Not quite sure what you are trying to say here. So a China Air plane departed from Brisbane this morning.....and.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
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Not quite sure what you are trying to say here. So a China Air plane departed from Brisbane this morning.....and.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
aeroplane *Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
Jelly anyone ??Quote:
Originally Posted by doug3030
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OK here we are 3 days further on again, and we are "bang on target" with 1200 and something cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
What this means is the changes made 2 weeks ago made SFA difference
Again, changes made TODAY (not next Tuesday) will take about 2 weeks to see any effects , so by then we will be at ~38000 cases.
Only when the doubling rate starts to increase will we know if we have any sort of a handle on this this.
We've been lucky with deaths but that's likely to change dramatically especially if we get into "medical over run" territory.
It reminds me of a couple of dudes driving down a high way at 100 kph with an open pizza between the front seats. Not far down the road there's an explosion and a fire ball erupts. The choice is stomp on the brakes, let the open pizza meet is fate on the floor of the car, and check it out from a distance, or tap lightly on the brake and hope to stop in time before they all entering the fireball.
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Finally it looks like some of the states are doing something bit more drastic.
But ideally it should have been done a couple of weeks ago
The airline is China Air. The vehicle is an aeroplane, aircraft....or a plane. So the picture is of a China Air plane. :;
Sometimes petty point scoring just backfires eh?
Unfortunately, the reduction in NO2 over China was short lived and is now on the way back up as they to reduce the sanctions and ramp production back up.
Satellite data show resurgence in NO2 emissions over China - Green Car Congress
Just heard through the grapevine, so take it for what it’s worth, that NSW is not only shutting down non essentials but also shutting down ALL schools.
Guess we’ll find out more tomorrow.
BTW BobL, the Govt web site lists 1098 as at 6am this morning. With 224 new cases since 6am yesterday, I guess we’ll hit the 1200 by tomorrow morning.
Have heard unsubstantiated rumors that Victoria will be shutting down all non-essential travel too, I guess that would include schools too. We will have to wait for the announcement too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
AFL suspended till May 31.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
WA closing border to non-essential travel but with SA and NT doing it WA has little choice.
Rottnest Island to be looked at as a WA quarantine station for those unable to or not properly quaranteening.
The state premiers are meeting tonight to decided on schools, if no general shutdown the Vic will also shut schools on Tuesday.
I think they might try and coordinate a general nation wide shutdown.
Hardly Brett, come in spinner again. I was just testing if you would ignore me as you said you would in your private message after your childish behavior in the Katoomba thread. You may have me blocked and picked this up when Ian quoted me but you sure as hell aren't living up to your promise of ignoring me.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
bit more formal than the grapevine NSW, Victoria move to comprehensive shutdown of non-essential services amid coronavirus pandemic - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
The NSW and Victorian Governments will proceed to a more comprehensive shutdown of non-essential services over the next 48 hours in attempt to slow the spread of coronavirus.
Supermarkets, petrol stations, pharmacies, convenience stores, freight and logistics, and home delivery will be among the many services that will remain open.
Schools in both states will also be open on Monday, but in Victoria school holidays will be brought forward to start on Tuesday.
Both Victoria and NSW were planning to push for lock downs at tonight's National Cabinet meeting, but NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews made clear that their states would be pursuing these more drastic measures.
Key points:
- The shutdowns in Victoria and NSW will not effect supermarkets, pharmacies and banks
- Victoria will bring forward school holidays to begin on Tuesday
- The Government will also consider locking down COVID-19 "red zones", as has been done in Wuhan and parts of Europe
Looks like NSW and Victoria are finally getting their "act" together.
BTW, I now expect that NSW schools will be closed from Wednesday at the latest. Three weeks earlier than scheduled.
My impression is that the government's resistance to shutting the schools is primarily based on economics and logistics. By that I mean that with so many families having two working parents, there was supposedly nobody at home to look after them. This might not be so true as the nation is progressively encouraged to work from home where possible or one parent is stood down. It was also a rather weak and futile attempt to keep the economy rolling.
Certainly the reasoning does not really stack up compared to the actions in other comparable countries. Apart from the clearly invidious predicament in which it places teachers, it may be that children are carriers without displaying noticeable symptoms. If this were the case it would cause a very significant escalation of the chance of infection. It would be like releasing a bomb of the virus onto an unsuspecting adult public.
Just as an aside, I was introduced to a neighbour today and immediately shook hands. Such is the force of habit and I did not even realise what I had done until after he had left. :doh:
Regards
Paul
Not to downplay any of this (and I agree, a lot should have been done a lot sooner - look at Taiwan for a stellar example of how to get on top of this sort of thing and minimise the spread of the disease).Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
However, the stats are very scant on detail & are really being misreported, or maybe that's misrepresented.
Rate of detection is NOT likely to be the same as rate of infection. As the testing ramps up the number of reported infections will rise. We just don't know what the level of infection was in the country before testing started. So numbers infected are likely to be higher than the reported cases (as we have not tested everyone) but the rate of spread could well be slower than the reported stats indicate. (Of course it could be higher) I have not seem any figures of the number of tests actually carried out, and what sampling techniques were used. I suspect that the population samples are biased toward those at risk (e.g. travellers who were at high risk of being infected) or those with symptoms. If so this will skew results lead to a perception of higher that actual rates.
Then we have the political vested interests - who actually believes Kim Jon-Un and assertions of the lack of infections in DPRK, or the figures coming out of Iran, or even the recent figures from China?
Statistical biases seem to be running unchecked, and people (particularly media) seem to be too intent on drawing sweeping conclusions from insufficient data.
No, don't believe any of the three, but I would think that China would be right in there helping DPRK given that they have workers going in to China.Quote:
Originally Posted by RossM
Well I certainly hope you didn't do this => :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmiller
I am facetious. Yeah that means "cracking a joke when TSHTF".... its serious, but you have to have a laugh.
... screen grabs off Reddit today :)
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Ian.
The earlier talk from Gladys (news reports about 2:30pm) was she was considering the closing down of schools in ”hot zones”, not a total close down of schools State wide.
I’ll wait for her to actually say it, or receive an email from my manager, before I believe any news source.
Hence my “ for what it’s worth” statement.
Some testing data here How many tests for COVID-19 are being performed around the world? - Our World in DataQuote:
Originally Posted by RossM
Australia is third in the world for tests per million people (4400, 0.4%) Korea has 0.6% but they have much better tracking than most other countries I'm not particularly concerned if its 50% or even 2X slower or faster, whatever it is it's too fast for ordinary committee speed decision making.
The only place where the entire population of a sealed off town/community has been continually monitored is the Italian/venetian Town of Vo with about 3000 people. A complete survey a few weeks back found 3% were infected and thus isolated. A second round of testing found 0.4% infected and those where then isolated. The third round found 0.1% infected and isolated. They believe they now have everyone affected in quarantine. It's now called the safest town in Italy.
Triped over this just now.
It may be useful - Deaconess - How to make a Face Mask
The pattern as is similar to what SWMBO is following.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodPixel
Here is an example SWMBO whipped up this morning.
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She can't sew more than one at a time much as she has really bad vertigo (she's had it for 6 weeks, can't you see the stunned mullet look on her face) and has to have a lie down in between making each mask
My contribution was to cut the thin Al strips for the nose bridge.
These elastic SWMBO has used on these masks don't work on me as my ears are like our younger Border Collies ears ie too floppy!
So she has made me a custom mask with softer elastic that doesn't pull past my ears.
I also have an almost full box of medical masks we bought 6 months ago for cleaning out the MILs plACE.
Things must be pretty grim as the Governor of New York has appealed to the public for any available face masks for use by state medical staff.
My prediction is schools will close next week.
On a lighter note and apologies to Slim Dusty,...."The pub has plenty beer but no drinkers"
Talking about bombs waiting to go off try this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmiller
My DIL is an instrumental music teacher in a primary school - instruments of particular concern are brass/woodwind which like all instruments the kids have to share across classes. ie copious loads of body fluids involved. She is terrified about this and has been told in no uncertain terms that she has to continue carrying out the designated term program until told otherwise. With careful use she's been going through about 2L of cleaner spray and a litre of hand sanitizer a week and is about to run out of sanitizer but there is no more available. My son made a litre today but that won't last long and the school holidays here in WA are 3 weeks away.
As for the other PMs decisions, again, too little, too late, too slow.
Hunker down folks it's going to be a rough ride.
Interesting possibly even sensible move by GB in NSWQuote:
Originally Posted by rwbuild
NSW schools stay open but parents urged to keep children at home to contain spread of coronavirus - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Meanwhile here's an Italian Mayor offloading - keep watching to see how frustrated he gets.
https://youtu.be/lYTIEcZFsz8
Don't laugh too hard our fellow citizens are no better, witness Bondi on the weekend.
There's an even more emphatic and expletive ladened video appeal by a bunch of Italian mayors on Twitter but it probably wouldn't pass the forum censors so decided not to post it here.
Brilliant. Italian is the perfect language for this rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
Here is my daughter going to work (she is a mental health care person (psych and physical)).....
This street is packed by 8am.
Sponging public servants clag the local suburbs all day rather than pay $3 for parking.
Today... nobody.
Day One and they are all off. This is a group that doesn't need to be told twice!
Now MyGov has crashed.
We are off to a gooooooddddd start Australia.....
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Yep - maybe not nearly enough hand movements and gestures - he must be a northern Italian :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
what? wipe his nose?Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
This might be useful to someone.
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A friend of a friend works as a teacher in China. He was ordered to leave three or four weeks ago when all this hit the fan. Three days ago he was asked to return. He reports business as usual, all the shops are open and people are just carrying on as per normal. He is back in his old teaching position.
I thought that was worth passing on as it came directly from him, not a "news agency".
China is going to be very interesting to watch. They've restricted spread to around 80K case, out of a population of 1.4 billion. That's an awful lot of uninfected, non-immune people. What happens next will inform the rest of the world as to what happens when you start allowing your population to move again. The risk is a 2nd wave of infection.
It'll give us an idea of just how long we will have to deal with the effects of the virus. If China gets another rush as people move about, it'll indicate much longer lock downs across the world, and even more economic disruption. If they can control it though, there's a glimmer of hope (although non-totalitarian governments aren't quite as able to tell people what to do for prolonged periods of time).
I could be lucky!
I found out today that one of the drugs being tested as an antiviral for COVID19 is hydroxychloroquine and I've been on this stuff for nearly 12 months. It's normally sold as "Plaquenil" for use by arthritis sufferers, but I'm taking it for Sarcoidosis and Hypercalcemia.
It has a number of potential side effects including;
- headache, dizziness, ringing in your ears;
- nausea, vomiting, stomach pain;
- loss of appetite, weight loss;
- mood changes, feeling nervous or irritable;
- skin rash or itching; or.
- hair loss
- sensitivity to sunlight and colourblindness.
To assess these side effects I was started off at a low dose and had to get eye tests and then the dose was built up. Fortunately I don't appear to have any significant effects so am currently taking half the max permissible daily dose and could take more if needed.
BUT
Please don't go out and get your doctor to prescribe it as it's still unproven in treating COVID19 and I need it for my existing conditions. It also really dangerous for anyone like me taking this drug to suddenly stop taking it, so please don't put me through this.
The Trumpwit has been on about that for the last 3-4 days and Dr Anthony Fauci has been gently pushing back against it. Melatonia says he has "a good feeling about it" based on the wind direction at the time, but Fauci says trials are still some way off for results. Apparently the Chinese doctors have been having what they think may some success.
I must watch too much Trumpwit (which all came out of the more peachy circumstances) :D
Apparently for Rheumatoid Arthuritis, not Osteo. I take meloxicam for OA which is an anti-inflammatory, and which unfortunately would be useless agin Covfefe 19.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
Well sheeyit, this just popped up in the news, so no need to worry Bob:Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
Malaria and arthritis drugs touted as potential coronavirus 'cure', triggering pharmacy rush - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
I haven't read it yet but how can doctors prescribe it for people who don't have RA or any of Bob's Comorbid 19s?
Bern?
Btw, this has all come from the Trumpwit's completely ill-educated remarks over the last few days. What a Trumpwit the man is.
Fauci has to push back on anything in this space, if he gives anything a shred of credence it will sell out faster than toilet paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
The hydroxychloroquine info is based on a non-randomised study with 9 people. There's no RCT evidence, and no info on dose or timing. It does hurt the virus in a petri dish. Current use/dose is purely sucking of the thumb.
There are a number of clinical trials of various drugs that have been effective against other viruses rapidly getting underway, but at the moment all the drugs we're using are based on anecdotal evidence.
So leave the stuff for people that we know need it - like Bob. Then, if it proves effective, you'll get it if you need it.
Chloroquine is a very old anti-malarial drug which has been found to be effective for arthritics. I remember working on Chloroquine and Pyramethamine for a UNICEF contract in 1967. It has been found to be effective against COVID 19 but in vitro only. By the time full clinical trials are complete, this pandemic may only be a memory. It may cause arrhythmia if prescribed with incompatible medications. It always worries me that doctors only do a short course in pharmacology leaving pharmacists to raise the alarm.
I hope it works for you, Bob.
mick
It looks like there are 6 trials being set up for Hydroxychloroquine
3 trails are are recruiting; Korea (Mild COVID19), China (pneumonia/COVO19) and USA; and 3 are not even at the recruiting stage
Search of: Hydroxychloroquine | SARS-CoV-2 - List Results - ClinicalTrials.gov
And arrhythmia is no fun at all. From age 16 to early 40s I had Wolf Parkinson White Syndrome which is an extra nerve channel down the back of the heart - would short circuit every now and then starting off with Ventricular tachycardia that morphed into Atrial fibrillation for up to 18 hours or so (it might be AF to VT...it's a distant memory now). Completely debilitating when it happens. (I had it radio ablated in three sessions).Quote:
Originally Posted by Glider
Even now I get very regular ectopic heartbeats, although I suspect everyone does but are just not as finely attuned to it as I became (through paranoia :U.
It's funny how these old drugs pop up in the news. Pyramethamine (Daraprim) was the drug which American fund manager Martin Shrekli controlled and then jacked up the price by >1000% leaving a lot of people unable to afford their medication. He was subsequently jailed after becoming the most hated man in the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glider
mick
It's great to see a .gov link being quoted. Elder daughter's specialty in education is teaching teachers how to instruct pupils on how to search the internet effectively. For years students have been supplied with laptops having no idea on how to use them properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
Apart from apprising me about Google Scholar, the best hint she gave me was to add .gov .edu to any serious question I wanted answered on the internet. It filters all the crap, wikis etc, and generally provides valid information.
mick ;)