Thou Shalt Not Steal

Im not sure why you would want to kill a koala, they taste crap.

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Originally Posted by Rocker

Is it wrong to kill bilbies and koalas, but OK to kill termites and mosquitoes?
Rocker

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I'd change that to white ants:D

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Eastie

Im not sure why you would want to kill a koala, they taste crap.

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It's just the way they look at you out the corner of their eye. I don't trust the buggers.

Yes, I favour a utilitarian approach to things in general - whatever does the greatest good for the greatest number of people. Unfortunately it's unpleasant to be on the wrong side of a utilitarian decision. I would not like to be a hostage in Iraq for instance.

Its the nature of the Human Beast, to feather ones own nest. If there is no strong policeman the rules get bent/buckled/fettled and broken to suit ones needs. It happens, and sometimes for the better good. Laws need to be upgraded from time to time, its called evolution ...no maybe thats going to far.

Or the rules can just stay static. Some religious organisations have grabbed a hold of their internal problems, kicked aside a traditional veil of silence and got on with it. Others are still being dragged, kicking and screaming into the 21 st century. Not a religious debate just an example of what the true topic of this thread is about.

Anyway, where was I. Thou shalt not kill Koalas???. I sorry but if I step out the back door and squash an ant well...All living things make an impact, like the bugs on your windshield....wheres this going...Oh bugger.

Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't - you are right. Henry Ford


Cheers

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Originally Posted by craigb

Well the sad fact of the matter is that breeds .

The fact that you were brought up properly by responsible people meant you didn't need to have it drummed into you. You knew what was acceptable and what wasn't. Quite possibly you may have even copped an occasional hiding for transgressing, which you probably deserved.

To go back to your biblical thing, you were pretty much taught to "do unto others"

Because of this background you are going to teach your own childdren the same or similar values, although I doubt that kids cop a hiding these days beacuse it's gone out of fashion, maybe rightly so.

However, the opposite is also true. Have the misfortune to be born into a family of scumbags and it's London to a brick that you'll turn out to be a scumbag yourself.

So I guess I'm saying it's nurture not nature thats the overriding influence on what sort of person you turn out to be.

Just my opinion of course.

Craig

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Well said and I agree....:)

Have written a reply so many times, but I keep going off onto religion and it makes me mad, so I agree'd with craig, cause he said what I was thinking in a nice way....:p

but my last words are


without religion the world would be a happier place...
It's in the bible, that religion will die... jehova's read it to me cause they agree'd with me when they came knocking on my door...

see off I go ....

LOL

BUt religion offers moral standards that politics fail to deliver..........
and I'm not a God botherer.

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Originally Posted by craigb

To go back to your biblical thing, you were pretty much taught to "do unto others"

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Gemi had me going back and re-reading Craig's post, and of course if he hadn't been asleep in Sunday School, would have continued on with the quote above, it would have read:

"Do unto others, AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU which if we all did, would probably put an end to this thread!

Cheers,

P (Fortunate to have been born a nice person, but strays occasionally!)
:D :D :D

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Originally Posted by bitingmidge

which if we all did, would probably put an end to this thread!
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:eek: :eek: Gads, Pete the budding administrator.

Fair is foul and foul is fair:

Hover through the fog and filthy air.

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Originally Posted by bitingmidge

Gemi had me going back and re-reading Craig's post, and of course if he hadn't been asleep in Sunday School, would have continued on with the quote above, it would have read:

"Do unto others, AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU which if we all did, would probably put an end to this thread!

Cheers,

P (Fortunate to have been born a nice person, but strays occasionally!)
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Midge,

That bit was implied ;)

I used to jig Sunday school.

Craig (The heathen)

I vote for the Ten Comandments.

The world would be a much better place if they were adheard to.


Ben.

Out of curiosity, how many people actually know what they are?

Yesir, this is them.


Exodus 20: (front of the bible)

1. And God spoke all these words, saying:
2. "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3. "You shall have no other gods before Me.
4. "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
5. you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6. but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7. "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9. Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10. but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
11. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12. "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
13. "You shall not murder.
14. "You shall not commit adultery.
15. "You shall not steal.
16. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17. "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."


No. 15 "You shall not steal" seems pretty clear to me.

Ben.

So if we taught them in schools, how would a Hindu kid get on with number 3? (actually number 1 - what's with the numbering there?)

BTW this is only one version of them - and a fairly modern one by the look. There are 3 others that I have seen.

I though it may have been the ten comandments in Hex but there are too many. :D

Was the bit about the donkey really necassary:rolleyes:

Cheers

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Was the bit about the donkey really necassary

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Squizzy, Is there something we should know? :eek:

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Originally Posted by silentC

So if we taught them in schools, how would a Hindu kid get on with number 3? (actually number 1 - what's with the numbering there?)

BTW this is only one version of them - and a fairly modern one by the look. There are 3 others that I have seen.

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The numbering are the verses, so that passage would be Exodus Chapter 20 verses 1 - 17. So commandment #1 is verse 3. [NB. The original texts did not have this numbering but are put in for ease of reference]

There are a range of different versions/translations of the bible and each try to strike a balance between readability for todays reader and faithfulness to the original text. Problem is that some versions simplify the text so much that they (intentionally or unintentionally) distort the original text/concepts to a point where they are heresy.

The Hindu kid or adult or anyone who reads them is faced with a personal decision - their response is to either accept it as a truth or reject it.

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Originally Posted by himzol

Squizzy, Is there something we should know? :eek:

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There's lots of things better off not known:D but that would be another thread about rights of disclosure/privacy an big brother stuff.

And there aint one wat sez "thou shalt not think things" :D :D

I'll leave that up to your imagination. :eek:

I just wonder if there was an issue with coveting thy neighbours donkey in days gone by.:) The mind boggles.

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The Hindu kid or adult or anyone who reads them is faced with a personal decision - their response is to either accept it as a truth or reject it.

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Rather than truth what about as a good guideline for living your life. From my travels and limited theological knowledge it seems that there is many common thread through the three major religions. It may be presented in a different fashion but nonetheless there are core commonalities and "Thy shalt not kill" is one of them, the Koran and Budhism having various strings or further guidance attached. Haven't read anything about Koala's though.


Cheers

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Rather than truth what about as a good guideline for living your life

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This is what I'm getting at. Do we need something to tell us what is right or wrong and if we do, is it possible to phrase it in such a way that it allows for all the different belief systems and cultures without making some of them (or all of them but one) look morally inadequate?

With the barbarous activities that go on in some parts of the world a sound moral code is essential , so yes we do need the 10 commandments or coiunterparts in whatever form or religion that is relevant.

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Originally Posted by Ben from Vic.

Yesir, this is them.


Exodus 20: (front of the bible)

1. And God spoke all these words, saying:
2. "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3. "You shall have no other gods before Me.
4. "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
5. you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6. but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7. "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9. Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10. but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
11. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12. "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
13. "You shall not murder.
14. "You shall not commit adultery.
15. "You shall not steal.
16. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17. "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."


No. 15 "You shall not steal" seems pretty clear to me.

Ben.

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Geez, sounds like your god needs to lighten up.
And he was a Sepo, as neighbour is spelt the Sepo way.

Al :)

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Originally Posted by ozwinner

Geez, sounds like your God needs to lighten up.
And he was a Sepo, as neighbour is spelt the Sepo way.

Al :)

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:)

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Originally Posted by vsquizz

Was the bit about the donkey really necassary:rolleyes:

Cheers

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That was old school, we'd have to update it with
"thou shalt not covet...or his 12'' sliding table saw with scribing blade and full dust extraction system and suva guard" :D :D :D
donkeys are so last year. Really!

There's an Ox mentioned in there too. :eek: :eek: :D

Cheers

Probably needs replacing with some sort of cordless screw driver!