Concrete Driveway - Sealing

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Originally Posted by patty

Now that i have seen the pictures it does look as though he has used a broom maybe with a light coat or dried residue of cement on the bottom of the bristles or maybe even the broom being too wet when finishing and it has taken that section of colour away on brooming it off...

Mate if he has offered to apply the seal coat let him go ahead and do it ask him does he think it will hide the imperfection in the slab before e applies it just to get an answer? And if it does not ask him how he is going to fix it throw it back on him!

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Roger that!

The funny thing is that these lines were done after the concretor had broomed finished more than half the driveway. He started on the left side and it wasn't until he got to the right side that the lines appeared. I would have thought that any residue would have come off first.
The amount of comments I have had here does convience me that I am not just a picky bastard and that everybody here thinks that the work is not up to scratch. It is clearly something to do with the finishing off and not the actual concrete or oxide so I will be taking the advice of you all and 'put it back on the concretor'.

I did project manage the job myself in as far as I organised the excavation, delivery of the concrete and mesh. I would think that would have no bearing in the fact that the concretor made a mistake.

I would still like to find out what the cause was and so I did phone Boral (the concrete supplier) , emailed them the photo's and they could not tell me what has happend and I also phoned CCS, the people that supplied Boral with the oxide and they are sending a rep around to check it out.

I'll post up the outcome.

Thanks for all your help guys

Hi

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The oxide was not put on top after the pour, it was put in the mix at the concrete plant and was mixed in on the 20min drive to site. Apparently 20mins is more then enough to mix in the oxide.

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If THAT IS the case, then you should have colour ALL THE WAY THROUGH! Therefore you SHOULD have been able to clean off the light colour if it WAS something from the concretors broom.

However IF this was the case then the concretor SHOULD HAVE SEEN the light colour he "created" and as I said before he should have been able to fix it ON THE SPOT!

Can you be REALLY SURE that there was no application of oxide on the top surface?

If the broom did have some light cement/concrete on it, then WHERE did that LIGHT colour come from if the concrete was PREMIXED all the way through with the chosen colour? There is something not right here!

Anyway, if it is (though I think it unlikely) light coloured cement from the broom then it should wear away over time, or perhaps with a little assistance - though (based on the images) I don't see that happening.

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Originally Posted by MrFixIt

If THAT IS the case, then you should have colour ALL THE WAY THROUGH! Therefore you SHOULD have been able to clean off the light colour if it WAS something from the concretors broom.

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Agree, but as I said when I tried cleaning it off the concrete came off and exposed the aggregate. It'd be nice to be able to get the marks off without the aggregate being exposed.

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Originally Posted by MrFixIt

However IF this was the case then the concretor SHOULD HAVE SEEN the light colour he "created" and as I said before he should have been able to fix it ON THE SPOT!

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Agreed. I was there and I didnt see much of a mark when the broom finish was applied, it didnt really start to show up until it dried a bit but you would have thought with his '40 years experience' in the game he would have noticed any slight imperfections.

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Originally Posted by MrFixIt

Can you be REALLY SURE that there was no application of oxide on the top surface?

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Yep I can be. I was helping them shovel the concrete around when the truck was there. There was no oxide on site whatsoever except the stuff already in the mix.

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Originally Posted by MrFixIt

If the broom did have some light cement/concrete on it, then WHERE did that LIGHT colour come from if the concrete was PREMIXED all the way through with the chosen colour? There is something not right here!

Anyway, if it is (though I think it unlikely) light coloured cement from the broom then it should wear away over time, or perhaps with a little assistance - though (based on the images) I don't see that happening.

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There is something not right here.......mmmm..... right again!
The immediate area surrounding the drive is nothing but mud, no concrete, no sand, no white coloured stuff, just water and dirt nothing for the broom to be covered in.

I'm starting to think that the mix might not have been mixed thru enough and the mark is a small amount of grey concrete that has been smeared along. I'll wait and see what the CCS guy says.

Thanks again for you help

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Originally Posted by Tubby2

I'm starting to think that the mix might not have been mixed thru enough and the mark is a small amount of grey concrete that has been smeared along. I'll wait and see what the CCS guy says.

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That's what I thought yesterday. I rang my brother, a construction manager for a Perth Building Co. He said the only thing that he thought it could be was a "gluggy" mix, ie a little to dry and therefore the colour in the mix was NOT competely through the concrete.

Pesonally, if it was me, I would have SOMEBODY take responsibility for this. Either the concrete co for not getting the mix right, OR the concretor for not noticing/fixing the problem THERE AND THEN.

You would think that a 40years experience guy would SEE this colour problem at the time. It could have been rectified (or at least improved) if the concrete was still "wet" enough to mix with a shovel and re-screed.

My guess is though, that the mix has "gone off" too quick to fix it.

I don't see why YOU should be "lumbered" with the job of fixing it!

This...

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I have spoken to a couple of people about this. The original concretor offers no explaination for it and just says to colour seal it and it will be fine

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from the concretor is a sign of a problem! Why on earth should you PAY for coloured concrete THEN have to BUY COLOURED sealer.

I would contact the concrete supply co and have them check the job. Advise them that it requires REPLACING at THEIR COST or as an alternative, they refund you ALL the money you paid out for the concrete (and probably the labour or a portion of it) and THEN you could buy the coloured sealer.

Don't forget, "the squeaky wheel get the grease" so make a lot of noise about this until you get a result :2tsup:

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Originally Posted by MrFixIt

That's what I thought yesterday. I rang my brother, a construction manager for a Perth Building Co. He said the only thing that he thought it could be was a "gluggy" mix, ie a little to dry and therefore the colour in the mix was NOT competely through the concrete.

Pesonally, if it was me, I would have SOMEBODY take responsibility for this. Either the concrete co for not getting the mix right, OR the concretor for not noticing/fixing the problem THERE AND THEN.

You would think that a 40years experience guy would SEE this colour problem at the time. It could have been rectified (or at least improved) if the concrete was still "wet" enough to mix with a shovel and re-screed.

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I would think the blame lies with the suppier not the concretor but agree with Bleedin Thumb that most suppliers will not accept liability for concrete that has had colour put in it.

In all fairness I do not believe you can blame the concretor for this unless he has been the one that has caused the contamination. Concrete always changes colour as it dries and it would have been very easy to overlook this as colour change due to drying.

By all means be the squeaky wheel but as someone who has sat in front of the small claims tribunal with an unhappy client, take it from me that it needs to be black and white for you to win and pardon the pun but that looks and sounds very grey:wink:

Well after a few site meetings the general concensus is that the concretor has broomed the concrete too early. Apparently this is why the white lines appear.
I had the rep and the manager from CCS (Colour Concreting Systems) out, these are the people that supplied Boral with the coloured oxide.
So I'll be ringing the concretor to see what he is willing to do about. Apparently to colour match the sealer will cost about $350.

So moral of the story, If you get a dark oxide concrete make sure the concretor knows what he is doing.

The manager from CCS actually knew the concretor that did my job and said he's been doing it for that long he should have known better.

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Originally Posted by Tubby2

general concensus

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Not till you get the consensus of the concreter.
Sounds like the beginnings of a 'pass the buck' episode to me. :-

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Originally Posted by Tubby2

Well after a few site meetings the general concensus is that the concretor has broomed the concrete too early. Apparently this is why the white lines appear.
I had the rep and the manager from CCS (Colour Concreting Systems) out, these are the people that supplied Boral with the coloured oxide.
So I'll be ringing the concretor to see what he is willing to do about. Apparently to colour match the sealer will cost about $350.

So moral of the story, If you get a dark oxide concrete make sure the concretor knows what he is doing.

The manager from CCS actually knew the concretor that did my job and said he's been doing it for that long he should have known better.

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I would be getting that in writing from the CSS people, if they are not prepared to put it in writing then it is worth nothing, and the concretor will just throw the blame back at the supplier...