Free energy, smoke and mirrors or BS?

It's essentially a version of the Taisnierus Magnetic Engine (invented by Johannes Taisnierus "...continuall motion by the stone Magnes..." in the early 1500's). Even with 500 years worth of research time, it still doesn't work.

In this case frictional losses eventually cause the rotor to stop spinning and stick in one position; the energy required to reset it into a configuration where it spins again is...guess what...greater than the energy it can produce for the period of time when it is spinning. And once you start drawing current from the motor, the rotational speed starts to decrease faster as you have greater losses of energy from the system.

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Originally Posted by doug3030

So without reading the replies that say it can be done how can you contradict them with any authority?

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Noone has ever come up with a perpetuum mobile. It does not exist.

In the case of this video, I bet there is a motor under the table that spins a magnet around. The magician turns it on and off with a footswitch. This field causes the fan blade to rotate, not the handheld magnet. Ant the Led globe has a battery built in.

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Originally Posted by doug3030

So without reading the replies that say it can be done how can you contradict them with any authority?

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<br>Noone has ever come up with a perpetuum mobile. It does not exist.<br><br>In the case of this video, I bet there is a motor under the table that spins a magnet around. The magician turns it on and off with a footswitch. This field causes the fan blade to rotate, not the handheld magnet. Ant the Led globe has a battery built in.

YouTube not only has smoke n mirrors clips but also has vids that show how its done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I3Ly5mBhT4

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Originally Posted by simonl

Energy can nether be created not destroyed, only transferred. Simon

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I agree.
We were taught that energy can only be converted from one form to another.
That was nearly 60 years ago now but Physics may well have changed over that time :D

Here's how the hoax works.. hidden batteries and a reed switch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I3Ly5mBhT4#t=12

I'm curious as to why anyone would bother to go to all the trouble to fake something, he's not selling anything that I could see, maybe he gets some monetization from youtube?

Ray

PS... Whoops already Eskimo beat me to it... I think this is the guy "Roman Richter" http://vk.com/wasabysajado Slovakian? or Russian?

Yes, people do get a small amount from YouTube for everyone who watches their video. So by getting everyone to take a look at the fraudster's video you help him get paid as well as YouTube getting paid for all the banner ads that pop up on the page. Lots of dead electrons there.

I didn't know that you got money for people to your you tube videos!

Welll I'm glad to say I didn't even look at this one as I didn't need to. I knew it must be a load of rubbish without looking it. Would it be analogous to setting up an electric motor to then run a generator that then runs the electric motor?

While two magnets separated by a distance "x" from eachother will have some potential energy stored in that system, once that are brought together and that PE is then harnessed and converted into electrical energy, they are then stuck together or remain at the same distance apart until energy iis brought into the system to remove them apart again. The energy to separate the two magnets would be the same that was "gained" by letting them come together.

No different to an object of mass M being suspended from a rope of height H above the ground. The potential energy stored in the system will be MgxH but once you use or convert that energy by allowing the mass to become closer to the ground, the energy is converted. It's a once off gain of energy. Well actually it's not because the same amount of energy must have been used at some time to get the mass at height H in the first place. Unless of course the mass is actually a tree branch that has been cut off. Then the PE has been gained from solar energy from the sun by the trees growth.

Even tidal energy comes at "some cost" it's not free. The PE from the distance of the earth to the moon from their gravitational field was established billions of years ago in the formation of the sloar system. The harnessing of tidal power by creating a restriction of the water movement by means of a turbine to produce power is not free. It has the effect of bringing the moon and earth just that tiny bit closer to each other.

Nothing ain't worth nothing, but it's free…...

Edit: from the nanosecond that the big bang took place (if you believe that stuff) the amount of energy contained in the universe has remained a constant. Every single joule can be accounted for.

Simon

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Originally Posted by RayG

I'm curious as to why anyone would bother to go to all the trouble to fake something, he's not selling anything that I could see, maybe he gets some monetization from youtube?

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For fun. some of these machines are pretty clever(though it would seem this one is not). Some take some head scratching to say why they wont work(other the the big one of course lol). One of my favorites is a modified Heron's Fountain in the second half of this video, which can work* without a hidden pump........ but how? of course you must add energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv9JrnnZkLA

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Originally Posted by simonl

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It has the effect of bringing the moon and earth just that tiny bit closer to each other.

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ummm If by that you mean "the moon wont be moving away from us as fast" then Yes ;)

Stuart

*for a short time, I'm not saying its perpetual motion.... but it will look like it

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Originally Posted by simonl

Edit: from the nanosecond that the big bang took place (if you believe that stuff) the amount of energy contained in the universe has remained a constant. Every single joule can be accounted for.

Simon

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Judging by my last bill, they're mostly going through my electricity meter ...

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Originally Posted by snowyskiesau

Judging by my last bill, they're mostly going through my electricity meter ...

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I have that problem, and I meticulously give them back every single electron they send me. :D

The free energy crowd are big on zero-point energy and dark energy, there's enough unknown stuff around the edges to provide a place for scammers to eke out a living.

Ray

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Originally Posted by Stustoys

For fun. some of these machines are pretty clever(though it would seem this one is not). Some take some head scratching to say why they wont work(other the the big one of course lol). One of my favorites is a modified Heron's Fountain in the second half of this video, which can work* without a hidden pump........ but how? of course you must add energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv9JrnnZkLA


ummm If by that you mean "the moon wont be moving away from us as fast" then Yes ;)

Stuart

*for a short time, I'm not saying its perpetual motion.... but it will look like it

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Yes, I should have just said that it influences the moons distance from the earth. I didn't realise that the moon was actually moving away from the earth at a rate of 3.8cm per year! :doh: Enough tidal power might bring it back!

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Originally Posted by RayG

I have that problem, and I meticulously give them back every single electron they send me. :D

The free energy crowd are big on zero-point energy and dark energy, there's enough unknown stuff around the edges to provide a place for scammers to eke out a living.

Ray

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I know! They don't sell us power, they hire out electrons!

Simon

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Originally Posted by RayG

I have that problem, and I meticulously give them back every single electron they send me. :D

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The drift speed of free electrons in copper carrying about 10A is <mm/sec.
That means at 50Hz AC the electrons are moving at most<20 microns one way and then <20 microns the other.
In effect the electrons move 3/5ths of FA.

What it means is we are paying for the freight cost to shuffle them back and forth. They must be heavy.:D

Dean