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This is a gross overreaction by a frightened population. The terrorism fears whipped up by the media have helped to build the pressure to this point. Does anyone really believe that the lifeguards getting bashed caused this? It may have triggered it, but the media caused it, and now they're going to feed off it for months.
Sydney, no - all Australians, should be ashamed of themselves.
It's a little naive to blame the media.
Social integration is not occurring, the causes are many, but religion precepts are a main factor, as 'certain religons' prohibit intermarriage, which over a few generations in the past has generally solved the problems of most new immigrants.
The first generation is generally a write off as they pine for what they have lost. The second can blend if they try and the third generation generally doesn't understand what all the fuss is about.
But when you have any religion stopping all generations from blending with the general populace, fostering social groups that are prohibited from mixing, you create ghettos and the problems that arise from these.
And so we reap what we sow.
Greg
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Integration through marraige
Or to view it at its illogical misrepresentaion:Quote:
...therefore social integration is greatly restricted, leading to the devlopment of a separate non-integrated society.
"come in, we are enlightened enough to not worry about the colour of your skin, but we'll breed your culture out of you."
Or, "here's your visa, now hand over your women."
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An enlightened viewpoint that would sit well with any bearded patriarch.
Mate, I think that a quick way to achieve your integration is to start to include some of "whatever group you want to integrate" into your social circle.
Who knows, you just might find that they are normal human beings like the rest of us, muddling along trying to find a way.
The easier option, of course, is to insulate yourself, wrap up in some us/them fears, and chuck another deadlock on the door. I think that is called zenophobia?
An overreaction to the post I know, but try looking at it from the "outside looking in", or in other words - are you telling me my culture needs breeding out in order for my kids to belong here?
I'm flabbergasted by that post. Do you really think the solution to the problem is to marry all the little brown boys off to all the little white girls? That sounds awfully reminiscent of a certain policy of a previous government in this country. Breed them out of existence, eh?
There is nothing religious about a car load of lads from Bankstown heading over to Cronulla for a bit of fun. It's gang behaviour through and through.
There were something like 5000 people at Cronulla yesterday. Do you really think they were all there because of an SMS message?
We should all be proud of our heritage, but that doesn't mean that we should be proud of the tribal nature of our history, or force our children to bow to the rules of the culture that reflects the often false memories of our own history.
Greg
OK, I don't agree with the idea that people should be prevented from marrying someone of a different religion if they want to. Also there are plenty of traditions that we hang on to with all hell to pay if anyone challenges them.
But what is the ultimate goal of 'integration'? It is to wipe out the other culture - basically a form of genocide.
I still don't think any of this has much to do with what happened yesterday.
Human beings are evil and we hate each others. We use whatever is easy for us to insult and hurt each others.
White man says “You bloody Asian” and Asian says “You bloody racist”. There is no difference. How convenience!
Lets face it, it has nothing to do with race, religion or whatsoever. We just love to use them as an excuse.
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The most unfortunate?
Why is that Zed, did you expect more from those carrying the white-skin genes?
Sad.
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Read what I wrote Clinton1...!! to clarify I said all rednecks (etc) are wankers...
To answer your question ; No, No I dont expect more... are you trying to pick a fight ??
Greg, have a look at the blatant lies being told by the media, the selective reporting, the images carefully cropped and the images used out of context, then tell me again it is a little "naive".Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Ward
The integration talk is rubbish by the way. Italians, Greeks, Asians, Brits, Slavs and just about every ethnic group have had problems at some point. The difference here is the concerns surrounding recent terrorism problems and the portrayal and hype surrounding them that the media delights in.
Channel 'X' recently showed footage of a muslim youth stating "we will never integrate into Australia". This caused some uproar and was offensive when seen on tv. However, the complete statement was (to the effect of) "we will never integrate into Australia while these barriers exist". He was, in fact, referring to the difficulties of Muslim youths integrating when facing prejudice from "white" Australians. The full interview showed the youth as intelligent and thoughtful, Channel X cut it in a manner that should be a criminal act.
This happens every night, and the focus is on ratings for advertising. There is no responsible reporting here anymore, and it is becoming a problem. The ABC and SBS are better, though they often err too.
Zed,
the word "unfortunate" got me to interpret it in a way that you have made clear is not correct.
Apologies. My mistake.
Mmm, racial intergration, mixed marriage, blending of cultures....OMG where would it all lead us.
Imagine if you will.
Scotsman+Japanese Wife= my maternal Grandad married a good aussie lass(daughter of a prime minister no less:o & 2nd gen immigrant Kiwi) of Anglo extract=my Mum
Scots+Polynesian/Fijian Housekeeper=my Paternal Grandfather married a Irish catholic lass=my "father"
Irish + Anglo + Chinese + Anglo + Scots & some other ringins :) thrown in = SWMBO
SWMBO + Me= our kids, good looking and smart:D no matter what their genetic history, interestingly enough darker skinned than I, but bearing less fijian features than I, no racism in my house, anyway who the hell could we single out for vilification:confused: .
Etnic blending has occurred since man could move from one locale to another, look at the Scots, gee don't they bear a resemblance to the vikings:eek:
The Irish were the UKs' blackfellas', maybe the middle eastern & north african traders played a part there;)
What happens happens it's called life we all will "blend" eventually, I reckon it's great, no great issue to me happened generations ago for our mob, no big deal we're just your average modern Aussie family:cool: .
Nobody is suggesting it's a bad thing - but I think it's a bit much suggesting it as a cure for all our problems. All well and good if people want to do it - but what if they don't want to inter-marry - what are we going to do then? Force them?
Part of my families culture was to burn, rape and pillage...............albeit a few generations ago.
I hate the 'culture' explanation for all wrongs done, and I have used this on occassion to make my point.
nah Darren it's cool I never thought you meant it negatively, realised what you where trying to point out, although I do reckon a lot of people including the media & the different governments have never accounted for free will and LOVE, ie; why did in 1938-9 my little convent educated strict catholic upbringing Nan marry a large heathen darkskinned man from the south seas with no future(ha ;) ), against her families & communities' wishes, cause she loved him, and did till the day he died.
I'm sure glad she did, should be more of it.
Nordic Swine!:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Iain
You lot were truly barbaric, not us, we just ate people after a good fight:eek:................apparently:o