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Fair point. It was a subjective statement, as is this debate.
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Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers
Fair point. It was a subjective statement, as is this debate.
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First, I'm really sick at the moment, but I'm still going to post :)
Second this is probably going to take this further off topic and afield. Apologies in advance, but hopefully you'll see why I feel I should comment.
One of the great rules of life is you reap what you sow.
I often bang on about politicians being a symptom of a disengaged and unsophistocated electorate. People rail against them because they are on show, but they aren't the root of the problem, if people really could be bothered they would vote for better representatives.
Some decades back clever clever people changed the marraige rules and now we have that awful family law system. Result ? and man with half a brain thinks twice before exposing himself emotionally or financially to any woman.
(wait for it, the point is getting closer now...)
Over the we have become increasingly litigious and far less grateful. I recall having dinner with a bunch of doctors a few years back and the whole nights conversation was insurance premiums, litigation, overheads. The reality is we engineers make far more money after costs than most "normal" doctors (by that I mean all areas of the profession, but not those who've gone into the business side in a big way). They work longer hours, and frankly if I had to deal with the clinet/staff/regulation issues they face there would be a massacre within hours.
Dentistry is worse. Engineering has the highest suicide rate while studying of any profession, but I believe dentistry is top or close in practice. I'm told they link it to inflicting pain on people day in day out (and that's just the bill..boom boom).
It gets talked about a lot, but it bears repeating.
A very great many people in western society and particularly here expect everything to go their way, and for someone else to pay if it doesn't. I'd been bending people's ears about the brisbane floods for the last 15 years and the number of times they'd just look at me like an alien.. then when it all goes pear shaped they whinge. I tell them about my experiences with insurance companies, she'll be right. No cover, whinge...
I was born in north queensland. Home Hill floods about every 15 years. People just get on with it. I grew up in the western suburbs of sydney, and when I was young the georges river would come up about every 6, same houses flooded every time. They chucked out the damaged stuff, brushed themselves off and got on with it.
The media would have us believe Australia is a better place than it was in the 70's. That isn't my memory. I recall a time when nearly anyone who wanted a job had one, when one could have a decent standard of living on a labourers wages, and when it was quite common to find a millionaire and a cleaner standing side by side burning sausages together on a saturday arvo. for one would trade the skinnychinolatte foccacia and biscotti for a bit of those times back again.
Anyway the point is, don't believe what anyone tells you. Read your contracts, research your purchases, and only part with your hard earned when your sure. Your an adult, take responsibility.
Better climb down off my soapbox, air is thin up here :)
Damian, you're right in many ways about the equality of people back then. I remember one bloke at a place I worked. The boss had asked him for references and he said, "you can have them when you give me references from three blokes who have worked for you". The boss laughed and took him on. He was a good worker by the way.
I know things are different but these days things like resumés seem more important than the people behind them.
Cheers,
Jim
Most of the family Law was drafted by Justice Elizabeth Evatt so what chance do you have?:((
At the end of the day we only get to vote for those whom the parties put forward, which is why we got a plethora of independents elected this time around.:-Quote:
Originally Posted by damian
You're darn right about that, those times will never be repeated in a 1st world country, until the 3rd world countries have caught up.Quote:
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Now the Japanese banks are starting on us:(
W're getting right off track here fellas.!
Really? !Quote:
Originally Posted by artme
What gave it away ?
Agree wholeheartedly:2tsup::2tsup:Quote:
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See what you started Arthur :)Quote:
Originally Posted by artme
I wasn't referring to party vs independant, I was refering to the quality of the candidates. People vote for the leaders, very few bother to really look at the local candidate whether ind or party sponsored. That, IMO, is the essence of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Tenon
See "Yes Minsiter, local government"
Or until we reverse "free trade" and globalisation. Again those with a voice want to convince us we're better off. We've traded australian manufacturing for houses full of chinese junk. Even a surprising amount of our food is now imported. I reckon if they could figure a way to import minerals before selling them off they'd be doing that aswell...Quote:
You're darn right about that, those times will never be repeated in a 1st world country, until the 3rd world countries have caught up.
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anyway, I should just shut up...
So was I damian, we are becoming more presidential in our electoral system. When I realised that only a small amount of people in each party branch vote for the candidate that is put forward to the electorate, I was dismayed and have often voted for the independent. Often an electorate will have a party room hack foisted onto it.Quote:
Originally Posted by damian
Sadly I think it is too late to shut the gate now. We should as a country be finding ways of turning our minerals and ore into the finished product and selling that to the world.Quote:
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Hijacked again. Now a waste of opening this thread. :((
Peter.
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Apologies if I have offended any one Peter. It seem that this thread had reached its logical conclusion and morphed onto something else.
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I personally think this one is done and dusted.