I would say that the biggest contributor to the rubber is the number of undiagnosed cases where people have no symptoms at all - so don't get tested or counted as a stat. I'll wager that might just be the vast majority of cases.
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I would say that the biggest contributor to the rubber is the number of undiagnosed cases where people have no symptoms at all - so don't get tested or counted as a stat. I'll wager that might just be the vast majority of cases.
Well yes, but that's hardly anything new! :D They've had serious issues for decades if not hundreds of years, but things got REALLY serious in November 2016, and superserious (and supercilious) From Jan 20th 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
so so trueQuote:
Originally Posted by BobL
Interesting article on South Korea’s response to the virus.
They DID NOT lock down which is interesting
South Korea's coronavirus lessons: Quick, easy tests; monitoring | News | Al Jazeera
The interesting part for me was, apart from the mass testing and the regular updates by SMS, was the fact they GPS tracked people who where supposed to be self isolating.
I always wondered how many travellers, coming to Australia or returning, actually self isolated for 2 weeks.
Not good news this morning. US infections have escalated with DT doing an about face now calling Covid-19 the Chinese flu instead of praising their actions as he did a while ago.Does this mean he has two feces (sorry that should read two faces). Australia's infection rate has done a dramatic jump.
I heard Norman Swan on Radio National yesterday and he had an interesting take on the biphasing aspect (re-infection). He thought that the instances may not be correct and in fact may be the result of incorrect testing resulting in a false negative at the end of the illness. Let's hope he is right as it is a faint glimmer of good news in a sea of despair.
Stay healthy.
Regards
Paul
Not trying to defend DT ( that would not be an easy task) , but apparently he only started calling it the Chinese flu after a high official in China accused US soldiers of spreading the virus from China to the world.. very childish but that DT!
I have had two situations this week which are a direct result of the virus.
We have disposable gloves for the students and staff at work. We put an order in for more plus hand sanitiser on Monday.
Rang up to check the order. Both items are in short supply (obviously) - 3 to 4 weeks minimum and probably 8 weeks or more.
my SIL had a bus driver traineeship with State Transit in Sydney. A two year traineeship with full time work and he would get a Cert III at the end. 20 months in, Light Rail was nearing completion and he and the other 20 trainees were put off. Couldn’t find another job in Sydney driving buses or trucks - he applied for every job that came up but they were few and far between.
He found a job in Newcastle driving buses, casual, so he and my daughter packed their bags and moved up. He was getting about 30 hours a week and my daughter got a job in a flower distribution centre - all good. Casual work started to get less (school holidays, less winery tours, less weddings) and the hours dropped dramatically. He found another job with a large bus company. Still casual but 35 hours a week. Loves it.
Daughter’s job now starts to get reduced hours due to flower sales rapidly dropping. Work drops to two and then one day a week if that. Large weddings now small, large corporate events called off due to crowd number restrictions.
SIL gets the call on Thursday - bus company is going to skeleton staff as passenger numbers have dropped dramatically as events, old folks outings etc. etc have been cancelled. “Go home and wait for a phone call”
Interesting times.
I first hear DT call COVID19 the "Chinese Virus" back in early Feb, then for a while he praised China for doing a good job, now it's out of control in the US he's back to China blame. Inconsistency? what else would we expect from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
Korea didn't lock down but they did limit people movement between some regions. Their real smart moves were mass testing, public awareness and sophisticated tracking from the outset. Taiwan which had daily direct flights direct from Wuhan only has 100 cases. We don't hear about much about them, especially the;
Taiwan Is Beating the Coronavirus. Can the US Do the Same? | WIREDQuote:
technologically intrusive surveillance-state aspects of Taiwan’s response—notably, its real-time integration of national health care databases with customs and travel records and its use of government-issued cell phones to remotely monitor quarantine orders—we keep seeing the culturally embedded assumption that East Asian-style state social control just won’t fly in the good old, individualist, government-wary, freedom-loving United States.
Interesting comparison between the organised, educated response of the Taiwan and the US (lets go buy some guns) in that article.
Final paragraph
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If there is any silver lining here, it’s that the disaster now upon us is of such immense scope that it could finally expose the folly of the structural forces that have been wreaking sustained havoc on American governmental institutions. So maybe we are finally about to learn that competence matters, that educated leaders are a virtue, and that telling the truth is a responsibility.
Well I reckon that the Chinese DID invent the virus, and for the benefit of the world. The Impeachment failed because the Publicans have got no ticker (as it was always going to), so the next best way to rid the world of DT is to prove his incompetence once and for all beyond anyone's doubt - put out a pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
With a bit of luck it will make him 100% unre-electable.
:D
(Black face and Brown face are not acceptable, but I would dearly love to see Biden wearing Orange Face with White Eyes to the first debate in September)
I've read a number of articles this morning purporting to quote Italian government studies that show 99% of the fatalities in italy have been "old" (average age 79.5) people with pre-existing medical conditions (serious chronic diseases). While this isn't necessarily good news for "us" (many of whom might fall into this category) it's certainly encouraging for the rest of the population and the situation as a whole.
I know the Internet is awash with BS but it would be nice to think this one is true.
FYI, I had a talk with my son - he's a grunt at the local IGA.
To the facts and rumour control! ....
-- There is no shortage of anything. It is all just logistics.
-- They've put up a sign at the TP, paper towels, etc, that to enquire at the counter and you can get a pack.
-- There is more than enough for everybody*
For the last three days, they've been unpacking 13 pallets of stuff each day. Things are literally being taken off the shelf as they're put up. The store has had more turnover in three days than the prior 4 weeks. It is not a small or slow store!
On meat, there is plenty. Unfortunately everyone seems to be grabbing enough for the End Of Days. They sold two weeks worth of meat in a single day. They were rescued by a local butcher who had his grunts slaving on a huge delivery. Its going out today, so it will be interesting what happens.
An offer**, to those who are truly rock-hard-place.... if I can organise anything for you, I can do so. I can box it and send it to you, via my excellent low cost couriers, at cost and no markup. Just pop me a message. I can't be a shopping service, but I can get those stuck in their caves a bit of help.
EDIT 11am Friday- I messaged the IGA and they said this offer is ABSOLUTELY FINE. All good to go. Just let me know and I'll do what I can.
* Reminds me of something that was told to me by somebody, a long time ago, who was obscenely rich... "There is more than enough for everyone, but not enough for some."
** Today is Friday 20th March. IM, email or Telegram is fine. I'll do what I can, but I can't offer ANY guarantees.
!!! Of course, this is contingent on the forum being OK with it too......
Todays load in the coolroom!.....
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Yes he called it the Chinese virus earlier but he started calling it the Chinese flu recently in response to a Chinese blaming US soldiers, according to reports last week.
i wouldn’t be surprised if it was manufactured by China. Did you read/hear the talk by Bronwyn Bishop on the virus? Probably went a tiny bit too far:D
The statistics depend on accurate reporting. Inaccurate reporting may result from lack of resources, overwhelming cases, mistakes, deliberate mis-reporting and "political intervention." With that last one I am sceptical that the Chinese have no more reported deaths for example. I suspect the American situation is much worse than they are letting on, because being in denial, thanks a bundle Don, there are very ill-prepared.
It is indeed the elderly and the "infirm' who are most at risk: Probably it is not a cause for complacency.
Interesting that while in Australia we have some food shortages and also the infamous toilet rolls shortage to the extent we are limiting purchases to one packet, in America in addition to these items they are starting to limit the issue of ammunition to one or two boxes. Gun sales are also experiencing a rapid rise. The good news there is that they are holding prices down to pre covid-19 prices. :rolleyes:
Gun sales rise as coronavirus fears trigger personal safety concerns
Perhaps they should consider diverting a little of that money to test kits.
Regards
Paul
That's only because he's such a dolt that he can't get it, or anything else, right twice in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
To extend on what many have felt to be true - here are some facts about who are slain by this beast --> Bloomberg -99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
snippet:
"The new study could provide insight into why Italy's death rate, at about 8% of total infected people, is higher than in other countries. The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country's coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions. More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease."
It is just SO easy to see how the USA could descend into anarchy. EveryQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmiller
manredneck for themselves.
Nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
Plus it actually takes time to reprogram Centrelink's computers to make such a one-off payment.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
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Originally Posted by Tccp123
Don't be ridiculous. Bob's too smart.
Well here is Trump's racism on display. This is from his press conference Thursday 19th March. Firstly, note the size of the font so that Dummy Donny can (at least try to) read it properly. He has crossed out "corona" and hand written "China" before virus. A premeditated, deliberate and continuing slur from the World Fwit.
Just what we need right now from the leader of the free world. :~
(a very well observed picture by Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post via Getty Images
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Well, that's it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
Only one option available to him.
Hari Kari.
Just a shame it will have to be done in private as the mass gathering inevitably generated by such a spectacle in public would undoubtedly contravene the emergency restrictions. :D
Regards
Paul
It is probably even more complicated than that, FF.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenceFurniture
At the start Wuhan was completely unprepared and their health services were completely overwhelmed. If someone died before they were tested for COVID-19 then they were not counted as a sufferer or a victim. Just another death.
Even now, assuming testing kits are readily available, there are issues with the figures, even in first world countries with good medical facilities. The test kits have an accuracy of between 95 - 98%. This means:
- From 2 to 5% of tests give false negatives, and
- From 2 to 5% of tests give false positives.
Most medical testing has some inaccuracy, the profession is used to adjusting for it, and the outcome is usually OK for the patient. [eg A false negative, the patient does not improve, so gets retested - often after a pile of other tests looking for alternative problems.
They could auction off the job of being his "second" and I reckon Mike Bloomberg would be willing to pay about $50,000,000,000 for it. That could go back into the coffers to help cover costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmiller
(For those who don't know the "second" stands behind the Samurai committing seppuku, ready to whip off his head if he begins to cry out in pain. This saves the dignity of the Samurai from appearing weak to pain.)
Reckon Bloomberg wouldn't take the final swipe either. Just leave him to it. :dev:
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Originally Posted by woodPixel
Has anyone been able to find the Italian source of the Report referred to?
My reason for asking is that Bloomberg is politically to the right of Ghengis Khan and there is always the risk of subconscious editing....
When we lived in the US SWMBO developed strep throat. Now it did not take a rocket scientist to work out it was there, bright red pustules covering the back of her throat. I took her to the doc and they did a test and it came back negative and she was prescribed analgesics. The next day she was worse, so back to the doc, again a test and again negative. We could have gone to another doctor but that would have cost and arm and a leg because our (very expensive) medical insurance restricted up to specific providers. I was waiting in the car with our son and when she came out crying I lost it and stormed in and used a few colourful aussie terms requesting a retest. The receptionist called security and I was escorted off the premises. Two minutes later the receptionist came out to the car park and said she had organised a 3rd test. This time it worked, antibiotics prescribed and it went away.Quote:
Originally Posted by GraemeCook
Was it really intentionally racist or little Donald having a childish moment ( or in his mind a normal moment)?. After all it did come from China and whilst this one didn’t come from Spain, it was still labelled the Spanish Flu and i don’t believe one would call that racist.
I have no love for DT believe me. My sister lives in the States and called DTs’s action on the virus a clusterf$&k.
Yep I read it - its in Italian.Quote:
Originally Posted by GraemeCook
Here is the link https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronav...7_marzo-v2.pdf
There's nothing new in the report, the median age for COVID19 deaths is 84 years old for women and 80 for men, and of those 99% had at least 1 existing health condition. I doubt there would be many 80 year olds that don't have a least one health condition. 18% of all Aussies over 75 have diabetes
The report says it is based on data as of 17/3 but I think its maybe a day or two older than that probably before the docs had in some hospitals to park anyone over 60 needing a ventilator in a corner.
High BP, Diabetes, and heart disease are the primary comorbities.
I have 4 comorbidities, 2 of these are rare so that's why they don't feature on the list.
Only 17 of the 2000 odd deaths were less than 50 and they all had at least one pre-existing health condition.
I can extract the list of comorbidities if anyone is interested
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Originally Posted by Bushmiller
Or will the FWIC think its a Chinese plot ????
On my trip to London to see my Granddaughters four years ago I got a really sore throat with neck glands up. Went to the hospital, showed my passport and was ushered to a waiting room which was chock a block. Interesting experience from people crying to those projectile vomiting, to those talking to imaginary friends to those assaulting others with the police coming in and taking one away in handcuffs - better than prime time TV :D
Anyways, about three hours later I got to see a nurse who did a preliminary examination and then I was sent out to wait. Two hours later I saw the doctor who examined me and I got a script for antibiotics. Next day, I went back to the hospital, waited in a queue at the pharmacy for an hour, showed my passport and script and got the antibiotics. Drugs prescribed st the hospital can only be picked up from their pharmacy.
The difference is that that was then (100 years ago) and this is now, and we are much less tolerant of racism these days. Furthermore, the Chinese have stated that they find it offensive, and Chinese Americans have said they are coming under fire because of the stigma that Trump is giving them. Also, Chinese people have been subjected to racism in every country that they are present in (almost all of the world) whereas the Spanish have copped it in England and....anywhere else? I don't think they are too popular in South America, but I doubt it's full on racism (a bit like Poms in Oz :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
That should be enough for him to stop, apart from the fact that he has been advised to, but no, Dummy Donny has to keep inflaming the situation for some perceived advantage. He knows full well that it upsets the Chinese, so he deliberately continues to do it, to purposely inflame the situation. Same shight that is coming from Jair Bolsonaro's son.
Just because some idiot Chinese official suggests it was brought in by the USA military in October doesn't mean that the discussion has to descend into the gutter, but of course we are talking about the worst, most childish brat of a POTUS ever, with whom discussions don't descend into the gutter, they just stay there.
A great quote in the Guardian blog was "The President is continually trying to appear Churchillian, but at every turn he looks more and more like...Donald Trump."
This is a very interesting read from David Lipsom on Trump's wild change of course:
Coronavirus has finally spooked Donald Trump. Here's what changed his mind - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
There are a couple of short vids in there and both are worth a look, particularly the first one (Washington Post) showing all the Fox News presenters changing their tune dramatically within a week.
Note that it's from ABC News before you click on it and give those damned lefties another little bit of oxygen.....
Just announced:
- Tenants will be protected
"Relief can be provided for tenants in both commercial tenancies and residential tenancies, to ensure that in hardship conditions, there will be relief that will be available, and ensuring that tenancy legislation is protecting those tenants over the next six months at least."
Know what? I really couldn't care less what happens to the USA.
They have chosen their course. Their leadership. Their medical system and their brand of Capitalism.
I'm utterly, completely, fulsomely and totally sick to death of hearing about them and the toxic farce their leadership is.
That squeeky wheel, nay - rattling worn-down greaseless bearing - is about to seize up in a catastrophic financial failure that will look like Betelgeuse going supernova. Its game over for the USA. The end. Sayonara and good riddance.
What I AM interested in is everyone else. How the reasoned, rational, compassionate and wise are dealing with the worlds new woe and what positive outcomes we might experience because of it.
Will we be more tolerant of other countries and their cultural foibles? See people for what they are - interesting, intelligent, storied and historied?
Will we finally realise that fixation on financialisation has destroyed the world? Debt? Ridiculous over-governance and bureaucracy being, well, completely unnecessary?
I'm hoping that with a few months holed up that the nerds of the world create new tools for communicating and connecting with each other! I'm seeing amazing things occur - sharing, information, community, video conferencing, chats with distant grandparents.
This, might, remind us we are humans.... not taxable entities and debt repayment robots.
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If we heal and go back to more of the same.... what have we achieved?
WP, I think you forgot to add:
:ranton:
Now technically, you are supposed to then finish with
:rantoff:
but maybe it might be easier to leave it open? :D
New social distancing rule is "4m^2" per person.
that work with AFL or NRL?
Table for 4 at a restaurant will occupy 16m^2?
Pub bar ?
Urinal?
Checkout line?
Bus queue?
Bus or train?
Just received a SMS from my sister who lives in California.
”...We are sheltering ( the term used instead of lock down) it was first a county recommendation and then an order - the governor just extended it to include all of CALIFORNIA. .....”
Read that as well but we had the State Health Minister in the TV an hour ago, due to the new cruise ship problem, and he said make sure you keep a distance if 1.5m between yourself and others. So, 1.5 to the left and 1.5 to the right and same front and back equates to 9 square metres? Wish they would consult with each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
That works on my calculator too. If you can get your back to the wall the area could be reduced, but that did not work out well at The Alamo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lappa
Regards
Paul
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Originally Posted by BobL
Be interesting to see how they handle social distancing in the rugby scrums.
For those who live in the southern states and are not familiar with rugby terms, a scrum is when one guy tries to ram three guys heads up two guys .......
GraemeQuote:
Originally Posted by GraemeCook
That would have to come under essential "services."
Regards
Paul
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Who gives a rat's tossbag what happens in the so called "good old US of A"Quote:
Originally Posted by woodPixel
This thread would be better if we ignore them and concentrate on what's really happening with the Corona virus in the normal world.
Peter.