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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

I had no idea that I'd get an idiot letting a nine year old fire a weapon he couldn't control. This is the mentality we can't understand devnull.

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And I'd be willing to bet good money that this sort of attitude is rife in the USA. I wonder what that father would think if he lost his child at Sandy Hook (or had had an accident with that STUPID BLOODY GUN!!!!

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

Can someone tell me why these weapons are allowed to be owned by civilians

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Anything that can fire multiple rounds with one trigger pull i.e. full auto or automatic bursts, needs a special licence from the federal govt.
Something that many fail to mention unfortunately.

A couple of years ago, a gun malfunctioned on a range & fired multiple rounds. The owner was successfully prosecuted and sentenced to 30 months.
Things are not quite as loose as youtube would have us believe :wink:
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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

I didn't go looking for these videos in particular Paul, I just typed in assault weapons in the youtube search window and chose a few at random. I had no idea that I'd get an idiot letting a nine year old fire a weapon he couldn't control. This is the mentality we can't understand devnull.

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I'd agree with you on that one.
I'd never hand a firearm like that to a 9yo either.

Don't know if any of you blokes have had a look at what's involved in owning a full auto weapon over there, so thought I'd add a link
I want a batf class 3? - Yahoo! Answers

Not quite as simple as you'd think.

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Originally Posted by jimbur

From what I've read they are de-rated but the kits to change them back are legally sold.

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Thanks Jim

I suppose it comes to the same thing really. How many people buy a weapon such as these intending to keep it the condition as sold. I would think they buy them knowing they are going to convert them to rapid fire. It would be interesting to see some figures on kits sold relative to these guns.

It's a bit like Harleys. There are all sold with mufflers that make them whisper quiet, but the majority of owners knock out the baffles and they become a raucous motorcycle.

One other thing is that if I was a gun lobby, I would be doing my utmost to keep publicity videos such as Grumpy has shown right under wraps. I guess this is their level of intelligence and arrogance.

Regards
Paul

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Originally Posted by devnull

I'd agree with you on that one.
I'd never hand a firearm like that to a 9yo either.

Don't know if any of you blokes have had a look at what's involved in owning a full auto weapon over there, so thought I'd add a link
I want a batf class 3? - Yahoo! Answers

Not quite as simple as you'd think.

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I don't care how damn hard it is to own one - people still own them, legally or not. Why the hell would you want to own a weapon like this, please tell me that.

By the way, what sort of weapon would you hand a 9 year old CHILD.

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

I don't care how damn hard it is to own one - people still own them, legally or not. Why the hell would you want to own a weapon like this, please tell me that.

By the way, what sort of weapon would you hand a 9 year old CHILD.

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Cap gun would be a good start :U

Why would you want to own such a weapon? Why do people collect anything? I've known collectors in NZ with much nicer weapons, that had a richer history.
And yes, these were capable of fully automatic fire.

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Originally Posted by devnull

Cap gun would be a good start :U

Why would you want to own such a weapon? Why do people collect anything? I've known collectors in NZ with much nicer weapons, that had a richer history.
And yes, these were capable of fully automatic fire.

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The peace niks would still have kittens about a cap gun. When I was 9 we used to make our own catapults, here and now in the ACT you have to have a gun licence because it can fire a projectile. I think the American gun lot will have as much problem getting their head around that as we do with their gun laws.
Trying not to take sides but the loop holes in both sides of the discussion have me :rotfl: at times.
Regards

Translation: catapult = sling shot

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Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Unbelievable.

It's just for kicks, and that's not a valid reason for then having them available to people who want to kill for kicks.

The nine year old child couldn't properly control the gun either (mainly because he doesn't have enough body mass), and that's just bloody stupid on his father's part.

I just don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

I don't get it either FF.
This is not sport, this is not defending your home. This is macho bullshyte at its worst

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How true!! Trouble is that this mentality seems to have taken hold to some extent with parts of our population too.

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Originally Posted by Grumpy John

I don't care how damn hard it is to own one - people still own them, legally or not. Why the hell would you want to own a weapon like this, please tell me that..

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Precisely GJ!!!

Ya gotta love this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88VNIeNSZo

Hay GJ,
Are you having fun watching all these videos?
That last one raises the hope that the jump in sales is just due to money grabbers thinking they can make an investment and only want to make a financial killing.
Regards

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Originally Posted by A Duke

Hay GJ,
Are you having fun watching all these videos?
Not really :no:. They make me feel ill :puke:.

That last one raises the hope that the jump in sales is just due to money grabbers thinking they can make an investment and only want to make a financial killing.
As long as it's only a financial killing.

Regards

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Those guys are the very definition of "redneck". So many phrases could be quoted, but what stuck out was:

• "guns you need to have"
• "round out your collection"
• "minimum 5 guns required"
• "lethality"
• "deadly"
• "stock up"
• "just buy one every two weeks" !!!!!

and one that kept being repeated over and over:

• "you can make a profit"

and it's this comment that reveals the problem - who the hell will they be sold to at vastly inflated prices? Background checks would be non-existent, and so the assault weapons problem will remain as it is, with nutters having access to them, one way or another.

Those two fools are advocating that people buy as many weapons or parts as they can so that the black market will have plenty of depth if/when a ban comes in.

:aro-u:
I was thinking the exact same thing myself.

I'd give you a "like" on those posts Grumpy, except that it would send a very incorrect message out there.:((