? Not saying.
Cheers
Contracting company was IBM, who I gather are better at writing their contracts than their clients are at reading them.
This is the gospel right here. IBM are well known in the industry for underperforming and then pointing to their iron clad contracts for reasons why theyre not liable.Quote:
Originally Posted by q9
Finally able to log back in and complete. Luckily 3/4 was auto saved before site crashed.
Tried getting on site multiple times today but finally was successful. Not bad 95.5 hours after starting I finished. Longest survey ever!
As usual the ABC has a good take on this :D
TT
I haven't completed the online census yet - tried to on Tuesday but the site was down. I don't mind giving statistical (relatively general) information to the lying scumbag politicians and lying scumbag bureaucrats but they won't be getting my name and address and certainly not the name and address of my employer.
If they cross reference the answers for our family they will be scratching their peverbials trying to cross reference everything.
Try swoping your first and last names around, addresses......opps must be dyslexcic got that wrong.
I don't understand all the fuss about the names and addresses and your employer and location.
From memory these questions have been there all the time. The only new thing is that they want to retain your name and address for a longer period.
What annoys me is that they presume I wanted to do this online, and thus have to upgrade my computer, just so that more data entry people can be sacked and made unemployed.
Hence I submitted my census in a paper form.
Peter.
Two tries would be my "fed up" point. If they want the info then they can at least have the good grace to make it reasonably easy to give it to them rather than expecting we'll spend half the month trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by harry wall
This doesn't sound good for online election voting.....
Simple Peter - they can't be trusted not to let the data escape (with an online form...and maybe even paper). Identity theft is a big concern. I shred EVERYTHING that has my name/address on it, or even the name of the sender if they are friends. ID thieves don't need much info to get going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sturdee
They simply don't need to know my name, only my location (as opposed to address) to make the data 100% useful. My name isn't required on an election ballot form, and I see no difference whatsoever.
True, but you are marked of from the electoral roll which shows your full name and full address.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
This electoral roll is available for anyone to peruse at the Electoral office at any time as in my working life this was one of the tools we used to track delinquent borrowers. :U
Peter.
Not true in all cases. You can be enrolled as a "Silent Voter".Quote:
Originally Posted by Sturdee
Cheers
Doug
Hi PeterQuote:
Originally Posted by Sturdee
the fuss is what ABS plan to do with your personal information this time. In the past personal information was retained only long enough to check for duplication -- this time the plan is to link it to all other sources of Government data. Four years is long enough for the current fuss to die down before doing the linking.
Also true, but that data (my vote - should I make one) isn't linked to it, unlike the Census form. Of course the Govt already knows who I am and where I live, but they don't particularly know how or what I think, and I like it that way. They can track what I spend my money on if they want to, and they can track more or less where I go (if I use trains, where I fill up with petrol and how often). I don't see the need for them to have as much data linked to me as they'd like, just for the sake of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sturdee
Some might say I'm para, others might say I'm cautious with potentially good reason.
Quote:
Originally Posted by woodPixel
How do you know?
Hugh, push your sarcasm detection button.
I Don't know, just look at other colonies that have been De-colonized or dumped.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexS
DAMHIK
5 weeks on from failure night and the ABS website is still prominently displaying
https://www.woodworkforums.com/attach...8&d=1474354673
I wonder how many people are yet to take advantage of "there's still time ..."
I think you have until Sep 23rd to complete census on line.
Have a look at the site in a few days to see if its changed.
Interesting article on the "privacy" of census data in various places
The dark side of census collections - Rear Vision - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Its all a matter of trust .........and I don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Shed
TT
Trust me, I work for the government.
Yep, right up there with the used car salesmen, real estate agents, banks, lawyers and insurance companies.
I love that warm fuzzy feeling.