This takes the cake

Sturdee, the problem is Indonesia isn't a signatory to the refugee convention, we are. So yes I am afraid that they are LEGAL asylum seekers.

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I do have something against spending that money. Why have them at all when they can't even protect our borders against the invasions organised by the Indonesian people smugglers. :((

To stop that and take back our sovereignty I will vote for Abbot and his team.


Peter.

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Yeah Pete, I kinda got off topic there a little bit, & short of shooting them, which I am not suggesting, there is little the military can do.

You are absolutly correct about them passing through other countries though, & I also agree with with you about queue jumpers.

Hats off to your folks for going about it the right way mate, this is what I believe we all want these people to do.

Steve

Iam willing to start a pole about how soon it will be before Turnbull makes a shot at leadership.

My 2 bobs worth The Libs know he will make a hard and decent leader willing to take on all comers but they also know that us (well some of a working party persuasion) would crucify the Libs come election, so,... Mr Abbott comes in, there are no unhappy people (On the surface) in the party, have a fantastic swing to them then 12-18 months later Mr Turnbull will quietly take over.

Money is on the table. Ive got this going several other diverse forums as well. But I do not and will not belong to a party.

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Iam willing to start a pole about how soon it will be before Turnbull makes a shot at leadership.

My 2 bobs worth The Libs know he will make a hard and decent leader willing to take on all comers but they also know that us (well some of a working party persuasion) would crucify the Libs come election, so,... Mr Abbott comes in, there are no unhappy people (On the surface) in the party, have a fantastic swing to them then 12-18 months later Mr Turnbull will quietly take over.

Money is on the table. Ive got this going several other diverse forums as well. But I do not and will not belong to a party.

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Tony

I think you've made a good observation. Perhaps not a question of if Turnbull gets in, but when. Having said that, what do you think would be the pretext, always supposing the Libs get up at the election. Different if Abbott loses the unloseable election of course.

Regards
Paul

HI ALL
Here is my "2 bob's" worth, As reported on local radio here about 4 months ago Australia can only afford around 160.000 migrants per year but at the time of the interview 240.000 migrants had landed [ not sure how many illegals in that figure], I don't know how these extra's are being paid for but I suspect it's borrowed, in the last 6 years we have borrowed 300 billion [admitted too] which I doubt if we can pay the interest on.

20% to 25% India's civilian income [sorry I forget the correct name] comes from ex-pat's living oversea's and sending money back home, If this happens with our immigrants it would be disasterous for Australia's economy as we already have those fabulous 457 visa's.

The late mail when Kevin07 won power was he would not see out the term [how right were they] I can see the same happening to Abbott.

If I was given the job to stop the illegal's, firstly there would be no family reunion and then withdraw finance from the country of departure till they make the effort and tell the U.N. to go and get ****.

Sorry about the punctuation I usually talk in mono-syllable's so this is a stretch for me.

Cheers

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If I was given the job to stop the illegal's, firstly there would be no family reunion and then withdraw finance from the country of departure till they make the effort and tell the U.N. to go and get ****.

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That's essentially my way as well.

No aid for any country that would not cooperate with stopping this illegal traffic.

Further if that fails stop our citizens from visiting that country on pains of withdrawing citizenship rights and make them stateless, similar to what we did to those that visited North Vietnam during the Vietnamese war.


For those that are already here only give them temporary protection visas, no rights to citizenship, no family reunions and if they leave no return visas. Also ban the right to repatriate money to their home countries.


Only rescue those within our recognised sphere of rescue and not enter Indonesian's sphere.


That may be drastic but will be effective. Remember the Indonesian people smugglers, with the tacit approval of that country's corrupt officials, are at war with us and we should do all that we can to retain sovereignty.


Peter.

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HI ALL
Here is my "2 bob's" worth, As reported on local radio here about 4 months ago Australia can only afford around 160.000 migrants per year but at the time of the interview 240.000 migrants had landed [ not sure how many illegals in that figure],

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About 6000.
It's been about 4-6000 for a decade.
And about 2-4000 the decade before that.

It isn't a problem. It's a few percent of our immigrants.

Only politicians standing on their soapboxes scaring the cr@p out of people who don't know any better make it a problem. And the pollies only do that to keep people from asking how we could _actually_ make this a better country.
For everyone.
Including the _pathetically small_ numbers of reffos we get here.

I, like others here, despair of the leaders of both main parties. They _know_ this is a bull$..t issue, but are in there trying to outdo each other because it's easier to demonise a few voiceless unfortunates than do something substantive on any other issue.:((

SWK

PS, they aren't "illegals". That's another bull...t word thought up by the spin doctors to pull people's strings. Just like the concept of "queue jumpers" (there is no queue, never was).
And it works.

Scot might be a harsh critic of Tony Abbott, but apparrently Tony likes Scott...

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Sure. Firstly, Tony Abbott (the wall puncher):

On immigration:

• ‘Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.’
  
• ‘These people aren’t so much seeking asylum, they’re seeking permanent residency. If they were happy with temporary protection visas, then they might be able to argue better that they were asylum seekers’

On rights at work:

• ‘If we’re honest, most of us would accept that a bad boss is a little bit like a bad father or a bad husband … you find that he tends to do more good than harm. He might be a bad boss but at least he’s employing someone while he is in fact a boss.’

On women:

• ‘The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.’
  
• ‘I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’
  
• ‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’ ‘What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up, every year…’

On Julia Gillard:

• ‘Gillard won’t lie down and die’

On climate change:

• ‘Climate change is absolute crap’
  
• ‘If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.’

On homosexuality:

• ‘I’d probably … I feel a bit threatened’
  
• ‘If you’d asked me for advice I would have said to have – adopt a sort of “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy about all of these things…’

On Indigenous Australia:

• ‘Now, I know that there are some Aboriginal people who aren’t happy with Australia Day. For them it remains Invasion Day. I think a better view is the view of Noel Pearson, who has said that Aboriginal people have much to celebrate in this country’s British Heritage’
  
• ‘Western civilisation came to this country in 1788 and I’m proud of that…’
  
• ‘There may not be a great job for them but whatever there is, they just have to do it, and if it’s picking up rubbish around the community, it just has to be done’

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Meanwhile, in my blankie fort, we are watching reruns of "The Empire Strikes Back" and will reemerge in late September. Better lay in some more beer and chips.

Mate I agree with you 1000% My parent's came here after the second War my Dad was from Poland my Mum was from White Russia They had Women's Weeklies and a German English dictionary by the time they got off the boat in Ozz they had basic English my Mum spoke seven Languages Dad spoke five they must really have loved one another because this bundle of trial and tribulations arrived twelve months later first order of business NATURALISATION my parent's worked like slaves and made lifelong friends my Mother stopped work when my brothers and sisters started to arrive Dad worked two job's for most of his life never heard him complain once never had a sick day never on the dole my parent's weren't special there were thousand's of families like us yes we were new Australians but we were and are 100% Australian I get asked how Australia compares to Germany are you kidding I don't even remember what a nappy feels like Crikey Stone the Crows hand's off me bowl of fruit before this turns into a novel I just want to say I love a sunburned country a land of rolling plains cheers George

Got'a love ole Clive so much B#@@ to the square inch

Hi George, when was it that they came here, I arrived here in '53, '19 not '18 that is.
Kryn