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I don't like to be critical of other people's approach to their own situation in this crisis because I'm in the fortunate position of being retired, and so am able to practice 'social distancing' or even 'self isolation' (or whatever it's called) with little effort (I can just close the door to my workshop). But I gather that some of you others must in the firing line judging by recent comments about Lappa's position.
Am I right?
Bob, as I don't have those ingredients but have about 6 bottles of aged scotch can I diluted them as a hand sanitizer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
If so what ratio would you recommend.
Peter.
Scotch is too dilute, the sanitiser has to be made from close to 100% pure alcohol to which Hydrogen peroxide and Glycerol are added.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sturdee
Heres a link with full instructions
https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_...Production.pdf
Ooooh, Peter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sturdee
I am not whiskey drinker, but I can imagine that such words, as.....dilute.... and ...sanitizer, will have the Celtic SAS from North of Hadrian's Wall heading for Oz as we speak. Of course they won't arrive by aeroplane as there is an embargo on overseas visitors. I am leaning towards illegal boat people. Keep a low profile (lying on your back can assist with this).
Regards
Paul
PS: I trust your health issues are holding up. I can see that you would be in a higher risk category than most.
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Originally Posted by Sturdee
0.05% nightly.
Start at midday, apply every 40 minutes until bed time.
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Originally Posted by Tccp123
Mandatory XKCD
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In the 6+ weeks I’ve been on crutches and in a moon boot I’ve lost 5kg. Apart from wielding the crutches have done zero exercise. I was hoping to claim the shot of grappa with my morning espresso as the curative but I’m now tilting towards simple loss of muscle mass and SWMBO being in charge of portion size!
I'm doing okay as I've been practicing social distancing for a while, however this last week I've had to have more social contact as my wife sprained an ankle ligament and couldn't do any shopping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmiller
This happened on the same day as our wedding anniversary and me hearing that the liver cancer procedures were successful.
Peter.
They were given to me as Christmas presents in the 70's, never liked it that much and now drinking any alcohol is out of the question as it would make the cirrhosis on my liver worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodPixel
Peter.
Swap them on Gumtree for some toilet paper :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sturdee
Bummer about the liver. Tricky things they can be.
look I know that the health systems in Australia are state based, but a graph like that is really particularly unhelpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
NE NSW and SE Queensland are essentially co-joined at Tweed Heads / Coolangatta (heck the terminal at Coolangatta airport is actually in NSW and even I can remember seeing the remnants of the barbed wire fence that used to divide the main street) so it would be much more useful if charts like that were based on sensible regions. Anyone testing positive for the novel coronavirus in between Batemans Bay and the Vic border and at least as far west as Yass will be sent to Canberra Hospital for treatment.
'twould be much more useful if the above graph were based on health regions where the ACT region is included with those bits of NSW that are also treated in Canberra.
I get the face shield being fully deductible, but the ear muffs and helmet ??Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
:D
Earmuffs assures students can’t ask questions. Helmet comes in handy when breaking up student disputes. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ian
I agree, post code would be even better but I doubt the would release those.Quote:
Originally Posted by ian
post code would be too fine grain to be useful. Apart from one or two locations, postcodes reflect the country as it was when the population was half, maybe less than half, what it currently is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
More useful would be data based on the "designated" nearest ICU
BTW
you're up early this morning. Trouble sleeping?
one of my former neighbours, Prof Robert Booy, on why schools should remain open
Sunrise - Prof Robert Booy Answers Coronavirus Questions | Facebook
I had a feeling that might be the answer...Quote:
Originally Posted by woodPixel
Sure, but fine grained data can at least be easily aggregated into whatever patchwork was required.Quote:
Originally Posted by ian
Yep - now that my moon boot has gone the head worms are very active - sorting out projects, working out how to manage things, worried about relatives etc.Quote:
BTW
you're up early this morning. Trouble sleeping?
SWMBO went to the local Woolies yesterday to pick up a couple of day to day items and was amazed, then amused by what she saw. The reason for some of the empty shelves became apparent when she came across one gent with 12 double packs of Tim Tams and about 10 slabs of those 12 pack flavoured yoghurts amongst a myriad of other items. I don't like yoghurt, but I can almost understand the Tim Tams.
Anyway, the amusement came when the guy arrived at the check-out where the attendant told him he could only have 2 of each item and the manager came over and started to remove the excess items! One unhappy customer and heaps of customers congratulating the attendant and manager for bringing a bit of common sense into the process.
Later in the day I went into the local Coles and was amazed to see first hand the number of empty spaces throughout the store. I found everything I wanted but it seems that the shelf stackers are unable to keep up with demand at the moment. On my morning walk this morning, the local IGA seemed to be fully stocked ready for the days trading.
Interesting times, that is for sure.
Alan...
Shed time.
Time for all those projects that have sat in your head for years.
There's a suggestion that camphor may have antiviral properties and the same may (or may not) be for any rainforest timber that has chemicals that deter white ant infestation, red cedar, rosewood, black bean, mackay cedar, silky oak, Qld maple.
It doesn't matter.
You no longer need an excuse, you can now practise social isolation without fear of being thought crazy.
And if you have a dust protection mask all the better, it may become useful elsewhere in the future.
The small of camphor will clear your nose in any event and the best thing is you will no longer be queried as to why you are spending an inordinate time alone in a small shed.
Thanks for relaying what is the first bit of good news we've seen in this post for a while...Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Al
I'm no data scientist and in principle I agree, but you need another set of data to complement the original one, so for example a mapping of postcode to likely-hospital location. Not sure what sources of geo-data are available that might help there, and I certainly wouldn't know where to find itQuote:
Originally Posted by BobL
Hospital location doesn't really matter. What matters is the most common location of the person in the week or so previous to being detected. That way we could see which areas are likely to have unknown spreaders. Then the trackers could focus testing in those area. I'm pretty sure the authorities are already doing this. It would just be interesting to see if there were clusters although it might also unnecessarily frighten some people?Quote:
Originally Posted by poundy
The wife and I did our usual fortnightly shop at Woolworths on Tuesday at Tamworth. I was surprised at a few things.....
*it was mid morning but the whole plaza seemed less busy than usual
*the bread section looked a little "light on" stock
*the fresh meat section was only a fifth of what it usually carries
*fruit and veg was about the usual quantity available
*muesli was about out as well as other cereals
*Chocolate was to its usual quantity
*pasta was nearly gone
*soft drinks and water seemed about right
*NO toilet paper
*UHT milk was down a bit
I just can't get my head around the whole situation here as well as overseas. I am also shocked at the attitude of shoppers who "have to get it all" leaving nothing for the next shopper. What has happened to the Aussie spirit that gives everyone a fair go?
I hope common sense and common dignity are restored soon
Unfortunately I doubt if "the authorities" have the resources to do that sort of tracing. At a minimum it would require access to mobile phone data "hot spots".Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
Also, as far as I know, the GIS tools to do the mapping are not widely known
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Originally Posted by rwbuild
Crown casino is still open.... pfft
sorry I should have trace and inform the exposees. They are doing this where the can but nowhere near as must as they should. They have done some blanket testing around a known affectee in a few small areas in WA. In one case they tested over 300 people and picked up one unknown infection who showed symptoms 2 days later. This is supposedly why they are not blanket testing also because they don’t have enough swabs to do theses sorts of tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by ian
I assume you mean live tracking if so then I agree. A relative of ours works for state health monitoring communicable diseases and he said they have been using some basic home base data maps for some time but they don’t release data while infections are in progress.Quote:
Also, as far as I know, the GIS tools to do the mapping are not widely known
I wonder what the lefties are making of the current situation? We seem to be rapidly approaching their goal of equal wealth distribution (i.e. everyone has about the same).
Somehow I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
Let's say this thing goes into full lockdown for 6 months?
Case A) Someone with no savings, paying rent and no job
Case B) Someone with $10 million in savings/shares etc, (even after losing half on the stock market) and owning their own home, and no job.
Unless B) was a complete loser they're still going to have a lot more than A) after 6 months.
B won't be able to drive around with no purpose, travel, eat out, or buy fancy clobber, anyway so they will have enforced savings.
One minor side benefit of all this I've noticed are the overnight disappearance of TV ads for 3rd Party Travel Services.
So who's the biggest loser? Case A or Case B?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
And I might add that B has probably never driven around with no purpose, eaten out unreasonably or bought fancy clobber. That's typically why these people have $10M.
Case "B" would be crying into his beer that he could hardly go on in life and might yet have to sell his BMW, while case "A" may not be alive to say anything or is residing under the local bridge or the more favoured from that group will be setting up home in their forty year old Holden Kingswood station wagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
It brings back the image I have of a stock broker interviewed on the TV as to what he thought of the new limitations on putting money into super (when they first came in). He said it was just awful. He would be limited to $100,000 per year. The wealthy rarely seem to have any compassion or sensibility for those less well off and seem to be totally self absorbed. They are also among the first to complain if times get tough. Possibly because they have no understanding of what it is like to struggle.
Regards
Paul
I have a relative who is a Case A. She and her husband struggle from one stimulus package to the next. When times are good they enjoy them till the money runs out then they start complaining again till the next likeline arrives. They both drink (a lot), he smokes, they have two mercs (admittedly old ones) and do zip to better their lot except to wait for handouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmiller
In the two cases above, if a limited stimulus package were to become available (but only one) who would you give it to? My relatives or someone who already has some money (because he's lived frugally) and is more likely to invest back into a business that might employ other people and grow?
We may even be seeing that at very close quarters from the "not quite as wealthy as the wealthy but probably quite well off".Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmiller
Then they won't miss these so will have even more savings after 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123
"The wealthy rarely seem to have any compassion or sensibility for those less well off"
Do you honestly believe all those people we've seen assaulting old people in the supermarkets fighting over toilet rolls are "the wealthy"?
Absolutely to your relatives. It's well documented that those who live fortnight to fortnight will spend the money almost immediately on retail, which is what is designed to happen - that's why Govts have done it. Investing back into a business (presumably to make more money for the investor) does not have the same effect, and is certainly not immediate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tccp123